Maura Murray

Aftermath wrote:

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This is the point. WHO "moved on"? The phone call associated with that particular dorm room met with another end-of-road follow-up. No name, no information regarding the individual who had been living in that particular dorm room. Sometimes staff are allowed to use dorm rooms. Often in summer months when students are off campus, those attending conferences on campus are allowed to use dorm rooms. Various colleges and universities have different arrangements. It would seem that given Maura's disappearance and the search for her, it would have been important to determine who lived in the dorm room...the person who had "moved on". The phone records are factual. Maura's father's comment that Maura would have had a lot of places where she could stay in Bartlett, also raises the question why then was she looking for places in Vermont. A previous bf (?) had visited that area of Vermont and may also have attended a conference in that area (Burlington area) in early to mid-Feb 2004. This would be factual information if conference records were examined. The Winter Carnival was also taking place that week of Maura's disappearance. If she opted not to stay in Bartlett...why?

The person who according to LE had "moved on" didn´t phone from a dorm room. At least it was never said s/he did. The "moved on" call was, again according to LE as reported in media, determined to come from an on-campus phone (landline). Are we thinking of two different calls/callers? I´m not trying to argue, just trying to follow your line of thinking. The call I remember being referred to (by LE) as made by someone who had "moved on", was an incoming call to the security desk landline. The phone number was not supposed to be known or used by the general student or staff population, only by UMass security and police. The outgoing call to a dorm room, wasn´t that to a fellow student (female) from whom Maura had borrowed scrubs, clothes or whatever? Am I missing something?

hannah_b wrote:

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I believe one of the few things "clear" about this case is that Maura and Billy had a very volatile relationship. Family admitted from early on there were difficulties because of it being a long distance realtionship. The note on from Billy left on top of the boxes in the dorm was an email discussing him cheating on Maura. We should indeed keep an open mind, but not to the extent we deny the obvious.

The obvious? The "obvious" would be that much debate has taken place as to if any note ever existed. Having a tally of reports of a "note" and from whom.....it appears the note never existed. Note that I use the word "appears." Any note would have possibly cleared up a few questions. A note would have been nice.....

A couple of facts:
The Saturn, registered to FM, was found beside Route 112 in NH the evening of Feb 9, 2004.
MM's cell phone records exist.
All else appears to be hearsay.

Aftermath wrote:

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The obvious? The "obvious" would be that much debate has taken place as to if any note ever existed. Having a tally of reports of a "note" and from whom.....it appears the note never existed. Note that I use the word "appears." Any note would have possibly cleared up a few questions. A note would have been nice.....

All I can say about the reported note (printed email) is that it´s existance was reported in various media sources that were quoting LE. You seem to have other information. Do you mind telling us how it "appears" there was no note? Again, not arguing but trying to keep an open mind.

Aftermath wrote:

A couple of facts:
The Saturn, registered to FM, was found beside Route 112 in NH the evening of Feb 9, 2004.
MM's cell phone records exist.
All else appears to be hearsay.

You´re certainly right in that there are very few facts in this case. Most everything is hearsay, some sources of hearsay more believable than others. Unfortunately we (the public) have only seen tiny bits and pieces from the cell phone records. Do you happen to have acess to more?

Access.... sticky keyes!

hannah_b wrote:

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I believe one of the few things "clear" about this case is that Maura and Billy had a very volatile relationship. Family admitted from early on there were difficulties because of it being a long distance realtionship. The note on from Billy left on top of the boxes in the dorm was an email discussing him cheating on Maura. We should indeed keep an open mind, but not to the extent we deny the obvious.

Hannah I do think you could argue that they had a volatile relationship. Billy had no idea where where MM was going or why. I would think if they were "soul mates" her randomly leaving college one day might come up in conversation. Instead he is on the outside looking in just like everyone else. Of all the people in this story I think I may feel bad for him the most.

Aftermath wrote:

Her father indicated Maura was very familiar with the Bartlett area and yet she was trying to find motel availability in Vermont...GOStowe. If she was planning to stay somewhere for a week, odd she would not have reserved a place in Bartlett. There were many places in Bartlett.

She reportedly also checked for places to stay in the Berkshires. Just hearsay of course. But so is everything else.

WTH-the-original wrote:

I am pretty certain that SBD had a street lamp. What I don't remember is if it was on a pole or mounted on the house but I thought I remember it looked like a street lamp. Too many years ago for me to be positive where/how it was mounted, but I am pretty certain it was there, near the school buses.
Bill

I believe the street lamp was mounted to his garage.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Habs - how would the "car" change the outcome of the case. There's a strong chance she was probably drinking and driving and the car crashed. If the car died due to mechanical failure I could see why he would be upset. If he was going to buy her an SUV then I could see why maybe he would be upset. I don't see any difference in the MM story if you use any make or model sedan.
I can try to see if we can run it through the Jenkins simulation and find out which sedans would have changed the outcome of the case.

Sorry I wasn't clearer. I was referring to how FM felt about not getting Maura the new car the weekend before she disappeared instead of waiting another week. It has nothing to do with it being a Prizm. Quoting FM from the Disappeared episode "It woulda been safe, wish I had bought it that weekend".

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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His yard def had floodlights, it basically had a streetlight that was actually installed by the town to help him back his bus into his driveway, or yard like citi said? I didn't think he had a paved driveway but he had some sort of dirt parking area/driveway thing he wasn't parking his bus on the grass as far as I remember.
Maybe this streetlight installed in his yard wasn't in the street, but it was pretty close to the street and definitely lit up the street enough to where he could've seen somebody walk by if he was watching. She could've slipped by while he was inside but he didn't believe that to be the case, he believed she caught a ride and in all likelihood he was correct. Makes sense.
The wman's def had floodlights at the WB curve, and as for streetlights is there one at the end I BHR or not? I thought there was one right at that intersection but I may be wrong about that. Compared to the rest of 112 that little section is actually fairly well lit, most of even that section is pretty dark but there are some light sources right there.
Bottom line-sbd definitely could have seen someone walking past his house if he was lookin at the right time, easily.
Really makes me wonder why wowzer would come on and say otherwise. She lives right there, can she really think this? It looks to me like she was just blatantly lying for whatever reason but I suppose she could've just been wrong.

there was no light close to the street on SBDs property. there was a light on his property that was close to his house. this area was pitch black except for the lighting in SBDs yard. there was a light on the weather barn but the light was not very good.

WTH-the-original wrote:

I am pretty certain that SBD had a street lamp. What I don't remember is if it was on a pole or mounted on the house but I thought I remember it looked like a street lamp. Too many years ago for me to be positive where/how it was mounted, but I am pretty certain it was there, near the school buses.
Bill

I cant recall whether it was on the house or a pole either. if you are facing SBds property the light was on the left side of his property behind the bus that was always backed in with the front of this bus facing 112.this was the only light on his property

Aftermath wrote:

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This is the point. WHO "moved on"? The phone call associated with that particular dorm room met with another end-of-road follow-up. No name, no information regarding the individual who had been living in that particular dorm room. Sometimes staff are allowed to use dorm rooms. Often in summer months when students are off campus, those attending conferences on campus are allowed to use dorm rooms. Various colleges and universities have different arrangements. It would seem that given Maura's disappearance and the search for her, it would have been important to determine who lived in the dorm room...the person who had "moved on". The phone records are factual. Maura's father's comment that Maura would have had a lot of places where she could stay in Bartlett, also raises the question why then was she looking for places in Vermont. A previous bf (?) had visited that area of Vermont and may also have attended a conference in that area (Burlington area) in early to mid-Feb 2004. This would be factual information if conference records were examined. The Winter Carnival was also taking place that week of Maura's disappearance. If she opted not to stay in Bartlett...why?

Total agreement here with your last line and very important in my opinion.

Aftermath wrote:

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This is the point. WHO "moved on"? The phone call associated with that particular dorm room met with another end-of-road follow-up. No name, no information regarding the individual who had been living in that particular dorm room. Sometimes staff are allowed to use dorm rooms. Often in summer months when students are off campus, those attending conferences on campus are allowed to use dorm rooms. Various colleges and universities have different arrangements. It would seem that given Maura's disappearance and the search for her, it would have been important to determine who lived in the dorm room...the person who had "moved on". The phone records are factual. Maura's father's comment that Maura would have had a lot of places where she could stay in Bartlett, also raises the question why then was she looking for places in Vermont. A previous bf (?) had visited that area of Vermont and may also have attended a conference in that area (Burlington area) in early to mid-Feb 2004. This would be factual information if conference records were examined. The Winter Carnival was also taking place that week of Maura's disappearance. If she opted not to stay in Bartlett...why?

Moved on has been quoted for years.
If someone knows a certain individual moved on, then they must also know which individual moved on. Correct? Otherwise, "moved on" smells of...well, you know...

OKAY wrote:

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Moved on has been quoted for years.
If someone knows a certain individual moved on, then they must also know which individual moved on. Correct? Otherwise, "moved on" smells of...well, you know...

Don´t all students "move on" eventually? Like after graduation?

JMO but here's where I stand at the moment. 60%=Maura was abducted and murdered by someone local. 20%=she was meeting someone and was murdered. 15%=she succumbed to the elements. 5%=the other million theories. As always, just my opinion, and subject to change.

For the sake of the family and everyone here, I am definitely hoping for the 5%.

I would love to hear where everyone else stands.

The whole 'moved on' comment really makes no sense. According to orky they're talking about the girl who's jacket Maura returned the day she went missing.
The whole thing about the moved on comment is if they knew the person moved on, then they knew who the person was. If they knew who the person was then I'm sure they could've gotten ahold of them if they felt the need. Obviously if they thought this person possibly had anything to do with her dissapearance or had any info pertaining to her dissapearance they would've talked to them. That comment to me looks like a lame excuse for not following up on somethIng. I'm sure they had a good reason for not feeling the need to follow up with this person.
To me that whole statement just says that this person obviously has nothing to do with her dissapearance, doesn't know anything about it and LE knew this. One thing we can be sure of is if they thought that was even a remote possibility they would've went through the small amount of effort it would've taken them to get in touch with this person.

To me it appears fairly obvious that whatever was goin on in her life probably has nothing to do with her actual dissapearance other than it was the reason for her going to NH. While it is possible they are related, we can't say anything for certain knowing what we know, it seems pretty unlikely at this point. I give the NHSP & the FBI a little new credit than that. The NHSP obviously aren't the best investigators in the world but they aren't the worst either. I like to think that they would've been able to figure it out if someone she knew from umass killed her. I just find it hard to believe they Would've missed that after all these years and that the FBI would've missed that all those years ago.
I believe that whatever happened to her before the crash really doesn't matter and that's what makes this case so baffling, that's why it's been 9 years and the cops still can't say anything for sure. I think that they have a damn good idea of what happened but until they find her body they can't say for sure, nobody can.

Obviously it is possible someone from her life killed her and slipped through the cracks I just don't think it's likely. Just think how stupid the NHSP would look if it was some new bf of hers that killed her, the FBI too. They would not look like competent investigators I'll tell you that much. Maybe I'm stupid for thinkin this but I give them a little more credit than that.

Btw, not trying to distract or divert from the SBD lighting situation because it is somewhat important in my eyes also.