Maura Murray

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

The whole 'moved on' comment really makes no sense. According to orky they're talking about the girl who's jacket Maura returned the day she went missing.
The whole thing about the moved on comment is if they knew the person moved on, then they knew who the person was. If they knew who the person was then I'm sure they could've gotten ahold of them if they felt the need. Obviously if they thought this person possibly had anything to do with her dissapearance or had any info pertaining to her dissapearance they would've talked to them. That comment to me looks like a lame excuse for not following up on somethIng. I'm sure they had a good reason for not feeling the need to follow up with this person.
To me that whole statement just says that this person obviously has nothing to do with her dissapearance, doesn't know anything about it and LE knew this. One thing we can be sure of is if they thought that was even a remote possibility they would've went through the small amount of effort it would've taken them to get in touch with this person.
To me it appears fairly obvious that whatever was goin on in her life probably has nothing to do with her actual dissapearance other than it was the reason for her going to NH. While it is possible they are related, we can't say anything for certain knowing what we know, it seems pretty unlikely at this point. I give the NHSP & the FBI a little new credit than that. The NHSP obviously aren't the best investigators in the world but they aren't the worst either. I like to think that they would've been able to figure it out if someone she knew from umass killed her. I just find it hard to believe they Would've missed that after all these years and that the FBI would've missed that all those years ago.
I believe that whatever happened to her before the crash really doesn't matter and that's what makes this case so baffling, that's why it's been 9 years and the cops still can't say anything for sure. I think that they have a damn good idea of what happened but until they find her body they can't say for sure, nobody can.
Obviously it is possible someone from her life killed her and slipped through the cracks I just don't think it's likely. Just think how stupid the NHSP would look if it was some new bf of hers that killed her, the FBI too. They would not look like competent investigators I'll tell you that much. Maybe I'm stupid for thinkin this but I give them a little more credit than that.

I agree

Habs wrote:

Btw, not trying to distract or divert from the SBD lighting situation because it is somewhat important in my eyes also.

There was for certain a regular type street light in his yard somewhere.Where it was attached to is really irrelevant. It was not on the street but it illuminated where he parked. I remember this well because it stood out so much.

hannah_b wrote:

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Don´t all students "move on" eventually? Like after graduation?

Again, since this individual has been identified as "moving on", then he/she is known to "move on", and very likely can be located and contacted, regardless of the reason for "moving on".

In another, broader context, one might also "move on" when someone no longer wants contact with someone that has been in one's life.

It's stupid phrasing. Of course we all "move on". But we could just as easily "go back" in time, place, and in our relationshps.

based on citigirl's description in post #28008 above of the location of the bus parked on sbd's property and the light source, and considering it was winter which means less foliage to block his view, and considering he backed his bus in which means he would've been sitting in the bus facing the street, and considering it was a couple days at the most after a full moon with a mostly cloudless night and snow on the ground to reflect light all around, i would give it strong odds that sbd saw something that night from inside his bus that he told LE and never told the public. it would then also be a fairly easy leap of logic to guess that sbd's 911 call is the one-way intercept that is part of the evidence file that has not been made public. that's the way i lean, anyway.

i would love for her to be alive somewhere, but my gut tells me she got into the vehicle of someone she knew or didn't know, and that person was directly responsible for her disappearance. and i don't think that disappearance was willful and i don't think she will come back until she is found and laid to rest. like habs, i too hope that isn't true, but it seems all too likely.

whatif wrote:

based on citigirl's description in post #28008 above of the location of the bus parked on sbd's property and the light source, and considering it was winter which means less foliage to block his view, and considering he backed his bus in which means he would've been sitting in the bus facing the street, and considering it was a couple days at the most after a full moon with a mostly cloudless night and snow on the ground to reflect light all around, i would give it strong odds that sbd saw something that night from inside his bus that he told LE and never told the public. it would then also be a fairly easy leap of logic to guess that sbd's 911 call is the one-way intercept that is part of the evidence file that has not been made public. that's the way i lean, anyway.
i would love for her to be alive somewhere, but my gut tells me she got into the vehicle of someone she knew or didn't know, and that person was directly responsible for her disappearance. and i don't think that disappearance was willful and i don't think she will come back until she is found and laid to rest. like habs, i too hope that isn't true, but it seems all too likely.

Can't really comment on the first part but at this point, without further info, totally agree with second part.

Habs wrote:

I would love to hear where everyone else stands.

Habs ~ With all due respect, been there, done that, all around the table. Jenky provides a nightly update on his views. Not to worry, they appear every other page.
Endless drivel in the form of dead horse beating, windmilling and twirling over 25,576 posts has emerged from intentionally feeding the public misinformation, pure fantasy, bias, personalizing and hyper-fixated obsessions.
Is someone writing another book to refute whatever Renner may reveal? Just wondering.

Not trying to take over the forum but it's rare I have time to post. Just a few questions. 1) Did Maura have automatic deposit from her jobs? 2) Did Maura learn French in high school? 3) Any truth to the nurse receiving enquiry on Vasi, per Beagle? 4) Why do the police consider Kathleen a liar with respect to the phone calls Thurs/Fri a.m.? 5) Why was Maura heading anywhere other than Bartlett? If she was? 6) Who was Maura with on New Years Eve 2003/2004 in Goshen, N.H. at midnight? 7)Sex offenders in Haverhill area with a scanner? And on and on..........

whatif wrote:

based on citigirl's description in post #28008 above of the location of the bus parked on sbd's property and the light source, and considering it was winter which means less foliage to block his view, and considering he backed his bus in which means he would've been sitting in the bus facing the street, and considering it was a couple days at the most after a full moon with a mostly cloudless night and snow on the ground to reflect light all around, i would give it strong odds that sbd saw something that night from inside his bus that he told LE and never told the public. it would then also be a fairly easy leap of logic to guess that sbd's 911 call is the one-way intercept that is part of the evidence file that has not been made public. that's the way i lean, anyway.
i would love for her to be alive somewhere, but my gut tells me she got into the vehicle of someone she knew or didn't know, and that person was directly responsible for her disappearance. and i don't think that disappearance was willful and i don't think she will come back until she is found and laid to rest. like habs, i too hope that isn't true, but it seems all too likely.

there was always another bus parked right off the roadway parallel to 112 with the front off this bus always facing west. Remeber SBD went into his house and then on his front porch before going to his bus. He never stated how long he was in his house.

Habs here is another to ponder

How did Maura get the phone number for the Salamones and how do we know she called about condos if Mrs salamone doesn't recall the conversation?

I don't remember a search of Bartlett being mentioned. I might be wrong. I just don't recall it.

OKAY wrote:

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Habs ~ With all due respect, been there, done that, all around the table. Jenky provides a nightly update on his views. Not to worry, they appear every other page.
Endless drivel in the form of dead horse beating, windmilling and twirling over 25,576 posts has emerged from intentionally feeding the public misinformation, pure fantasy, bias, personalizing and hyper-fixated obsessions.
Is someone writing another book to refute whatever Renner may reveal? Just wondering.

Not trying to stir up anything. Was just wondering where everyone stood. Don't really understand the book thing but so be it.

is it me ... Or does OKAY have a crush on James Renner?

Too cute!

OKAY wrote:

citi ~ is Maura's sister's name more correctly "Kathleen"? or "KathERleen"? would be nice to confirm one small fact.
TY!

Snowy Iam not trying to be rude or disrespectful to you. The confusion as to Mauras sisters name came from Renners blog. He is claiming to be investigating Mauras disappearance then he should check everything out ahead of time before posting. Obviously he is not if others have questions as to what Mauras sisters real name. This is not the first time he has done this concerning other names and so called info.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Snowy Iam not trying to be rude or disrespectful to you. The confusion as to Mauras sisters name came from Renners blog. He is claiming to be investigating Mauras disappearance then he should check everything out ahead of time before posting. Obviously he is not if others have questions as to what Mauras sisters real name. This is not the first time he has done this concerning other names and so called info.

Not being Rude but you never answered her question.

So citi what's the correct answer than Kathleen or Katherline? I thought her true name is Katherline but everyone in media has always mistaked her name as Kathleen, or everyone calls her Kathleen, or something like that.

Is that incorrect? Is that info from renner's blog that I'm repeating here?

Renners post

"On the anniversary of Maura's disappearance, WMUR casually posted several videos covering the case back to 2004. I really like it when local news channels do this. It adds to the historic record and is an excellent source of information. Some good comments from Fred, Sharon Rausch, and Maura's sister Katherline (often misattributed as Kathleen--seen above)."

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

So citi what's the correct answer than Kathleen or Katherline? I thought her true name is Katherline but everyone in media has always mistaked her name as Kathleen, or everyone calls her Kathleen, or something like that.
Is that incorrect? Is that info from renner's blog that I'm repeating here?

the media has the correct name.

whatif wrote:

based on citigirl's description in post #28008 above of the location of the bus parked on sbd's property and the light source, and considering it was winter which means less foliage to block his view, and considering he backed his bus in which means he would've been sitting in the bus facing the street, and considering it was a couple days at the most after a full moon with a mostly cloudless night and snow on the ground to reflect light all around, i would give it strong odds that sbd saw something that night from inside his bus that he told LE and never told the public. it would then also be a fairly easy leap of logic to guess that sbd's 911 call is the one-way intercept that is part of the evidence file that has not been made public. that's the way i lean, anyway.
i would love for her to be alive somewhere, but my gut tells me she got into the vehicle of someone she knew or didn't know, and that person was directly responsible for her disappearance. and i don't think that disappearance was willful and i don't think she will come back until she is found and laid to rest. like habs, i too hope that isn't true, but it seems all too likely.

I agree with this whole post except for the one thing about the one party intercept being sbd's 911 call. His call would not be considered a one party intercept. When you call 911 there is an assumption the call is being recorded. This call was held for its evidentiary value.
A one party intercept is a phone call, or other recording(someone wearing a wire or having a room bugged) where one person in the conversation is aware of the recording and the other is not. A 911 call does not meet this criteria, a 911 call is not considered a one party intercept.

To me that one party intercept is highly interesting, I would love to know who was recorded and what they said. My theory on that is it is a recording of the guy who is rumored around the Haverhill area to be responsible for her dissapearance. This is the person who LE applied for a search warrant to try to run a ground penetrating radar over a concrete slab that was poured on his property shortly after she went missin. Not only is it rumored that he is responsible, people up there have also said that this guys been heard bragging about the crime. He is also supposedly in the drug scene of the area. LE had asked permission from him to search his property and were denied. My thought on the intercept was that someone he knew got busted with drugs and agreed to wear a wire to go talk to him and see if they could get him bragging about the crime on tape. If you can get a recording of someone bragging about a crime that would constitute probable cause in a one-party intercept state. I get the sense that the person did possibly get him to brag about the case but there were no details given that would constitute specific PC. In addition to being denied permission to search the property LE also was denied a search warrant they applied for. I get the sense they may have gotten the guy on tape bragging so they applied for the warrant anyways, but the judge probably thought what was said wasn't specific enough. Say for example the guy said something like "I took that girl". The cops might know what he was talkin about and think it was worth a try but the judge would say that's not specific enough, he could be talkin about any girl and taking her anywhere, not necessarily he abducted her.
I'm not sure if this is what really happened, obviously, but I can't really see how else a one-party intercept would fit into this case. I really can't. Can anyone else think of any other way a one party consent call could be used in a missing persons case like this? To try to obtain PC from a suspect is one of the only things I can think of.

JWB wrote:

Renners post
"On the anniversary of Maura's disappearance, WMUR casually posted several videos covering the case back to 2004. I really like it when local news channels do this. It adds to the historic record and is an excellent source of information. Some good comments from Fred, Sharon Rausch, and Maura's sister Katherline (often misattributed as Kathleen--seen above)."

Oops looks iike Renner is wrong. there is no family member with the name Katherline.Maura does have a sister Kathleen.

Habs wrote:

Not trying to take over the forum but it's rare I have time to post. Just a few questions. 1) Did Maura have automatic deposit from her jobs? 2) Did Maura learn French in high school? 3) Any truth to the nurse receiving enquiry on Vasi, per Beagle? 4) Why do the police consider Kathleen a liar with respect to the phone calls Thurs/Fri a.m.? 5) Why was Maura heading anywhere other than Bartlett? If she was? 6) Who was Maura with on New Years Eve 2003/2004 in Goshen, N.H. at midnight? 7)Sex offenders in Haverhill area with a scanner? And on and on..........

Some good Q's right there for sure. Idk the answer to most of them.
Orky can give a good answer about # 4, hopefully he'll chime in on that.

As for #5- I don't think she was headed to Bartlett, if she was she was going the WRONG way. Fred says this but I think it's emotion, not logic, that's making him reach that conclusion. He just thinks that because it was "their" spot they'd always go.

The reason I'm convinced she was going to Lincoln is first because of the direction she was going. 112 is not the kind of road you turn down on accident off of 302; 302 goes to Bartlett. It's actually fairly easy to miss 112, it comes up quick and you gotta be looking for it. Also she had driven like 5 miles down 112, I find it hard to believe that's an accident.
The other reason I think lincoln is because of the availability of hotels in that area. Until you get all the way up Burlington Lincoln has the most hotels in the north country, and the most hotels that are the type that you can easily get without a reservation, which she didn't have. When I think of Bartlett I think much more of condos and places like that where reservations are required. There's a lot of places to stay but not nearly as many that you can just walk in and get a room. Lincoln is also close to Plymouth where there's several hotels you can see from the highway that she would've driven past her whole life going up NH. So not only does Lincoln have a lot of rooms, it's also much closer to other places that do too. Once your up in Bartlett you have to drive far if you can't find somewhere with a room. If I'm looking for a room in the north country and I don't have a reservation, I'm going to Lincoln. Lincoln just makes sense. She was a smart girl, she would've known this stuff.
It just can't be a coincidence that she accidentally turned down this road that is easy to miss and just happened to be heading towards the area with the most hotels in the north country. Also from the turn off 302 she was like 25-30 min away from n Woodstock and Lincoln, bartlett is still another hour-hour and a half farther. If she was going to Bartlett she would've had to have been an idiot to turn down 112 and drive 5 miles, I don't think she was an idiot.
She called 1-800-go-Stowe and condos in Bartlett to see if she could get a condo. Once she realized that wasn't happening she must've realized she was gonna need a hotel she could just walk in. I think that's why directions to Burlington were printed, that's another spot where you can easily get a room walking in.

IMO it makes no sense to say that she was headed for a town that has a few hotels but accidentally turned down a road that is easy to miss towards the town that has the most hotels in the area. That makes no sense. It makes much more sense that she was going to Lincoln on purpose to get a room. There has been speculation that she was lost but I think that's ridiculous, she's lost but just happens to be going the smartest way? Nah, she knew where she was going.

Thanks for clearing that up citigirl- her name is Kathleen. So it was renner's blog where I got the thing about her legal name being Katherline but everyone always calling her Kathleen.

That's sooo stupid, where did he get this whole Katherline thing from anyways? Was somebody fuckin with him or something? You're right, if he's gonna be writing a book, he better at least get the names right. Lol

But citi- what exactly is your problem with him writing a book about this case? I know you guys don't want some of her dirty laundry hanging out there but shouldn't the desire to find Maura trump all that? Shouldn't it trump her need for the 'all-American girl' image the family so carefully constructed early on? Shouldn't it trump the family's embarrassment about certain things? Shouldn't finding her be the most important thing? I don't think anyone believes renner is going to find her, obviously, but a book on the subject could bring major publicity like the dissapeared episode did. Who knows what kind of leads the publicity from the book could bring. Maybe there's a witness out there from jersey or something that saw her get in a car, or saw a struggle, or gave her a ride, but never heard that she went missing so they have no clue what they really saw. Maybe a book could bring that person forward by making them aware if the case.
Shouldn't the family want any and all publicity they can get on this case from anywhere they can get it? How can a book be anything but good for this case? Why would the family not want the free publicity from this book?
What is your specific problem with the book?
Is your problem with the book the same problem the rest of the family has?
I would think the family would happily welcome a book being written on this case, it just strikes me as odd that there seems to be such a strong resistance from the family towards the publishing of this book?
I'm not trying to bad mouth you or the family here citi, I'm just trying to see where you guys are coming from in all this. I'm truly wondering what your problem with a book being written is and the publicity the case will receive as a result. I am just wondering how &/or why the family thinks this is a bad thing.