Maura Murray

JWB wrote:

Habs here is another to ponder
How did Maura get the phone number for the Salamones and how do we know she called about condos if Mrs salamone doesn't recall the conversation?
I don't remember a search of Bartlett being mentioned. I might be wrong. I just don't recall it.

That's a reall good Q right there JWB, where did she even get the phone # from? Her family had rented to condo before but back when my family used to rent ski condos up NH I never got the phone # of the place.
I don't recall any computer searches being mentioned where she searched for this # either, so she must've gotten the # when she was at home? She had just recently gotten that phone so it's unlikely the # was just saved in her ohone from 1-2 years earlier the last time they stayed there.
That would be interesting if she got the number when she was at home for winter break, that could show potentially more foresight and plannin on her part than ever previously thought.

It's also interesting that Linda salamone didn't remember the convo but that might not mean too much. It was like 8 months later when she was finally asked about it, how and why would she remember a 1 minute conversation that took place 8 months before?

Something else I find interesting is that the salamones never saw any of these missing posters that were put up in the area? They never saw any of the news reports about the case either. It just goes to show how much this case really isn't that known about up in NH. Maura had stayed at their condo several times in her life. You would think they would've noticed if the missing girl on the poster had stayed at their condo in the past.

Sad fact is that the vast majority of NH residents have never heard of MM, and have no clue that there's even a girl that went missing. Theoretically she could be living in NH right now and nobody would notice. It's a small percentage of the population up here that even know there's a girl missing, let alone know what she looks like or know what she looks like enough to where they would call LE.
This is a reason why a campaign to put up a thousand missing posters around the north country could prove useful.
This is why a book on the subject could also be useful. Impossible to come forward as a witness on a case you don't even know exists. Impossible to spot someone you don't even know is missing and have no idea what she looks like.

This case needs more publicity and it needs it now before it's too late.

OKAY wrote:

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. Jenky provides a nightly update on his views. Not to worry, they appear every other page.

Endless drivel in the form of dead horse beating, windmilling and twirling over 25,576 posts has emerged from intentionally feeding the public misinformation, pure fantasy, bias, personalizing and hyper-fixated obsessions.
Is someone writing another book to refute whatever Renner may reveal? Just wondering.

And you care because why?? What do you give a shit if I post my opinions on this case? If I want to waste my time to post what I think of the case why the hell do you care?
If everything is endless drivel and beating a dead horse then why the hell are you here? Why are you wasting your time responding to endless drivel and beating a dead horse yourself? You seriously put A LOT of time and effort into this forum, like A LOT. If its just endless drivel beating a dead horse why are you doing that?
There's just something that doesn't match up here between your words and your actions.

As for the misinformation, bias and fantasy your talking about you, bill, frmLE wowzer correct?
FrmLE clearly was here to spread misinfo, that is
Obvious to anyone with half a brain.
As for bias, there's nobody even close to as biased as you guys are, it's pretty crazy. An wanna talk about pure fantasy? How about this 21 year old girl wearing jeans and sneakers walking into the woods through 2.5' of snow by herself at night in the middle of February in Nh. Now that is a pure fantasy. How about frmLE, no she actually ran like 5-10 miles up the road and THEN entered the woods. Lol, talk about a fantasy. Yea, she runs miles up the road, escaping the cops she was so afraid of and then after she already got away, and up in the mountains at that point, she decides to then walk miles into the woods. Now THAT is pure fantasy. Makes no sense. Nvm the fact that the whole theory is based off the assumption she was drunk and scared of the cops. Well if she was scared of LE the woods would have been the absolute worst place to hide ever, a 5 year old can track someone through 2.5' of snow...just follow the GIANT trail she would've left.

Wanna talk hyper-fixation? How about you and bill, been posting here for years, almost every day making literally thousands and thousands of posts. I don't think you can get more hyper-fixated than that I mean damn.

So in that post you were obviously describing you and your buddies right? Or were you just being your regular 'ol hypocritical self? The hypocrisy evident on this forum by a few posters is just amazing. Truly incredible they anyone can be such a huge hypocrite.

Jenkins

Are you sure they stayed at the salamones Condo or was it that they stayed at condos at that location? I am vague on that.

Jenky- You've got mail

From Hanson Express

"Just before 1 p.m. she called Dominic and Linda Salamone, a couple who own a rental condominium at the Seasons at Attitash Resort in Bartlett, New Hampshire. Maura's family, which frequented the Bartlett area, had stayed at the Seasons, though never at this condominium."

How did Maura get the salamones number?

OKAY wrote:

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Again, since this individual has been identified as "moving on", then he/she is known to "move on", and very likely can be located and contacted, regardless of the reason for "moving on".
In another, broader context, one might also "move on" when someone no longer wants contact with someone that has been in one's life.
It's stupid phrasing. Of course we all "move on". But we could just as easily "go back" in time, place, and in our relationshps.

As you post, if they specifically knew this individual moved on, they also know to find him/her. Given the context, I took it as this person had not only left UMass, but also left whatever the realtionship to Maura was. So, he or she should be possible to track down for an interview by LE.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Oh I see findmaura- you're saying that those dates that are listed on the FB page are just known dates that he travelled certain places. Those times are known but he could've travelled out here other times as well and obviously did at some point.
I'm gonna have to go read some more, are there any other links you can point me to? Thanks

I think if you google him you'll find plenty..The facebook page provides a number of links also..

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Oops looks iike Renner is wrong. there is no family member with the name Katherline.Maura does have a sister Kathleen.

Not only Renner, intelius too.

OKAY wrote:

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you are correct. hindsight is 20/20 when all-knowing-Bob puts together his story, and embellishes it with adjectives that suit his fancy.
further, there is no evidence of a physical struggle, which might include sounds, scattered belongings, blood or items left out of place, to name a few variables.
the time window for abduction is also very narrow.
SBD rolls in his grave.

Snowy said-"sbd rolls in his grave"
I just have to point out the sheer absurdity of this comment. Why exactly is sbd rolling in his grave?
WTH are you talking about?
What a weird ass comment, snowy you're weird.
Kind of reminds me when bill used to sign off all I his posts with "in memory of sbd". Freekin weird, did he know the guy or something?

I love how you guys will defend sbd to no end, defend this guy that told three different versions of events, he lied for sure. But you'll let pretty much anything bad be said about Maura and not defend her...interesting. You choose to defend this guy that told multiple lies and not some innocent girl who is missing and probably dead. Weird.

Thanks for posting that JWB, I thought they had stayed at the salamone's property several times but I guess not. That makes a lot more sense as to why LS never noticed the missing posters or news reports, she had never stayed at their place.
Also makes a lot more sense as to why she didn't remember the convo they had either, if she had never met her in her life why would she remember a phone call from her 8 months later?

FindMaura- THanks for that, I'm def gonna read up on this guy when I get a minute. Interesting that you say there's nothing to rule him out yet. There may be nothng to rule him in but it's worth taking a look at to see if there is. I wonder if the NHSP have considered this guy and his possible connection.
What would be the chances of her coming across this guy? Slim to none, but then again the chances of all of his victims coming across him were slim to none but yet they did come across him unfortunately.

The weakest argument against her getting killed is the whole 'what are the chances' argument. There's never a good chance of somene coming across a killer, the chances are extremely low for someone to be mudered, but yet it happens every day. A sad fact of this case is that while the chances are always low, they go up much more when it's a young girl stuck out on the road at night in the middle of the winter when there's 2.5' of snow on the ground. That doesn't leave many options. It's a sad fact that this is exactly the scenario many of these sick fucks are looking for. Some nut that might never stalk and kill somene but if they see a young beautiful girl out on the road by herself at night in winter they might take advantage of the situation. That's whey they're called oppurtunistic killers.
Sadly this is how most of the victims of the CRV serial killer met their end, out on the road by themselves at night. this is also the story for many of the unsolved murders in the north county, women out on the road by themselves. Pamela Webb comes to mind, abducted while changin a tire on the Maine turnpike and found murdered in Franconia notch. Louise Chaput, visiting down from Canada was found murdered in Pinkham notch in 2001 iirc, car found abandoned at a parking lot at the end of a hiking trail.

While the chances are low that Maura came across a killer that night it still remains a very real, and probably likely scenario. After all these years it makes sense. Honestly it makes a lot more sense than saying that she walked into the woods and died from the elements. I would be willing to bet money that it's way more common for a young pretty girl like her to be murdered than to walk into the woods by herself at night, especially when it's the middle of winter and there's 2.5' of snow on the ground and she's wearing sneakers and jeans.

I read a quote from Lt. Scarinza where he says that in all his years with the NHSP there's only been one or two cases he's aware of where they looked for someone who was known to be lost in the woods and they never found the person. I found that interesting; the overwhelming majority of people who get lost in the woods in NH and require SAR teams get found. Listening to some people around here they make it out like it's an everyday occurence for someone to get lost in the woods and never be found. Just because she hasn't been found does NOT mean she isn't in the woods, but after 9 years it's a pretty good indication that she's not. Especially when you consider how many people go hunting in those woods off of 112. From what I can tell it's an extremely popular hunting ground. Drive that road on a saturday morning during hunting season and you will see many trucks parked there, pretty much at every fire road turn off there's at least one, usually multiple. There's been a lot of people in those woods since she went missing and nothing has ever turned up to indicate that she actually went into the woods.

Interesting Hannah- Intellius has her name listed as Katherline not Kathleen? They seem like a neutral source, and I doubt they gor their info from Renner.
Is Citi wrong about her cousin's legal name?
Hey citi- How many times have you met Kathleen in your life?
You met Maura two times, correct?

Jenkins, you spoke earlier about "publicity'. I was in Woodsville that night of Feb. 9, 2004.(Yes, I have written this before) I was visiting my parents. I worked part-time so I was up there a lot. That night, because my parents hated my smoking, I was on their porch. There was a full moon, which I love. Their residence was within view of the Cottage Hospital. I heard no sirens nor did I see any flashing police cars.
Because my parents and I have subscriptions to the local newspaper..."Journal Opinion" I was amazed that I knew NOTHING about Maura Murray Missing until the Spring of 2005. The only JO newspaper article, that I am aware of was in Feb 2008.
Why wouldn a local newspaper NOT write about MMM?

Hey bill- remember like a month ago when you went on and on abouut how you can't dispose of a body under ice? Well here you go:

http://articles.ktuu.com/2012-04-02/koenig-ca...

THat's exactly where that pos keyes disposed of samantha koenigs body. And it didn't get found accidently either, he told them where he hid it and they sent divers in to retrieve it.
He cut a hole in the ice using a chain saw.
What was your quote again?'you don't think other ice fishermen are gonna notie whern there's a hole that'll fit moby dick in the ice" something like that? No an exact quote but that's what you said many times, that they would notice the hole, the hole would have to be huge, they would notice you bringing the body out, they would notice you making the hole, the body can't be held uner the ice it's gonna come to the surface. oh yea the classic 'you would have to put amy through a wood chipper into ziplock bags and then pour those through the hole in the ice' I can't believe you actually said that.
The ziploc thing was just insnanley stupid, straight up.
The rest of it could happen, but it probably wont. You don't need a hole that's very big at all. Ice fisherman aren't gonna notice or thiink anything strange about a hole twice the size of a regular hole, nvm the fact that the hole is gonna freeze over anyways. Most of the time when people go ice fishing they bring along supplies and they bring out supplies onto the lake using a big sled called a sledge. you could obviouslty pust and bring a body out on one of those and most likely nobody would notice at all. People are always bringing things out on the ice, that's normal. Peopl are also always doing weird things on the ice, even this guy using a chainsw to cut a hole went unnoticed; probably not the first time they saw someone make a hole with a chansaw.

The point is that you were so ridiculously crazy wrong about that whole thing it's ridiculous. Israel Keyes was able to dispose of her body rather effectively into a lake up there.
I'm not saying I think this is what happened, or there's any evidence that it did happen, but it definiteley is 100% possible. Definitey not impossible or anywere as near difficult as you tried to make it sound for some reason. really makes me wonder why. you must know that you wouldn't need to put someone into ziploc bags to get them under the ice of a lake. Don'te tell me Israel Keyes can figure this out and you can't bill, come on, your a freekin engineer for christ's sake. Really has got to make you wonder why when you know someone lied about something like that, make up such a crzy story like needing to woodchip someone into ziploc bags so you can pour them through the hole on the ice.

Who knows, but at any rate you were clearly wrong. You can effectively dispose of a body under a frozen lake, obviously. I mean come on bill, even shack knew that. lol
I'm not saying I think that's what happened, but it could of so it needs to be considered as a possibility. Keyes had to tell LE where it was so the could send in divers to find it.

WHat was that oter quote?'Did a body float to shore in the spring when the ice melted? NO? Than it didn't happen, her body was not disposed of in a pond'.
Just interesting, why were you so hell bent on convincing everyone that this is competely impossible if not inpractical. You must've known that it was perfectly possible but yet you chose to try super hard to convince everyone that it wasn't. You did a pretty good job of it too, you convinced amy 'amy's 15" across, its through the chipper for you amy you won't fit down the hole' something like that. and how about 'don't you think the fishermen are gonna notice when you chum the water with a human?'' classic, can you not see how ridiculously stupid and just plain wrong those posts were?
I mean damn, either you were lying or Israel Keyes is smarter than you?!?!
I thought you are the smartest man in the world?

stay thirsty my friends

Shack wrote:

Jenkins, you spoke earlier about "publicity'. I was in Woodsville that night of Feb. 9, 2004.(Yes, I have written this before) I was visiting my parents. I worked part-time so I was up there a lot. That night, because my parents hated my smoking, I was on their porch. There was a full moon, which I love. Their residence was within view of the Cottage Hospital. I heard no sirens nor did I see any flashing police cars.
Because my parents and I have subscriptions to the local newspaper..."Journal Opinion" I was amazed that I knew NOTHING about Maura Murray Missing until the Spring of 2005. The only JO newspaper article, that I am aware of was in Feb 2008.
Why wouldn a local newspaper NOT write about MMM?

Great point Shack and that is amazing, they didn't write an article about this until Feb '08? That's unbelievable. Clearly the locals aren't too proud of the fact that Maura went missig in their backyard. I get the sense they would rather just forget the whole thing altogether instead of really getting to the bottom of it. I think if they could get to the bottom of it they would, it's not that they don't want to, it's just that it's hard, it looks bad on the area, and then it'll look realy bad if she never gets found.

Its no wonder most people up in NH have no idea who Maura is and that she's missing, or anyone's missing at all for that matter. You don't kknow how many people from around NH I've told about this and their jaw just dropped that some young girl went missing 20 miles from their house and sthey've never heard a word about it. There's something that's not right about that, and the fact that the local paper the JO didn't do an article until 08 just is a prime example of why this is unknown. I'm always talking about what if someone from new york saw something and they have no idea she's missing, shit, what if someone from lincoln saw something and they don't know she's missing. Most of the people I know in NH live between like Franconia notch and down to concord. Pretty muvh everyone lives in that zone, like central to north central NH. And these are all the people that haven't heard about it. IT's weird, I know people in Rumney and warren and even my old roomate who was from woodsville never heard of it!
There's just something wrong with this picture.
Don't get me wrong, I think they would absolutely love to solve this case, I don't think it's a coverup like that, but I think they would prefer if people DIDN"T talk about it. What sucks about that is the fact that without the public's help this case likely will never get solved.
They say a police is only as god as his best informant; meaning that without information a police is nothing, he's just some guy driving around in a car that can pull people over. They get that information from the public.

I think so much of this has to do with the fact that NH's economy is based on tourism from Mass and CT. Maura was a Umass student. That just looks bad if young pretty coeds are getting abducted in your state. I believe haverhill has this problem even more because they want to fight the image of a backwoods hick town. The don't want to look like delieverance or something. It's aready a more depressed area of the state, not much tourism going on over there; the last thing they want people to think is that if your car breaks down while dribing through you might get abducted. That's actually a ridiculous thing to think but the public loves to over-react to things and something like this could certainly be one of those things.

Bottom line is this case need more publicity so that one tip that can break the case wide open comes in. Somebody knows something, I believe that as well The thing is that maybe they don't even really know that they know it. That's why publicity is needed in this case.

shack when I mentioned you in that post to Bill I wasn't trying to put you down at all. I strictly said that because of all the ridicuous bullshit he talks about you. You were the one who brought up ice fishing and he jumped all over that sayng how impossible it would be and went on to the disgusting thing about the woodchipper and ziploc bags.
So you were right, he was wrong. Anybody knows it's possible to dispose of a body on a frozen pond or lake, particuarly one used for ice fishing. I just thought it's hilarious that after all the shit he talks about you that you knew that and he didn't. Althouh I suspect he probably knew too which woud mean he was just completley full of shit and making things up.
Another thing I got to say is they're such bad liars when it comes to you and what was said on those old MM and MMM forums. Nobody ever used anyone's real names, not even SBD or CW. NObody was being accused publicly with their real names, that just didn't happen. Also back then the talk was not mean hearted at all. They make it out like you and bunch of evil witches were out chastising the whole community forever putting a blight on a once great town tha hs now been ruined by shack and her evil hate filled speech.. LOLOL, I was there, I read all of those forums, that didn't happen. They are LYING, compete untruths, over-exagerations to the fullest effect. Sometimes some stupid things were said but nothing anwhere close to what theyre describing.
Bill-'shack's name will live in iinfamy'LOLOL!!!!! come on!!! he looks sooooo stupid when he says that, and he used to say it a lot. Lives in infamy, who are you hitler? We got Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Shack! LOL
completely ridiculous bovine feces, as you like to say

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Snowy Iam not trying to be rude or disrespectful to you. The confusion as to Mauras sisters name came from Renners blog. He is claiming to be investigating Mauras disappearance then he should check everything out ahead of time before posting. Obviously he is not if others have questions as to what Mauras sisters real name. This is not the first time he has done this concerning other names and so called info.

thanks for the definitive answer. have you noticed people read from whatever source (to include Topix)...and run with it?

Orko Kringer wrote:

is it me ... Or does OKAY have a crush on James Renner?
Too cute!

does he wear tight jeans?

Bob,
I said in a post quite some time ago that we use a chainsaw to cut a two by two hole in the ice under our Bob houses to jig through. No one around here calls them sledges. We just call them ice sleds. I don't have a snomobile so I just use a regular sled.
Keyes clearly broke rule number three of the redneck code, so he certainly will not get a twenty one perch salute at his funeral and I and my bearded posse will be traveling to Alaska to confiscate whatever booze he may have stashed in any caches throughout the state.

As for the misinformation, bias and fantasy your talking about you, bill, frmLE wowzer correct?~ Jenky

gotta love Jenky. haven't ever run across his way of thinking before.
no, wasn't referring to Bill, Wowzer or FrMer LE. nor do my posts reveal me to be a hypocrite.
you had quite a session on Topix last nite. fascinating content!{sarcasm}

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

The weakest argument against her getting killed is the whole 'what are the chances' argument. There's never a good chance of somene coming across a killer, the chances are extremely low for someone to be mudered, but yet it happens every day. A sad fact of this case is that while the chances are always low, they go up much more when it's a young girl stuck out on the road at night in the middle of the winter when there's 2.5' of snow on the ground. That doesn't leave many options. It's a sad fact that this is exactly the scenario many of these sick fucks are looking for. Some nut that might never stalk and kill somene but if they see a young beautiful girl out on the road by herself at night in winter they might take advantage of the situation. That's whey they're called oppurtunistic killers.

I have always thought by using actual math and statistical data to help prove a point would strengthen an argument, but for you it weakens it. I can't understand why.

This whole forum is in need of finding the serial killer. First you have to create a serial killer. Why is you need a "serial killer" and not just a "killer". A "killer" needs a motive and usually the motive means that they knew the person and LE knows this so chances are they would have a list of suspects and checked out their alibis.

The forum needs a "serial killer" because a serial killer can be placed on the road driving around looking to kill "for fun". No motive needed just put them on the road. Of the whopping 14 murders in NH in 2004 how many of the victims did not know their killers? How many of those deaths went unsolved to show evidence of a serial killer operating in NH?
I'd also hate to ask the obvious question of looking at the serial killers mentioned in the past couple of days: if she didn't get into the car with SBD what can make you argue that she went into the car with them? Again - no evidence of a struggle, and if a car would suddenly stop to abduct her, I'm not sure if any of these "serial killers" were in shape to catch a distance runner.

I am very doubful that you did any research when making most of your points, so when you say that a serial killing "happens everyday" I'm not sure if you are correct in stating this, nor is it worth refuting. To argue a point that "happens everyday" to me is sugar coating an argument that "could happen". There are a lot of things that "could have happened" but probably didn't happen.