Maura Murray

Aftermath wrote:

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hannah_b,
"Left and right?" Sounds like you don't believe in serial killers. A lot of people do not. You're not alone in your belief. Maybe there is no reason for Cold Case units to exist?...or maybe serial killers exist all over the place except Grafton County? My belief is that a serial killer does exist and that he is living in Grafton County. He brought Pamela Webb all the way from the eastern border of NH/ME....on his way home dropped her off in the White Mountains. He's been doing this for a while (plucking women from beside the highway). Severing the body that way is reflective of the fact he's been practicing his art far more than a few years. No one stopped to help Pam. No one would stop to help the others either.

Aftermath - even if it is a serial killer or a random killer. In this day and age with the "innocence project" and defense attorneys using DNA evidence. If you can't bring or tie the killer back to the ARAME house I don't think you will evr be able to get past "reasonable doubt"

Family members "in the know" on this forum have stated their was blood on a carpet. If a family member is posting that on the forum of their missing relative the defense should be able to test that to prove that since they weren't at the AFRAME they weren't responsible. Your not going to be able to recant a story right before it goes to trial.

I also think that if LE thought there would be charges raised they would have issued a statement to debunk this long ago to clear up this possible defense angle.

the phone call to Salamones lasted three minutes.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Aftermath - even if it is a serial killer or a random killer. In this day and age with the "innocence project" and defense attorneys using DNA evidence. If you can't bring or tie the killer back to the ARAME house I don't think you will evr be able to get past "reasonable doubt"
Family members "in the know" on this forum have stated their was blood on a carpet. If a family member is posting that on the forum of their missing relative the defense should be able to test that to prove that since they weren't at the AFRAME they weren't responsible. Your not going to be able to recant a story right before it goes to trial.
I also think that if LE thought there would be charges raised they would have issued a statement to debunk this long ago to clear up this possible defense angle.

It's difficult to determine fact from fiction. The minimal information leaves one considering ALL of the "could have, might have, should have" angles. Something as simple as immediate examination of a phone record statement? How difficult would that have been? Mrs. R was not an official investigator. Chances are if she had experience in this line of work, she would have examined Maura's phone statements earlier. She probably arrived, evolved to take a look at them out of desperation when she had exhausted all other avenues....but LE...it seems incredible that they had not noticed that phone number on the statement. The call may not have been about the condo at all. Mrs. S explained that she wished she could have remembered more.... The possibility exists that the call was not even about the condo. She may have confused the call with others who had phoned about the condo.

whiston wrote:

Hi all,how many times did chief Williams say,oh we checked that and who was double checking his reports.Smiths parents lived on Bunga road.R.O.'s daughter was sadly killed in a car accident involving a moose in October 2004.I am hoping that Mauras' family in Londonderry N.H. helped her escape from her past life.I think maybe Kurtis and Mauras' grandparents were the only ones that had not been arrested.How the hell could Maura have a security job checking I.D.s'after her conviction of ID theft and was she alone at that desk.i don't think Maura having insurance for any vehicle was an option until the Toyota had been looked at.

You mentioned Londonderry Family. I may have missed this point all these years, Has this been mentioned before? Do or did they own a red truck?

IF Maura had family in Londonderry, NH and IF she called one of them to help her disappear wouldn’t they be travelling up I-93 to meet her in Bartlett as opposed to travelling in tandem with her on Route 112 (presumably coming from I-91)?

With all due respect, and in the absence of adequate evidence, I think the unknown friendly party travelling along with Maura in another vehicle is a load of twaddle.

I have a fair degree of confidence that there was a lurking Red Truck and that its occupant(s) picked up Maura and she met with foul play as a result of that encounter.

JMO and all that jazz.

This an online insane asylum. Medication is required JUST TO READ IT.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text>I think if the call was long in duration Ms. Salmone would have remembered it

I don't know LH. I actually have been thinking for years now that she DOES remember the call and has either been frightened by the killers or was in on the murder of Maura. It is the only thing that makes sense. For proof I would point you to JWB, Bob and obviously shack. I mean how does someone not remember a phone conversation? She MUST be involved and should be pressed hard. Not by those silly police, but by the topix forum truth squad using good old fashion Gestapo techniques. This is too important to be left to the police, we need the vigilantes to come out and go after her, like they did SBD.

Now, since that seed is planted I am sure that shack will be able to torture Salamone with this. To the point that she either confesses, or flees the area. Silly me, that will never happen. Oh, wait, it has already happened once.

To the kind words expressed to me, thank you. I haven't had time to really even read much and the shear volume of the foolishness is very impressive. I did try to scan some of the more humorous posts but I am hoping to have more time in the near future because I can always use a chuckle. I have been, and am still too busy to really do anything right now. BUT, how could anyone argue the high quality entertainment that is being generated. A lot of the same exact entertainment as in the past but still high quality. It is of such high quality, I really don't think it should be stopped. Reasonable people will likely see it for what it is i.e. total bullshit. Talk about the windmill going into overtime. And the mention that there are too few facts, all true but they won't let them stop them from the fantasy sleuth sideshow.

When I get time, I have some very interesting pictures of a dented hood, that people with common sense I think will find very interesting. Just need the time to get it ready for showing.

Bill

Bill wrote:

"I don't know LH. I actually have been thinking for years now that she DOES remember the call and has either been frightened by the killers or was in on the murder of Maura. It is the only thing that makes sense. For proof I would point you to JWB, Bob and obviously shack. I mean how does someone not remember a phone conversation? She MUST be involved and should be pressed hard."

Hey Bill!
Let's get REALLY crazy... How about maybe Maura phoned that number as an alert, signaling that she was about to hit the highway and head north into NH. She was phoning to synchronize their watches so they would arrive at their NH destination at approximately the same time! Only instead....the Mrs answered the phone! Botched! Now there is one crazy scenario. Insane? Yes. However, is it as insane as a student working 2 part-time min. wage jobs affording a condo?

hannah_b wrote:

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I am too... I caught the Jenkins germ, that´s why I´m making multiple posts and replying to myself.

Before I report you the CDC I need a couple questions answered:

1. Are you saying "clearly" more than twice a day in situations that are anything but clear?

2. Are you going to work or school and offering solutions to problems by offering proof as "if you really think about it"

3. Are you making errors based on false assumptions that you made based on using the strategy mentioned in 1 and 2?

You may have stage four Jenkoma. Not to worry you can still live and carry on in life, but you may never be able to live in the same reality that everyone else does.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:
"Why have PI's if they weren't giuven the PC or the phone records, what were they suppossed to use?"

Credit card statements/records, referring back to before her return to MA from WP. Check attendance records at UMASS, determine any absences, possibly compare with credit card purchases just before, after and during those dates. Compare credit card records especially against holidays. Look at dates,places on credit card, especially any for NH, VT purchases, etc.

Aftermath wrote:

Lighthouse 101 wrote:
"Why have PI's if they weren't giuven the PC or the phone records, what were they suppossed to use?"
Credit card statements/records, referring back to before her return to MA from WP. Check attendance records at UMASS, determine any absences, possibly compare with credit card purchases just before, after and during those dates. Compare credit card records especially against holidays. Look at dates,places on credit card, especially any for NH, VT purchases, etc.

A Shaws card found in her car was apparently never used. Odd for someone as smartly frugal as Maura.

A couple of observations. Lighthouse you are pretty funny. Aftermath I agree with most of your posts and value your insight. JWB I feel your pain but try not to burn bridges. I get the drunk posting thing. Mcsmom I think we have the same general theory as to what happened and I look forward to what u have to say moving forward.

Btw, thank you to Bob for answering one of my questions from an earlier post regarding why Maura wasn't heading to Bartlett. Your opinion made a lot of sense and was well explained.

One last thing. Bill I also am glad u continue to patrol the forum. I triple check everything I post and choose my words wisely so as to avoid a deserved Bill spanking. Only because of my respect for your intelligence do I continue to consider the occams razor dying on the woods theory. I do question your closemindedness however towards abduction and murder by someone locally. Just saying.

Sorry, *in* the woods.

Habs wrote:

One last thing. Bill I also am glad u continue to patrol the forum. I triple check everything I post and choose my words wisely so as to avoid a deserved Bill spanking. Only because of my respect for your intelligence do I continue to consider the occams razor dying on the woods theory. I do question your closemindedness however towards abduction and murder by someone locally. Just saying.

He is very consistent in his logic and theory. I don't think you can say its "closemindedness" not that you meant it to be negative. To keep an "open mind" to me persoanlly means that you have to let an argument or proof exist, even though their isn't sufficent data to support it.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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I don't know what else you want.
was maribeth conway just making this up?
She notes it was the last recorded phone call (maura checking her messages).
You guys claim she was getting a phone call from the Salamones at this time or some mystery friend or lover.
You refer to an affadavit done up (way before maribeth conway came out with her investigative feature on the case).
Wouldn't this be the results of the affadavit, that police discovered it was maura checking her messages at this time?
Do you think police lied to maribeth conway about the last phone activity on maura's cell? Really?
Maura would've been in range to Londonderry Vermont (along I-91) at the time she checked her messages, check it out for yourself do a google map search from amherst up 1-91 and see where you end up a litte over an hour into your route.

Maura checking her voice mail and the affidavit are two seperate issues.Maura last used her phone around 4:37 to check her voice mail. The Londenderry NH ping was an incoming call to Mauras cell phone. There is no time listed on the affidavit. It only states late afternoon.I have no idea why a time was not listed in this affidavit.Late afternoon is so vague.According to an unknown witness Maura was last seen in Amherst around 4:00.

For the eyes of JWB and Hannah Montana:
From Todd Landry's affadavit:

Notes to follow:

5. During the course of this investigation, Cellular Telephone records have been obtained by Law Enforcement that were used by MURRAY. A representative from Sprint Corporate Security advised this affiant that during the late afternoon hours of February 9, 2004an outgoing telephone call was made to Murray from the Londonderry, NH Sprint tower. This call had to have been made from within a 22 mile radius of the tower. The identity of this caller and telephone number has not been made as of this date.

6. That identifying the caller of the telephone call could be pertinent to the ongoing investigation and may lead to the whereabouts of Maura Murray.

7. Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe evidence in the suspicious disappearance of Maura Murray may be found through Sprint Wireless Cell Tower Telephone Records, including any outgoing calls from the Londonderry tower of Sprint to Maura Murrays Sprint PCs number ********** for February 9, 2004 from 0001 hours to 2400 hours.
Todd D. Landry

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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He is very consistent in his logic and theory. I don't think you can say its "closemindedness" not that you meant it to be negative. To keep an "open mind" to me persoanlly means that you have to let an argument or proof exist, even though their isn't sufficent data to support it.

Ty Lighthouse, point taken.

Note 1: Right before Landry talks about getting cell tower info from sprint through the courts he points out that police already have maura's cell phone records.

In other words police weren't looking for names at this point. any incoming call to maura's cell would already be in their posession from the cell phone records.

Note 2:Sprint notfied Landry specifically about ping activity from maura's phone and stated that it came from the londonderry Tower. Landry is a cop in New Hampshire, there is a Londonderry New Hampshire ... see where the confusion could of came in on which londonderry we are talking about.

Note 3: As the great Mitt Romney once said and I paraphrase
"Cell towers are not people my friends!!!!!!!!!!

The request for the londonberry ping info was not about a person trying to call maura (pings track people's movement they don't call people and talk to them).

Lt. Landry, likely (back in late 2004 or early 2005) didn't know much about pings and how they work and what he is requesting on this affadavit doesn't even make sense.

But no worries this was all cleared up and that is why we NOW know maura checked her own phone messages (thanks to the ping info from the londonderry VERMONT tower).

Note D:
Here is how pings work.

If I am driving in my car down the interstate and I have my phone off, but momentarily turn it on to see if I missed a call, my cell phone would start pinging the second I turn it on.

Once I have checked messages and then turned phone back off, The phone quits pinging and no more tracing can be done by law enforcement.

that is why law enforcement hasn't been able to create a complete accurate timeline of maura's travles because for 99 percent of her trip up north, she had her phone off. It was the brief seconds she turned it on (that a ping was created) and this is what lt. Landry ultimately discovered as a result of this affadavit.