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I have to clairfy a few things and admit that I was wrong.

I heard back from Maribeth and she believes (going off memory) that she got the tidbit about maura checking her phone for messages from maura's phone records.

I am still confused as heck about the affadavit (Maribeth never saw that). And I guess I really don't understand how cell phone pinging works and why you would do it.

Also, to make it crystal clear, I have never been in a partnership with James Renner. I believe I have explained that before, but in case I hadn't ...

I was interested in the case well before he even knew who maura murray was. I began publically commenting on the case at about the same time he began his blog.

We did discuss the case amongst ourselves and I did offer to provide him with the use of my photos for his book or blog.

But that is as far as it has gone.

I am a professional journalist and have been one for over 12 years.

He is a book author who likes to tell a good story. Period.

Hope that clears some things up and I apologize if i have mis-lead.

I haven't decided how I will continue on the subject of Maura. I have several people I would like to personally interview. I feel like there has been a lot of mis-steps done in getting the story out (Different than discussing the case on a message board) but I don't really have the means to go about getting it done.
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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The part that is actually the funniest in this little note from Shack is why she didn't just claim that the first thing out of Fred's mouth wasn't "a dirtbag got her". I have nothing for or against the family but I am also not obliged to filter any of my thoughts on them or in particular their nitwit, non-compensated, pseudo-representatives.
I might suggest you take aspirin for any headaches and Midol for any cramps, and then explain how you know what "most" families do in that situation. I assume that you have authored a study on what most of them do, can point to references? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
And it always strikes me as funny that people can't seem to understand the difference when police say "that there is no evidence of an abduction" and then having people interpret it as, "authorities often immediately determine they're dealing with a runaway or suicide, sometimes both." And on the other side of that you have others accusing locals by name, they see nothing wrong with that. Amazing.
Again, I wish I had more time because while most of what I have read is both harmless, and useless, I see certain elements creeping in that might have to be squashed - again. I will catch as catch can but might not be able to squash all of the stupidity. I have seen some other very capable people here with high intelligence and a low tolerance for stupid, so there is still hope that this won't devolve into what it was before.
Bill
Bill,
Here is a little insight for ya.... Usually if police have even the slightest notion that an abduction is involved....the "victim's" vehicle is not towed to a local garage. The vehicle is impounded. Not so in this case. Maura's car was taken to a local garage. People walked all over area where the Saturn had been found. The vehicle was treated just like any abandoned vehicle...even though just about everyone who knew Maura, knew the situation of her disappearance was unusual. Not so much the disappearance....but WHERE the vehicle was found raised a red flag for those who knew the condition the car. A vehicle running on 3 cylinders, one she was amivalent about driving around Amherst.
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Orko Kringer wrote:
I have to clairfy a few things and admit that I was wrong.
I heard back from Maribeth and she believes (going off memory) that she got the tidbit about maura checking her phone for messages from maura's phone records.
I am still confused as heck about the affadavit (Maribeth never saw that). And I guess I really don't understand how cell phone pinging works and why you would do it.
Also, to make it crystal clear, I have never been in a partnership with James Renner. I believe I have explained that before, but in case I hadn't ...
I was interested in the case well before he even knew who maura murray was. I began publically commenting on the case at about the same time he began his blog.
We did discuss the case amongst ourselves and I did offer to provide him with the use of my photos for his book or blog.
But that is as far as it has gone.
I am a professional journalist and have been one for over 12 years.
He is a book author who likes to tell a good story. Period.
Hope that clears some things up and I apologize if i have mis-lead.
I haven't decided how I will continue on the subject of Maura. I have several people I would like to personally interview. I feel like there has been a lot of mis-steps done in getting the story out (Different than discussing the case on a message board) but I don't really have the means to go about getting it done.
It takes a stand up person to admit when you are wrong and I commend you for it. It's ok so we move on from here at least we now know for certain where that piece of info came from.

The process might not have been pretty but in the end the truth came out.

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It takes a stand up person to admit when you are wrong and I commend you for it. It's ok so we move on from here at least we now know for certain where that piece of info came from.
The process might not have been pretty but in the end the truth came out.
I do want to make it clear that concerning the affadavit, I will just say proceed with caution.

None of us know the proper context of that affadavit. It could have led to absolutely nothing.(I have no reason to think its not authentic however).
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Orko Kringer wrote:
I have to clairfy a few things and admit that I was wrong.
I heard back from Maribeth and she believes (going off memory) that she got the tidbit about maura checking her phone for messages from maura's phone records.
I am still confused as heck about the affadavit (Maribeth never saw that). And I guess I really don't understand how cell phone pinging works and why you would do it.
Also, to make it crystal clear, I have never been in a partnership with James Renner. I believe I have explained that before, but in case I hadn't ...
I was interested in the case well before he even knew who maura murray was. I began publically commenting on the case at about the same time he began his blog.
We did discuss the case amongst ourselves and I did offer to provide him with the use of my photos for his book or blog.
But that is as far as it has gone.
I am a professional journalist and have been one for over 12 years.
He is a book author who likes to tell a good story. Period.
Hope that clears some things up and I apologize if i have mis-lead.
I haven't decided how I will continue on the subject of Maura. I have several people I would like to personally interview. I feel like there has been a lot of mis-steps done in getting the story out (Different than discussing the case on a message board) but I don't really have the means to go about getting it done.
The affidavit... I remeber local poster White Wash finding it at the court house, written on a plain white piece of paper with no official stationery like the others. It was just stuck in the file, not organized like the others. I believe thatīs what made some posters specualate it was fake and "planted". Apparently Landry has since confirmed its authenticity and Iīm not questioning that. I just thought itīs one more of all the strange or odd stuff about this case.
I take it youīre criticizing Rennerīs integrity?
One thing I would love to see straightened out is all the inconsistencies in FMīs statements to media vs police etc, like his account of the night of the Hadley crash. I guess that will never happen.
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Orko Kringer wrote:
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I do want to make it clear that concerning the affadavit, I will just say proceed with caution.
None of us know the proper context of that affadavit. It could have led to absolutely nothing.(I have no reason to think its not authentic however).
That might be a point for you to proceed. Contact Kingcast and find out the names of the attorneys that were able to obtain the Affidavit and interview them about it. Just a thought
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Orko Kringer wrote:
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I do want to make it clear that concerning the affadavit, I will just say proceed with caution.
None of us know the proper context of that affadavit. It could have led to absolutely nothing.(I have no reason to think its not authentic however).
when I say the truth I am talking about Maura checking her messages and the Londonderry nh call was something completely different.

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The affidavit... I remeber local poster White Wash finding it at the court house, written on a plain white piece of paper with no official stationery like the others. It was just stuck in the file, not organized like the others. I believe thatīs what made some posters specualate it was fake and "planted". Apparently Landry has since confirmed its authenticity and Iīm not questioning that. I just thought itīs one more of all the strange or odd stuff about this case.
I take it youīre criticizing Rennerīs integrity?
One thing I would love to see straightened out is all the inconsistencies in FMīs statements to media vs police etc, like his account of the night of the Hadley crash. I guess that will never happen.
Well I made the mistake of taking that affadavit and running with it.

I originally took the the info from it (londonderry NH,(assumed we were talking about pings for some reason) and came to my own conclusion that it would've been physically impossible for maura to have been near londonderry NH at anypoint late in that afternoon (becasue she was spotted on campus and through atm and liquor store evidence near UMASS as late as 3:40 p.m.) while londonderry NH is over two hours away.

I didn't even know there was a Londonderry Vermont, but because that affadavit bothered me and I truly believed maura took I-91 North, I got to looking and came across Londonderry Vermont and it was like bingo. I have found the discrepancy and why that affadavit had never made much sense to me before. The timeline actually fits up quite errily perfect for her to have been around the londonderry vermont area at the time she checked her phone for messages which was 4:37 p.m.

Now I don't know what to believe (Concerning the affadavit). It's a document that should've been responsibly released with some proper context, not just thrown out there to be debated about.

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Aftermath wrote:
<quoted text>Usually if police have even the slightest notion that an abduction is involved
What?? You mean that the police thought that this was just a case of a girl drinking, crashing her car, and then running from it? And by thought, meaning that is what actually happened?

NEWS FLASH EVERYONE. It appears that Aftermath's astute observations and incredible insight has cracked the case.

And when I have time I'll address the absurd concept that anyone who dissents must be involved in the grand conspiracy. People who write things like that, in particular, with no proof, usually, it is indicative of someone with a very weak mind who has troubles with concepts that are even slightly complex.

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My take on the affidavit is that LT Landry was speaking with sprint about maura phone records and asked them to look into any other data related to her phone number that wouldn't show up on the records. It appears sprint security told them about a call to Maura that went to the londonderry tower and probably didn't continue because her phone was off. They probably told Lt landry that he needed a search warrant to obtain further details on that call and so the affidavit.

The thing that I find odd is the affidavit I would think should have been kept in a case file and not released.Just my take on it

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JWB wrote:
My take on the affidavit is that LT Landry was speaking with sprint about maura phone records and asked them to look into any other data related to her phone number that wouldn't show up on the records. It appears sprint security told them about a call to Maura that went to the londonderry tower and probably didn't continue because her phone was off. They probably told Lt landry that he needed a search warrant to obtain further details on that call and so the affidavit.
The thing that I find odd is the affidavit I would think should have been kept in a case file and not released.Just my take on it
I have honestly considered (in recent weeks) of calling sprint security myself and getting some info from them, but it is difficult to explain that I am a journalist yet not hired to work on the maura murray case, yet would love to get some info. I don't have an official capacity so, it limits me in being able to get some real investigating done.

I may still call sprint security and just ask for some general information anyhoo.

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This is likely a non-issue but I thought it was kind of funny.

I did find a manual that sprint security released intended for cops to better teach them about cell phone investigating.

And the very first line which was underlined was that if police had to refer to sprint in an affadavit or report, do not refer to them as Sprint Security.

And looking at Lt. Landry's affadavit, sure enough he refers to them as sprint security.

Now obviously, the manual could've been done more recently and Lt. Landry may have never had a manual to go off of when he did his affadavit.
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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What?? You mean that the police thought that this was just a case of a girl drinking, crashing her car, and then running from it? And by thought, meaning that is what actually happened?
NEWS FLASH EVERYONE. It appears that Aftermath's astute observations and incredible insight has cracked the case.
And when I have time I'll address the absurd concept that anyone who dissents must be involved in the grand conspiracy. People who write things like that, in particular, with no proof, usually, it is indicative of someone with a very weak mind who has troubles with concepts that are even slightly complex.
Bill
Bill,
Be truthful. You and your friends spent a day or so thrashing about in the snow off Rte 112 because your theory(?) was that she was just another individual attempting to avoid a dui/dwi by running off into the woods! WHAT a screwed-up theory THAT was! Years later, the egg continues to drip from your face into your mug of holiday eggnog. So it goes.
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I have honestly considered (in recent weeks) of calling sprint security myself and getting some info from them, but it is difficult to explain that I am a journalist yet not hired to work on the maura murray case, yet would love to get some info. I don't have an official capacity so, it limits me in being able to get some real investigating done.
I may still call sprint security and just ask for some general information anyhoo.
I am sure any information relating to Maura has been long disposed of
by sprint and they wouldn't give out any info anyways or are you just referring to generic tech questions?
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Bill,
You'd have difficulty cracking a nut in a nutcracker, say nothing about finding your way over a snowbank! Good thing others accompanied you at the scene or another search party would have been needed. One for uncle Bill.
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Everyone was so dedicated to the snowy woods of Rte 112, no one.........absolutely no one considered the Fairlee VT area. That guy most likely had the highway worn out delivering bodies there from the Claremont area years ago. Talk about a tragic travesty. He has nostalgic feelings for northern VT...some kind of attachment to the Craftsbury Common area....at some point launched himself into the Claremont area and almost wore out the I-91 stretch of highway. There is some connectedness to Fairlee and it happened long ago before he had to head there on the evening of 2/9. The connection? I do not know. From the interstates to wooded areas...he's very comfortable in the woods even at night.
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It is my belief that Maura's plans for the week and what occurred the evening of Feb 9, 2004 are totally separate. Her messages held every indication that she planned to return to Amherst, why else bother to leave messages? Needing lead time so no one would immediately start looking for her? Doubtful. Something happened to her that Monday evening which prevented her from phoning her father at 8 p.m. It seems the "something" has happened to several other females in NH and VT. These women were simply living their lives, carrying out plans, and met up with someone they never suspected.

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Orko Kringer wrote:
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I have honestly considered (in recent weeks) of calling sprint security myself and getting some info from them, but it is difficult to explain that I am a journalist yet not hired to work on the maura murray case, yet would love to get some info. I don't have an official capacity so, it limits me in being able to get some real investigating done.
I may still call sprint security and just ask for some general information anyhoo.
Its almost been 9 years & they would have deleted it by now.. All info would be in LEs hands.. Also, you'd need a suopena to get any info, if they even had any left.. They wont even ping phones unless its thought of foul play or kidnapping & it still takes a warrant from the DA.. They use them in RICO cases & drug traffics but still need a warrant from the DA..
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the hocus pocus jump up and down serial killer theorists are on to a new boogey man. lots of material to chew over with this Keyes guy. maybe when he pings he lights up a fluorescent green.
you're right, the train is jumping the tracks. crazy talk.
enjoy the evening,away from Topix!

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Aftermath wrote:
Everyone was so dedicated to the snowy woods of Rte 112, no one.........absolutely no one considered the Fairlee VT area. That guy most likely had the highway worn out delivering bodies there from the Claremont area years ago. Talk about a tragic travesty. He has nostalgic feelings for northern VT...some kind of attachment to the Craftsbury Common area....at some point launched himself into the Claremont area and almost wore out the I-91 stretch of highway. There is some connectedness to Fairlee and it happened long ago before he had to head there on the evening of 2/9. The connection? I do not know. From the interstates to wooded areas...he's very comfortable in the woods even at night.
I just have to comment on this.
Aftermath you've gone by several monikers here and have told MANY stories as fact.
You've mentioned Fairlee and other places before. Can you please tell me how you could possibly know what this killer/abductor feels, knows and does.
IMO the only way you could know this as fact is if you are either the person that you're talking about, you know the person well and he told you what he felt and did or you are completely full of BS. Which is it because your posts are kind of strange.

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