Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

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why, ever, do you suppose strangers would flock to write so many posts, with limited knowledge, about an individual they have never met?
seems to be a good question for pop psychologists.

Im a pscy major which I recieved at Oklahoma State :) lol.. I also had Level C SERE Training in the Military & when I was hurt perfoming a routine jump at Bragg, I was kept around for an extra 2 years because I had such a degree & the SERE Training (Its on my public record so I can speak it, but there are many things I cant speak about & my Transmogrified file is Not public record)~ I'll speak on that after I somewhat answer your question Snowy :)..

The Allure of this whole case is fasinating.. Someone that disappeared into "thin air" in around 7-10 minutes brings many people! When I first seen the ID Network episode on MM, I went straight to Google searching as it was an older show when I had watched it in Jan 2012..

I read MMM, The Jason Project, the Wiki page, a couple of other smaller sites, looked for news updates, then I found Renners blog which lead me to here.. All of that just because I couldnt believe that someone could vanish so quickly!

You also have the people that were very rude & nasty to any & all locals, which many stay here to defend their hometown & its something I would do also.. Its not that they dont care about MM or what may or may not have happened to her, but after so long & people still blame them, they have every right to post in defense of their area, especially with this community part of Topix being Franconia, NH..

You have the other side who sometimes claim to be "local to the area" but when asked questions by some known locals, they cant answer said questions, even simple stuff like a tattoo shop :)

You have the people that wanna blame FM & some people have made some good points, But, you never know what you'd say & do unless you've been in that situation....

You have people that want attention, im sure you can easily tell who they are.. Also some weirdos..

You have people that write for a living.. People in all walks of LE.. Etc;

The main basis would be that she vanished in such a short window.. Im sure there are plenty of people like me that seen the show & thought "No Way does she vanish that quick!" .. Its the Allure of what could have happened, NOT what Did happen because we dont know & there are only a very few Actual Confirmed Facts in this case.. In life, No One really wants to be wrong, especially the theory writers that wont even try to come to a common ground when evidence, no matter how small, is shown to them.. They wont waiver from their own thoughts of what happened almost 9yrs ago..

Also, strangers come because deep inside of most people there is good.. People want to help but are turned away & when they find out that the family wont help & while some still try, there still kinda stuck in limbo, so to speak, on how they can help..

There are no ways to donate for searches..

A true analysis would be this & its all IMHO..

People cant beleive that she could just vanish so quickly, especially given the 7-10 minute time frame.. Mysteries are part of pop culture, & this is a very hard one to even comprehend, much less figure out.. There is much more I could have wrote but im sure you get the gist of it & I really dont wanna get attacked at Christmas time, so im sure you understand.. Your a smart lady..

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Im a pscy major which I recieved at Oklahoma State :) lol.. I also had Level C SERE Training in the Military & when I was hurt perfoming a routine jump at Bragg, I was kept around for an extra 2 years because I had such a degree & the SERE Training (Its on my public record so I can speak it, but there are many things I cant speak about & my Transmogrified file is Not public record)~ I'll speak on that after I somewhat answer your question Snowy :)..

People cant beleive that she could just vanish so quickly, especially given the 7-10 minute time frame.. Mysteries are part of pop culture, & this is a very hard one to even comprehend, much less figure out.. There is much more I could have wrote but im sure you get the gist of it & I really dont wanna get attacked at Christmas time, so im sure you understand.. Your a smart lady..

OK - you've simplified it for me...and what's true for me may not be and is not true for others. i was a psych major, too. no longer proud of that....it's all BS. i do want to go back and read up on Jung, however...one professor left a lasting impression on me, and took a personal interest in me, many years ago...and Jung was her bible.

that said, the first hint i ever had of MM's disappearance was in the local news....immediately when it happened. i had the same reaction, especially being a mother...how can one's young adult child disappear....vanish in such a short window of time?
that still holds me.

the second part, which you bring up, is the unprecedented online nastiness which was DIRECTED TOWARD LOCAL NH RESIDENTS.
remember, that nastiness preceded all other nastiness to follow.

these two points of interest hold me today.

globally, i am saddened by the loss of all of the missing, but do not focus on each and every one as some people do. just hearing about them in the news....along with all other bad news....is what most of us wish didn't exist.

i just shortened your excellent post in order to reply. i hope you didn't think i'd be attacking you?! no way.

anyway, that thousands and thousands would flock to the Holly Bobo mystery and the Casey Anthony story tells me that these real life dramas must fill a hole in the lives of ordinary people. it might heighten their fears, and cause them to respond in various and many ways that must reflect their own life experiences.

thanks for the prompt in bringing me toward answering some of my own questions. that one is always a burning one for me.

family is coming today....Christmas celebrating early....blending families and fitting in work is a huge juggle. how fortunate for any of us to have family in our short lives on this earth. maybe MM's thread gives me reason to pause and reflect.
no, that's not true.
i'm always reflecting. always asking "why".

Still going.....

Snowy wrote:

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OK - you've simplified it for me...and what's true for me may not be and is not true for others. i was a psych major, too. no longer proud of that....it's all BS. i do want to go back and read up on Jung, however...one professor left a lasting impression on me, and took a personal interest in me, many years ago...and Jung was her bible.
that said, the first hint i ever had of MM's disappearance was in the local news....immediately when it happened. i had the same reaction, especially being a mother...how can one's young adult child disappear....vanish in such a short window of time?
that still holds me.
the second part, which you bring up, is the unprecedented online nastiness which was DIRECTED TOWARD LOCAL NH RESIDENTS.
remember, that nastiness preceded all other nastiness to follow.
these two points of interest hold me today.
globally, i am saddened by the loss of all of the missing, but do not focus on each and every one as some people do. just hearing about them in the news....along with all other bad news....is what most of us wish didn't exist.
i just shortened your excellent post in order to reply. i hope you didn't think i'd be attacking you?! no way.
anyway, that thousands and thousands would flock to the Holly Bobo mystery and the Casey Anthony story tells me that these real life dramas must fill a hole in the lives of ordinary people. it might heighten their fears, and cause them to respond in various and many ways that must reflect their own life experiences.
thanks for the prompt in bringing me toward answering some of my own questions. that one is always a burning one for me.
family is coming today....Christmas celebrating early....blending families and fitting in work is a huge juggle. how fortunate for any of us to have family in our short lives on this earth. maybe MM's thread gives me reason to pause and reflect.
no, that's not true.
i'm always reflecting. always asking "why".

What I find amazing is why others find caring about others is unusual or needs study . I think of it as part of my DNA as I care about others first and myself second. What I would like to see studied are the many that are selfish and can't think about others and what they might be going through.

It is obvious with the Connecticut heartbreaking occurrence that most people actually do care about others that they might not know. The reason is that most of us have a common bond of caring about each other especially the kids.

I find it odd that caring about others needs to be examined as if it it is something of an oddity, that in itself tells me what a strange world we live in and thank god for those that do care about others.

PS- I myself think I have wasted a lot of my time here on Topix, but I also Know I have learned a lot about myself and others so not all time was wasted.

Merry Christmas everyone

Emmett and Snowy: In addition to the psychological "draws" of MM's case that bring people to follow it, I have long thought that there is a deep underlying bio/psychological thing going on, not just with MM's case but with many similar types of situations and related sorts of scenarios.

In general, I think human beings tend to pay more attention and then remember "bad" things that happen -- to themselves and to others -- more than good things that happen, and I think that this is a deeply rooted survival mechanism. I don't think (as some do) that it's an unhealthy focus on crime as such, I think that it's more of an instinctive response to perceived dangers in the world and the need to assess those.

In MM's case, as Emmett pointed out, there is a mysterious disappearance of a human being and I believe that deep inside individuals, something like that sets off a "red alert" that prompts a need to know what happened for purposes of survival. This is likely stronger in some people than in others, just as any other characteristic, but I do think it's a species thing. Hence the predominance of "bad news" because it sells papers and programs -- not that people want bad news, but they have a visceral need to know.

Advocator wrote:

Emmett and Snowy: In addition to the psychological "draws" of MM's case that bring people to follow it, I have long thought that there is a deep underlying bio/psychological thing going on, not just with MM's case but with many similar types of situations and related sorts of scenarios.
In general, I think human beings tend to pay more attention and then remember "bad" things that happen -- to themselves and to others -- more than good things that happen, and I think that this is a deeply rooted survival mechanism. I don't think (as some do) that it's an unhealthy focus on crime as such, I think that it's more of an instinctive response to perceived dangers in the world and the need to assess those.
In MM's case, as Emmett pointed out, there is a mysterious disappearance of a human being and I believe that deep inside individuals, something like that sets off a "red alert" that prompts a need to know what happened for purposes of survival. This is likely stronger in some people than in others, just as any other characteristic, but I do think it's a species thing. Hence the predominance of "bad news" because it sells papers and programs -- not that people want bad news, but they have a visceral need to know.

aggree advocate that it is a survival mech and there fore some can relate or understand what others might be feeling or they put themselves in the position of the people that are suffering and try to relate.

I have a daughter of mauras age and my biggest fear is anything bad happening to her. Besides my wife my daughter is all I have left for family so it is exaggerated somewhat for me. Bottom line is I do care.

JWB

Business/finance major here lol no phyc stuff.

I sit and reflect what does Christmas mean to me and It really has hit me this year and what its meaning is (to me). Christmas to me means putting life into perspective ( Jesus died for us and this is his birthday). I feel like this time of year causes me to to look back at myself and ask questions. Am I doping my best- Am I loving one another properly. I find this time of year a time to reflect and say - "I can and will do better" I have a long way to go.
JWB
Merry christmas

JWB wrote:

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What I find amazing is why others find caring about others is unusual or needs study . I think of it as part of my DNA as I care about others first and myself second. What I would like to see studied are the many that are selfish and can't think about others and what they might be going through.
It is obvious with the Connecticut heartbreaking occurrence that most people actually do care about others that they might not know. The reason is that most of us have a common bond of caring about each other especially the kids.
I find it odd that caring about others needs to be examined as if it it is something of an oddity, that in itself tells me what a strange world we live in and thank god for those that do care about others.
PS- I myself think I have wasted a lot of my time here on Topix, but I also Know I have learned a lot about myself and others so not all time was wasted.
Merry Christmas everyone

no. it's not about "caring". it's about sustained "caring" AT A LEVEL where one first entered the discussion. will your passionate caring be the same at 2 years as at 5? at 8 or 10 years? or does one's "real" life get in the way....and one cannot live, vicariously, through another's pain and loss.
how many family members, pets, beloved friends and acquaintances will share your compassion and passion?
am i to drain my physical and emotional being on every care management situation i come upon? every media story i hear about?
a man beat and kicked his dog in gloucester this week. he broke its leg; it was wimpering and screaming in pain. my heart is breaking for this animal.
another sub-life moron sliced open his pit bull to retrieve his drugs....also in gloucester. i am sickened.
i have mourned and cried with the nation at the loss of school-age children and their teachers and leaders.
now....is there a certain amount of emotional energy i should reserve for MM to satisfy your standard measurement of caring?
oh, please.
i'm not buying what you've been selling. and what Shack's been selling.
your "caring" is not more virtuous than my "caring", JWB.

Advocator wrote:

Emmett and Snowy: In addition to the psychological "draws" of MM's case that bring people to follow it, I have long thought that there is a deep underlying bio/psychological thing going on, not just with MM's case but with many similar types of situations and related sorts of scenarios.
In general, I think human beings tend to pay more attention and then remember "bad" things that happen -- to themselves and to others -- more than good things that happen, and I think that this is a deeply rooted survival mechanism. I don't think (as some do) that it's an unhealthy focus on crime as such, I think that it's more of an instinctive response to perceived dangers in the world and the need to assess those.
In MM's case, as Emmett pointed out, there is a mysterious disappearance of a human being and I believe that deep inside individuals, something like that sets off a "red alert" that prompts a need to know what happened for purposes of survival. This is likely stronger in some people than in others, just as any other characteristic, but I do think it's a species thing. Hence the predominance of "bad news" because it sells papers and programs -- not that people want bad news, but they have a visceral need to know.

you make some good points. i agree that one's own level of safety and fear are triggered by these stories, and they must tap into the "deeply rooted survival mechanism" you describe.
your mention of "bad news" selling is similar to rubber-necking by accident scenes. we hope that everyone is ok, but we look with fearful curiosity, as well.

Snowy wrote:

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no. it's not about "caring". it's about sustained "caring" AT A LEVEL where one first entered the discussion. will your passionate caring be the same at 2 years as at 5? at 8 or 10 years? or does one's "real" life get in the way....and one cannot live, vicariously, through another's pain and loss.
how many family members, pets, beloved friends and acquaintances will share your compassion and passion?
am i to drain my physical and emotional being on every care management situation i come upon? every media story i hear about?
a man beat and kicked his dog in gloucester this week. he broke its leg; it was wimpering and screaming in pain. my heart is breaking for this animal.
another sub-life moron sliced open his pit bull to retrieve his drugs....also in gloucester. i am sickened.
i have mourned and cried with the nation at the loss of school-age children and their teachers and leaders.
now....is there a certain amount of emotional energy i should reserve for MM to satisfy your standard measurement of caring?
oh, please.
i'm not buying what you've been selling. and what Shack's been selling.
your "caring" is not more virtuous than my "caring", JWB.

Why do you think I am selling anything? sell what?? Shit?? That is a real slap in the face!!! I laid out my true feelings. I really don't get you at all.

I came on this site two days after my mom died- cause I was looking to branch out and talk to others. If you can't accept others caring about others then you are the one with the problem.

JWB wrote:

Business/finance major here lol no phyc stuff.

as do i....a long way to go.
i've said this here, perhaps, and elsewhere.....that my fondest Christmas wish would be for all children and animals to be wanted, cared for and loved. if only just that.
Merry Christmas.

Snowey - You really have some serious issues- You say You have wasted your time on this forum and you have because you have not helped anyone -family- Maura posters etc. you continue to slam people as if you are god- You think that you are perfect and you are unwilling to learn or listen to other.

You obviously don't look at yourself

ya know snowy- I really find it disgusting and a poor portrayal of your self for debuting me for my feelings. I think I pissed you off when I questioned you about people being able to care for others that that don't know. What does that say about you?

to clarify above post

meant to say ' I think i pissed you off when I questioned you about being able to care for others that one doesn't know"

Really - you don't understand that do you snowy? Careing about others whether you know them or don't.

Why do you care so much about the locals that you don't know?? Now that is an interesting question.

Snowy wrote:

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OK - you've simplified it for me...and what's true for me may not be and is not true for others. i was a psych major, too. no longer proud of that....it's all BS. i do want to go back and read up on Jung, however...one professor left a lasting impression on me, and took a personal interest in me, many years ago...and Jung was her bible.
that said, the first hint i ever had of MM's disappearance was in the local news....immediately when it happened. i had the same reaction, especially being a mother...how can one's young adult child disappear....vanish in such a short window of time?
that still holds me.
the second part, which you bring up, is the unprecedented online nastiness which was DIRECTED TOWARD LOCAL NH RESIDENTS.
remember, that nastiness preceded all other nastiness to follow.
these two points of interest hold me today.
globally, i am saddened by the loss of all of the missing, but do not focus on each and every one as some people do. just hearing about them in the news....along with all other bad news....is what most of us wish didn't exist.
i just shortened your excellent post in order to reply. i hope you didn't think i'd be attacking you?! no way.
anyway, that thousands and thousands would flock to the Holly Bobo mystery and the Casey Anthony story tells me that these real life dramas must fill a hole in the lives of ordinary people. it might heighten their fears, and cause them to respond in various and many ways that must reflect their own life experiences.
thanks for the prompt in bringing me toward answering some of my own questions. that one is always a burning one for me.
family is coming today....Christmas celebrating early....blending families and fitting in work is a huge juggle. how fortunate for any of us to have family in our short lives on this earth. maybe MM's thread gives me reason to pause and reflect.
no, that's not true.
i'm always reflecting. always asking "why".

I agree with your points! & tbh it is all BS but it is used different in the military, especially places like "Gitmo" & some other places I probably shouldnt mention.. It takes on a life of its own & I gave it up long ago for my Byzantine/World/US/ History Majors.. I mean I still use the skills I learned on occasion to try & comprehend why some people have so much hatred inside them & I find myself analyzing & interpreting too much stuff tbh..

& I didnt mean that you would attack me, but more the post(s) that will surely follow me like always here..

I have more to add but it fits with what Advocator said so Ill leave a reply in it also..

Advocator wrote:

Emmett and Snowy: In addition to the psychological "draws" of MM's case that bring people to follow it, I have long thought that there is a deep underlying bio/psychological thing going on, not just with MM's case but with many similar types of situations and related sorts of scenarios.
In general, I think human beings tend to pay more attention and then remember "bad" things that happen -- to themselves and to others -- more than good things that happen, and I think that this is a deeply rooted survival mechanism. I don't think (as some do) that it's an unhealthy focus on crime as such, I think that it's more of an instinctive response to perceived dangers in the world and the need to assess those.
In MM's case, as Emmett pointed out, there is a mysterious disappearance of a human being and I believe that deep inside individuals, something like that sets off a "red alert" that prompts a need to know what happened for purposes of survival. This is likely stronger in some people than in others, just as any other characteristic, but I do think it's a species thing. Hence the predominance of "bad news" because it sells papers and programs -- not that people want bad news, but they have a visceral need to know.

Strongly agree!!! A+ posting!!! Thats what SERA Training is all about!

I also think that people see certain cases & something, like you pointed out, draws them in.. Survival has become a real issues in the last decade or so & certain needs for people to feel that "false sense of security" are slowly fading away with so much violence happening in this day & age.. Now, I know its always been violent, but with so much more added on the internet & pretty much everyone having televisions, it is shown way more now that it used to be & that "scares" people..

I was drawn to the case with the mystical 7-10 minute window frame of vanshing into thin air so to speak.. Also, MMs age & the fact that it was a car wreck drew me closer as thats how my wife (Laura) passed.. I wanted to try to understand what really happened but didnt know there was so little available..

Some cases just hit "close to home" for some people & it draws them in.. I strongly support your survival example & would like to add on a part..

People get drawn in with the basis of what all you said, & also try to find ways to prevent it from maybe happening to their families or themselves.. Hence the "survival gene" .. It is not wrong to care for others that are missing, been hurt, etc; & its pretty much just human nature.. I would say by your post that youve took some psyc classes in the past or perhaps read about the subject..

That was a real educated answer IMO & im glad you shared it :-)

Merry Christmas to you & yours, Advocator :-)

Emmett Dove wrote:

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I agree with your points! & tbh it is all BS but it is used different in the military, especially places like "Gitmo" & some other places I probably shouldnt mention.. It takes on a life of its own & I gave it up long ago for my Byzantine/World/US/ History Majors.. I mean I still use the skills I learned on occasion to try & comprehend why some people have so much hatred inside them & I find myself analyzing & interpreting too much stuff tbh..
& I didnt mean that you would attack me, but more the post(s) that will surely follow me like always here..
I have more to add but it fits with what Advocator said so Ill leave a reply in it also..

Ok Emmett- I will tell you how I feel

I feel your attack on shack was immature at best- How ridiculous!!. Shack never said anything to you and you went on a childish rampage about judging. Really dude- a guy that packs a weapon is .bothered by judging? Judging is done by all on this forum.
Get over your self big guy.

You have said many times that you respect women yet you really dumped on shack for no good reason/ I feel it was a real cheap shot.

What is it Emmett_ respect or no Respect

ya dump on Shack and she is a lady who never disrespected you.

Emmett Dove wrote:

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Strongly agree!!! A+ posting!!! Thats what SERA Training is all about!
I also think that people see certain cases & something, like you pointed out, draws them in.. Survival has become a real issues in the last decade or so & certain needs for people to feel that "false sense of security" are slowly fading away with so much violence happening in this day & age.. Now, I know its always been violent, but with so much more added on the internet & pretty much everyone having televisions, it is shown way more now that it used to be & that "scares" people..
I was drawn to the case with the mystical 7-10 minute window frame of vanshing into thin air so to speak.. Also, MMs age & the fact that it was a car wreck drew me closer as thats how my wife (Laura) passed.. I wanted to try to understand what really happened but didnt know there was so little available..
Some cases just hit "close to home" for some people & it draws them in.. I strongly support your survival example & would like to add on a part..
People get drawn in with the basis of what all you said, & also try to find ways to prevent it from maybe happening to their families or themselves.. Hence the "survival gene" .. It is not wrong to care for others that are missing, been hurt, etc; & its pretty much just human nature.. I would say by your post that youve took some psyc classes in the past or perhaps read about the subject..
That was a real educated answer IMO & im glad you shared it :-)
Merry Christmas to you & yours, Advocator :-)

Uhhh.. SERE.. Darn auto keys on iPhone, sorry..

A man doesn't let Topix judging create a verbal beating on an older woman or any woman.