Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

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given the two schools are substantially different, and unless you have assessed her transcript, it is careless to make assumptions about her meeting required courses and the number of credits transferred.
glad to see you've cited a source of your information, however.

Gen Eds are acceptable everywhere--they're the basics......the only chemistry required for Baccaleureate nursing is general chemistry--again the basics......

Promised the friend I owuld not use his/her name nor share his/her email or phoen # though. sorry.

Snowy wrote:

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hardly enough time, if one includes a semester off, to have satisfied requirements for the nursing program and remain on track for graduation on time.

the family's quote of the expected graduation is a year off. There's no way her clinicals would be done by then. Again, the family didn't check their facts.........

The one semester wasn't "off" she was taking classes, but as an undeclared major. You don't need to be accepted to simply take classes--as long as you pay the tuition, you can participate and tranfer the credits you too once you matriculate into your desired major. Thus, the reason she only ran in one race for UMass....she wasn't a declared major until the fall.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

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Gen Eds are acceptable everywhere--they're the basics......the only chemistry required for Baccaleureate nursing is general chemistry--again the basics......
Promised the friend I owuld not use his/her name nor share his/her email or phoen # though. sorry.

i will not attempt to convince you further that there are, indeed, exceptions to your notion that "Gen Ed" courses do not vary in content, and/or are easily transferrable, institution to institution. gaps in transferred credits often do not satisfy the requirements for a change in major, given pre-reqs are only offered during certain semesters and are taken in sequence. it's not unusual to take an overload during a semester to catch up under these circumstances.

Beagle wrote:

WTF-the-original/Bill:
Are you a Scientologist?

Sorry no. You are way off base. Raised a Catholic until I wised up to the whole religion thing. You could classify me, if you must as either Agnostic or Atheist, take your pick. We are talking monkeys, granted no divine privilege because there is no Divinity. The whole religion thing is a waste of time and effort. At least that is my take on the whole thing.

Bill

rozShoem wrote:

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Euroobserver,
You're so correct in terms of your perspective about friend or foe. I've visited, explored a lot of theories about MM. Consistently I return to the initial theory that someone with police and/or military training abducted Maura. There would have been no way Maura could have determined that the fellow in the vehicle who cruised onto the scene that night was friend or foe. She had not accepted assistance from SBD or had not approached local residents for help. Why then enter the vehicle of a complete stranger? Whether he had a vehicle resembling a police vehicle, I'm uncertain. What I'm fairly certain of is that he was in uniform and Maura had assumed him to be an officer or trooper. She felt safe. Pamela W. put up a struggle in broad daylight on the Maine turnpike and yet passerbys did not come to her aid. Why? In my opinion no one wanted to interfere with what appeared to be an officer making an arrest. Louise C., she didn't die in the same way as Pamela W. but it is reasonable to believe she was the victim of the same fellow (for an entirely different reason). He seems to prefer strangulation, manual or otherwise over use of knife (stabbing) although there may have been at least two exceptions (Louise was one) and in another case in 1991 at Plymouth ( he did not leave this victim in the woods; she was left in her apartment). In my opinion, Maura entered his vehicle because she saw the uniform and believed she was safe. Something almost immediately prompted Pamela to believe this guy was not acting in true capacity of an officer or a trooper and she fought for her life. True, these are theories, not "facts" but make sense based on existing information.

another missive...gasp.
although your imagination remains vivid, your conclusions are unsupported by evidence and so your given account is, at least by my informal standards, fictional.
it's grasping to connect the missing each to other; and your being "...fairly certain...that he was in uniform and Maura had assumed him to be an officer or trooper."
you are finger-pointing, yet again.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

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Gen Eds are acceptable everywhere--they're the basics

This is simply not true. Gen ed requirements are different from school to school. Many colleges don't want to transfer credits even for gen eds, and make it very, very hard to do. Mostly because they want to make money off of you, but its also politics. Some public universities make it easier, but I doubt that this was a smooth transition. Realistically, I would estimate that anywhere from 50%-80% of her credits were transferred.

Two Thousand Eleven wrote:

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This is simply not true. Gen ed requirements are different from school to school. Many colleges don't want to transfer credits even for gen eds, and make it very, very hard to do. Mostly because they want to make money off of you, but its also politics. Some public universities make it easier, but I doubt that this was a smooth transition. Realistically, I would estimate that anywhere from 50%-80% of her credits were transferred.

AMEN

Give the Mooowse a Chance She Twies.

I’ve been thinking about the towel in the exhaust pipe. It’s said that MM had been told by her father to do so as a signal for help. So, assuming it was MM at the Route 112 location and that she was the one who put it in the tailpipe…….this is what bugs me, why would she do so? I mean, the car’s trunk was up against a snow bank and it wouldn’t have been visible to people passing by. Witnesses said they saw activity at the trunk after the SBD drove off. This makes one think it was at this time the towel was placed into the exhaust pipe…..??? But, I dunno…….

This scenario came to mind while thinking about this…..so bear with me because I’m thinking out loud as I go……. let’s say the female who slid off Swiftwater road at approx 7:00 p.m. was MM. Now, let’s say that the reason she went off the road was because she was hit by an oncoming car/truck. She gets out of her car, gets the towel out of the trunk and puts it in the tailpipe to warn oncoming traffic that her car is there…just off the road.

At this time, dispatch puts out a call for a female who slid off Swiftwater Road and for emergency to respond. They all head out. And then a second call goes out to cancel the call saying the female left in a POV and emergency vehicles all turned around and went back to their stations.

Now, the only way this call could be cancelled is if it is cancelled by a very high-up law enforcement officer. Very high up. A citizen can’t cancel such a call. I’m not pointing fingers, so please don’t yell at me….. Thinking here. With the call cancelled, emergency responders (EMS, fire) would turn around and go back HOWEVER it’s mandatory that law enforcement still respond to the location. So, responding law enforcement continues to the Swiftwater location only to find MM‘s vehicle gone. If the female got into a POV, as the call said, then where was her car?

Maybe this is why witness saw LE racing up and down - was it Goose Lane? And this is also why the trooper was in the area driving around. Because they’re shocked to get to the location only to find the vehicle gone. Where was her car?

Now…assuming MM was abducted at the Swiftwater location, someone had to drive her car away…..BUT they don’t know the towel was in the tail pipe. As it’s known, a car will stall with the obstruction in the tailpipe. Not sure how far the Route 112 location is from the Swiftwater area, but maybe while MM’s car was being driven, it stalled out.

IIRC, some witnesses said it looked as if the car had been backed up or maybe they spun out on the curve and the tail end of the car ends up being up against the snow bank. And there’s the mystery of why the towel is in the tailpipe. Her car was being driven to get it out of the area….and maybe its possible the vehicle was being driven out of the area due to a different law enforcement jurisdiction?

This is all speculation of course. Hopefully someone will come forward to give the necessary info so her disappearance can be solved.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I do and act as I wish while knowing the actions, for both me and those around me. I wonder if Maura had given consideration to her mom, dad and fiancee if we would be having this conversation?
Who is this person you CLAIM knew about her plans? Why are you the only person who knows who this is?
Bill

Bill,
Bill she MAY have told someone of her plan. While we do not know if she did...this does not prevent it from having been a possibility. Maybe this individual has reason not to come forth with this information.

Hi all,I am still wondering where John Kappp Monaghan fits into all of this and why he was there.take care philip

Snowy wrote:

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AMEN

Apparentlythe four colleges I've been too, including the online certificate courses I'm taking now at a 5th university, are exceptions to the rule. Every transfer was smooth as can be, and my academic record is not anyway near as perfect as Maura's is said to be...I got a B or two..........and even I got into UMass Amherst's graduate program. They took EVERY one of my credits from PC, CCRI and RI College.....yup...two state schools are in that group of schools that, as you say, might make things easier.(by the way, the toughest school I went to was CCRI---a state junior college....not PC, not RIC) So if they took them from those schools, why wouldn't they take them from West Point? Again...she wasn't studying nursing there, so no, not every course counted toward NURSING credits....she matriculated into nursing after being a liberal arts major for a semester..they were probably used as her elective credits if they didn't apply to nursing. If a school is accreditted, it had to meet a minimum standard one way or the other, thus making things like Western Civ, Chemistry, General psych, calculus etc transferrable.

whiston wrote:

Hi all,I am still wondering where John Kappp Monaghan fits into all of this and why he was there.take care philip

Good Lord, what are you trying to insinuate? Why try to make something be there when it isn't? I would surmise that Monaghan had a reason to be there and was doing his job. Just because it isn't known WHY he was in that particular area at that particular time doesn't mean it's to be considered anything other than he was doing his job.

You periodically throw in little tidbits of info and questions and don't follow through on it. Some breadcrumbs to entice others to get off the path?

SP Monaghan, at that time lived next door to THE
Piermont, NH aged Chief of Police William Deal of Piermont,NH.

Wish that Bill Deal was here today..he was honest.

Bill Deal said to me that he was glad that Monaghan
was next door to help him.

Monaghan's tranfer within the SP is suspicious to me....only because of a personal issue with my own
state/federal experiences AND because of the timeing of transfer.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

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Apparentlythe four colleges I've been too, including the online certificate courses I'm taking now at a 5th university, are exceptions to the rule. Every transfer was smooth as can be, and my academic record is not anyway near as perfect as Maura's is said to be...I got a B or two..........and even I got into UMass Amherst's graduate program. They took EVERY one of my credits from PC, CCRI and RI College.....yup...two state schools are in that group of schools that, as you say, might make things easier.(by the way, the toughest school I went to was CCRI---a state junior college....not PC, not RIC) So if they took them from those schools, why wouldn't they take them from West Point? Again...she wasn't studying nursing there, so no, not every course counted toward NURSING credits....she matriculated into nursing after being a liberal arts major for a semester..they were probably used as her elective credits if they didn't apply to nursing. If a school is accreditted, it had to meet a minimum standard one way or the other, thus making things like Western Civ, Chemistry, General psych, calculus etc transferrable.

we disagree. period.
and i don't believe Maura's record was necessarily "perfect". did she leave WP mid-semester? were those credits completed? how would you know? do you have copies of the transcripts?

you write:

"she matriculated into nursing after being a liberal arts major for a semester..they were probably used as her elective credits if they didn't apply to nursing."

really? i thought she jumped from chem eng to nursing....this is news.

community college programs are designed to dovetail with state universities. a progression from one to another is a bird of a different color. good for you.

transferring and changing majors are notoriously expensive, both in time and in real dollars....that's the name of the game.

as i said, this is no longer a bullshit zone.

Snowy wrote:

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we disagree. period.
and i don't believe Maura's record was necessarily "perfect". did she leave WP mid-semester? were those credits completed? how would you know? do you have copies of the transcripts?
you write:
"she matriculated into nursing after being a liberal arts major for a semester..they were probably used as her elective credits if they didn't apply to nursing."
really? i thought she jumped from chem eng to nursing....this is news.
community college programs are designed to dovetail with state universities. a progression from one to another is a bird of a different color. good for you.
transferring and changing majors are notoriously expensive, both in time and in real dollars....that's the name of the game.
as i said, this is no longer a bullshit zone.

snowy, all I can say is that I have spoken directly with people involved with her at school. Chem eng was at WP--not at Umass...At that time UMass did not accept direct transfers into Nursing -- you had to complete 12 credits at UMass before beign considered. I have done my homework Snowy. I host UMass Amherst and UMJss Dartmouth nursing students for their commnity and Leadership clinical rotations---I know their rules.

thank you for the delightful trip down memory lane--I THOUGHT the forum may be interested in some things I have LEARNED---not SURMISED---apparently the BS continues ... enough said

L4M, did you just recently have this conversation with one of Maura's classmates or friend?

Thanks for bring it here, it's interesting to me

Looking4amoose, Thank you for all the information, I agree with linda, its interesting and informative.

linda wrote:

L4M, did you just recently have this conversation with one of Maura's classmates or friend?
Thanks for bring it here, it's interesting to me

I have contact with a friend as well as a clinic instructor. I have told both that I will not release their contact info --neither of them know anything about her actually going missing, but it has been enlightening. Opinions though, seem to the only welcome information here.