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Casual Observer wrote:

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When someone calls Renner's sources and purports to be working on his behalf, but that person in truth has no connection to Renner, then Renner has an obligation to set the record straight so others will not be similarly hoodwinked. Renner isn't trying to operate in this Topix "bubble" with fake unwritten rules that don't reflect the real world. He's trying to get through all the obfuscation.

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You may not end up liking Renner--and that is fine--but too many people are jumping to extreme opinions before the book's first draft has even been written. He knows more than what is on his blog. That's the nature of his profession. The only standard by which your opinion of him should be cemented is by what he produces in his final product. To see parts and assume the whole, to put words in his mouth or to believe how others have twisted his words, well, this I respectfully don't understand.

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There are hard questions to be asked in the search of any truth. Generally speaking, there are many in this bubble that seemingly don't want any questions to be asked if they don't fit a certain mold or point in a certain direction. Which begs the most obvious question: why so?

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Let Renner do his thing. Help if you can. Judge him when his work is completed.
All just two cents from a casual observer of Renner and the Murray case.

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Maruchan wrote:

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It is Renner's word against Orko's. I have no idea who is right, but that does not give him the right to out Orko's name on this board. Renner especially knows that there are possible dangers involved in revealing personal information on these forums, and for him to do so is inexcusable. Also, Maribeth Conway is NOT Renner's source, she is anybody's source that wants to use her as her article on this case is a matter of public record.
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This is patently absurd. Renner's blog on MM has existed since June 2011, and has hundreds of entries. He has also posted on Topix. My opinion of him is based, as it should be, on the totality of his writings to date. I do not put words in his mouth, and I do not respond to any "twisted words" - I respond only to what he has himself written. I am not a "casual observer," as you claim to be, I have read every word he has written on that blog and anything he has written in this forum since the beginning of this year. You should spend some time reading all of his writings before you go telling others who actually HAVE read his blog that they are jumping to conclusions. I know EXACTLY what he has written about Fred Murray and how much he himself has jumped to some pretty nasty conclusions. Go read his blog entry about Melissa Jenkins and Beagle and come back and talk to us about jumping to conclusions.
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Ah, yes, when all else fails, fall back on the old conspiracy theory - if people disagree with somebody, like with Renner and his Fred the pedo theory, then they must be locals, or the person who took Maura, or people banding together to divert the topic - yes, certainly that must be it. No way could it be that we SIMPLY DO NOT AGREE WITH ANOTHER'S LAME ASS THEORY. Nope, gotta be a conspiracy.
Please.
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Like I said, come back when you have done a little homework. Until then, I will judge Renner as much as I want, based on his own words and actions.

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If we're talking logically here how does her lying to we teachers about a death in the family indicate anything other than a plan to return to classes the following week? She was in a hard major. The kind of classes that you aren't allowed any excuses absences from except for health emergencies and deaths of family members. The fact that she took the trouble to make up this lie is a good indicator that she was plannin on returning to classes.
Why make up a lie to get excused absences if he's plannin on running away or suicide?? Her teachers WOULD NOT be looking for her, they wouldn't call her family, her friends, nothing. They'd mark her absent and that's that.
IMO the fact that he made up that low is one of the best indicators that she was plannin on returning to school, not start a new life. It seems to me any othe interpretation of that is trying to fit facts into a thory that just doesn't fit.
Maybe you could explain why she would need an excused absence if she was plannin on running away to BC, or anywhere for that matter? Or suicide? How does that make any sense?
She was at umass with 30,000 other students, not high school. They would not be looking for her if she missed class, the most they would do is Maybe ask one of her friends who was in the same class if they knew where Maura was, MAYBE, and that probably wouldn't be til the end of the week, certainly not on Monday or tuesday.

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as time allows, i continue winding my way through past message boards and threads (including the earlier posts of this thread) just to get a sense of – and glimpse into – the thoughts, speculation and known information of maura's disappearance over the years. so i apologize if i appear to drop into the middle of line of discourse here with some random observations; they are just the result of reviewing past conversations and then posting my reflections on them.
with that, while reading through the second web sleuths forum dedicated to maura's case, i was left with a couple thoughts and a question. the first thought is related to maura's atm withdrawal and how it relates to her intentions on the day she disappeared. i read a lot of speculation over the years about whether maura intended to get away for a short time, a long time or permanently. having not too long before been tracked down by police to her own dorm using a someone else's credit card number, she was obviously well aware that authorities were able to track her down using some form of payment other than cash. to me, that would seem to mean that when she took out most of her money in cash the day she disappeared, she was looking to be untrackable for as long as she wanted, or could with $280. she would know that, if she was trying to get away and to be found – for whatever reason(s)– she would need to rely on cash to do so. that one element alone seems to indicate she was looking to hide from someone or something. if she was simply getting away to think things over with the intent to return in a few days, it wouldn't matter if she used her credit or atm cards. no one would have the time or need to scour those records if she was returning after a brief hiatus.
the second thought i had is that, in all of the more recent threads (since maybe 2009-ish) about what was and wasn't found in maura's car and among her belongings, i recall hearing about her gym bag, toiletries, a change of clothes, running shoes, school textbooks, her copy of 'not without peril', a photo of her younger brother used as a bookmark, broken wine box, necklace, stuffed animal, a reciept for liquor (but not all the liquor itself), an emergency kit, aaa card, even a blue binder with a mysterious cd or dvd sticking out. what i don't ever remember reading about is her favorite photo of billy being found among the items. yet, reading through the web sleuths forum, there are a couple of posts by a frequent contributor that state for a fact they know there was such a photo found.
this, then, leads to the question(s). is it commonly known that maura's favorite photo of billy was also found in the car and people just no longer talk about it much? or is this bit of information as surprising to anyone else who has followed the case for a long time? i'm just sort of hoping to get some context for this information as it surprised me when i read it, but don't want to read too much into it if it's old news.

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Maruchan wrote:

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Wow. Are you nuts? Have you no morals whatsoever?!? Outing Orko's real name here? I felt bad for you when Beagle used that video of your child, but no more. You have NO scruples whatsoever.
And hey, dude, not sure what kind of family YOU come from, but I am female and have camped and backpacked for most of my life, and shared tents with my father, brothers, male friends, female friends, and dogs. It is NORMAL to do that. Each person doesn't carry their own freaking tent. I have shared hotel rooms with both of my brothers, as adults. There is nothing wrong with it. Only YOU think so, and only YOU are trying to make something out of it. Yeah, so you haven't come out and said Fred was sleeping with his daughter, but you allude to it a lot, and it is obvious that is going to be a huge slant in your book. There is NO WAY IN HELL you can say that those porn magazines with the photos of the cousins in it was ever seen or touched by Fred Murray. Other Murray relatives lived in that house. It was abandoned and full of trash, most likely occupied by transients - nobody knows whose magazines those were. Those photos could have been put in that magazine by ANYBODY. You have ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that they were put there by Fred Murray. NONE. Not even close.
I don't know the Murrays, have no connection with them, but I really really hate seeing somebody deliberately try to destroy another person and that is what you are doing with Fred Murray.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Jenkins wrote:

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If we're talking logically here how does her lying to we teachers about a death in the family indicate anything other than a plan to return to classes the following week? She was in a hard major. The kind of classes that you aren't allowed any excuses absences from except for health emergencies and deaths of family members. The fact that she took the trouble to make up this lie is a good indicator that she was plannin on returning to classes.
Why make up a lie to get excused absences if he's plannin on running away or suicide?? Her teachers WOULD NOT be looking for her, they wouldn't call her family, her friends, nothing. They'd mark her absent and that's that.
IMO the fact that he made up that low is one of the best indicators that she was plannin on returning to school, not start a new life. It seems to me any othe interpretation of that is trying to fit facts into a thory that just doesn't fit.
Maybe you could explain why she would need an excused absence if she was plannin on running away to BC, or anywhere for that matter? Or suicide? How does that make any sense?
She was at umass with 30,000 other students, not high school. They would not be looking for her if she missed class, the most they would do is Maybe ask one of her friends who was in the same class if they knew where Maura was, MAYBE, and that probably wouldn't be til the end of the week, certainly not on Monday or tuesday.

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Emmett Dove wrote:

What kind of sports Orko?

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why not tell the truth?
what was she covering up?

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Tang Zoi wrote:

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I believe there is a connection to BC. Why She left is still a mystery.

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Maruchan wrote:

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Wow. Are you nuts? Have you no morals whatsoever?!? Outing Orko's real name here? I felt bad for you when Beagle used that video of your child, but no more. You have NO scruples whatsoever.
And hey, dude, not sure what kind of family YOU come from, but I am female and have camped and backpacked for most of my life, and shared tents with my father, brothers, male friends, female friends, and dogs. It is NORMAL to do that. Each person doesn't carry their own freaking tent. I have shared hotel rooms with both of my brothers, as adults. There is nothing wrong with it. Only YOU think so, and only YOU are trying to make something out of it. Yeah, so you haven't come out and said Fred was sleeping with his daughter, but you allude to it a lot, and it is obvious that is going to be a huge slant in your book. There is NO WAY IN HELL you can say that those porn magazines with the photos of the cousins in it was ever seen or touched by Fred Murray. Other Murray relatives lived in that house. It was abandoned and full of trash, most likely occupied by transients - nobody knows whose magazines those were. Those photos could have been put in that magazine by ANYBODY. You have ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that they were put there by Fred Murray. NONE. Not even close.
I don't know the Murrays, have no connection with them, but I really really hate seeing somebody deliberately try to destroy another person and that is what you are doing with Fred Murray.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

What if wrote:**is it commonly known that maura's favorite photo of billy was also found in the car and people just no longer talk about it much? or is this bit of information as surprising to anyone else who has followed the case for a long time? i'm just sort of hoping to get some context for this information as it surprised me when i read it, but don't want to read too much into it if it's old news.**
I've been here for quite awhile and it's a surprise to me. I don't remember any talk about there being a picture of Billy found in the car but then, my memory isn't what it used to be.

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Tang Zoi wrote:

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I believe the pix was of Curtis, Her younger brother.

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Casual Observer wrote:

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When someone calls Renner's sources and purports to be working on his behalf, but that person in truth has no connection to Renner, then Renner has an obligation to set the record straight so others will not be similarly hoodwinked. Renner isn't trying to operate in this Topix "bubble" with fake unwritten rules that don't reflect the real world. He's trying to get through all the obfuscation.
You may not end up liking Renner--and that is fine--but too many people are jumping to extreme opinions before the book's first draft has even been written. He knows more than what is on his blog. That's the nature of his profession. The only standard by which your opinion of him should be cemented is by what he produces in his final product. To see parts and assume the whole, to put words in his mouth or to believe how others have twisted his words, well, this I respectfully don't understand.
There are hard questions to be asked in the search of any truth. Generally speaking, there are many in this bubble that seemingly don't want any questions to be asked if they don't fit a certain mold or point in a certain direction. Which begs the most obvious question: why so?
Let Renner do his thing. Help if you can. Judge him when his work is completed.
All just two cents from a casual observer of Renner and the Murray case.

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Snowy wrote:

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it's Kurtis with a "K", just fyi. Renner touches on some of the subjects that have been discussed on topix (again) over the last day.
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/famil...
this quote is from Websleuths...which i consider not to be a primary source of information....but it's interesting....even if the significance is reaching or the marked page was just chance / inadvertent. again, everything has been reviewed over several online places in many years.
11-13-2005, 04:41 PM
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Ok now some additional facts to mix in with my impressions of this case:
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The chapter of Nicholas Howe's book,Not Without Peril, which Mara had marked with a card was titled "A Question of Life or Death'' is book-marked with a Hallmark card and a photograph of Maura's brother Kurtis in a Little League uniform.

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Bink Winky wrote:

<quoted text>amen. Great post.

what if wrote:

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Actually, there are two specific posts that i read in the second forum dedicated to maura's disappearance in which the poster explicitly states that a favorite photo of billy was among the items found in the car.

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what if wrote:

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Actually, there are two specific posts that i read in the second forum dedicated to maura's disappearance in which the poster explicitly states that a favorite photo of billy was among the items found in the car. i am already aware of the photo of her younger brother that was used as a bookmark among the items (which i included in my list of known items recovered from the car), which is why i am curious about the two posts that state "for a fact" a favorite photo of billy was also among the items. i hadn't read that anywhere else since, but i didn't want to assume it was revelatory news in case it was already known.
the reason i haven't posted links to the specific posts from the web sleuths forum is that the poster who made these statements is fairly prolific on those threads. from my "tv" knowledge of investigations, investigators will often be cautious with the information made available to the public to see if someone knows more info than is publicly available. since i hadn't read about the photo of billy before, it made me think maybe the person who posted that info knows more than is publicly known. however, i also want to be cautious about mindlessly casting suspicion on folks that are blameless.
i wanted to ask about it here because the statement about the photo of billy was made twice – one of the times emphatically – but in the ensuing discussion, it was never addressed by any of the other thread participants. asking about it here, i was curious to know if it was common knowledge among those who have followed the case for a long time. i think i have my answer that it is not, which makes me wonder how the person who posted it knew it was among the items in her car when it was abandoned.