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Snowy wrote:
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conversely,you cannot be certain that an improper father / daughter relationship ddn't exist, or that the magazine and photos were "ever seen or touched by Fred Murray".
I agree. Casual observer and tinky binky also have sex with farm animals. Well I can't prove it, but I also can't prove that they don't, so might as well throw that out there and see if it sticks.
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Snowy wrote:
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it's Kurtis with a "K", just fyi. Renner touches on some of the subjects that have been discussed on topix (again) over the last day.
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/famil...
this quote is from Websleuths...which i consider not to be a primary source of information....but it's interesting....even if the significance is reaching or the marked page was just chance / inadvertent. again, everything has been reviewed over several online places in many years.
11-13-2005, 04:41 PM
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Ok now some additional facts to mix in with my impressions of this case:
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The chapter of Nicholas Howe's book,Not Without Peril, which Mara had marked with a card was titled "A Question of Life or Death'' is book-marked with a Hallmark card and a photograph of Maura's brother Kurtis in a Little League uniform.
The intro to that chapter reads (I bolded parts for emphasis & transcribed as best I could. Please forgive any typos):
"We try to make our lives safe. For every hazard there are warnings and barriers,for every bold assertion there are fallback positions,for every fallible device there are back-up systems and redundancies. Children go forth to play girded with armor for their head,face,teeth,elbows,knees, and any other part that may suffer assault. I've seen a step ladder with eighteen warning labels pasted to it,another with a six part lesson on how to avoid falling off, with attendant diagrams. If all else fails we go to court;when a piece of bridge masonry fell through the top of a convertible,the driver sued the car company for making a cloth top that wouldn't keep out falling masonry. So when we talk about questions of life or death, we usually don't mean it.
There do come times,though,perhaps only once in a lifetime,when we're really up against it,when there're no manual or guide or precedent,when we really do have to answer a question of life or death. The crew at Madison Hut had to do that one evening just as they were serving dinner to a full house,they were all college age and they were up against it."
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no, not mean and incendiary.

the bigger picture will include all of the features of her relationships and life before her disappearance, to include her her familial history, as well as circumstances up to and may include stranger intervention along the way to NH and beyond.

again, Renner, as an investigative journalist, is able to commit to the inquiry in spite of the push-back and resistance by those who refuse to accept Maura's life and relationships were more complicated than they appeared to be at first glance.

promoting the "All American Girl" image would not have been necessary under ordinary circumstances if her family had been honest and up front to the media. it was unnecessary to label her as flawless; she was significantly accomplished such that the public would not have lost interest if her father and family had been forthcoming.
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Greetings all! I have followed this disappearance in my spare time for a little over a year. Very intriguing to say the least. I would like to ask a couple of questions without being blasted(I know people want others to read every thread posting, but 1,446 pages is a lot).

The tandem driver theory sounds very good to me. It makes more sense than MM being abducted in that precise time window.

Does anyone think that the wreck could be an attempt to cover up damge from the "vasi hit-and-run"?

Have there been any theories on why someone put a sock in her tail pipe? Maybe to keep it warm while her driving partner came to get her? Suicide attempt? DIY emissions test?

Have there been any "family Vacations" to BC or Canada by relatives or close friends of MM?

Snowy - She may have been scared due to her circumstances, but also I know a few people(all girls for some reason) that tend to lie and make up stories when there is no need for it. I think there is a certain type of person that needs to have a positive public perception that is not consistent with their private behaviors.

Camping in the same tent is not odd in any way. I have daughters and there is nothing inappropriate about it. If they stayed at a fantasy suite motel, then yes there would be issues.

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no, not mean and incendiary.
the bigger picture will include all of the features of her relationships and life before her disappearance, to include her her familial history, as well as circumstances up to and may include stranger intervention along the way to NH and beyond.
again, Renner, as an investigative journalist, is able to commit to the inquiry in spite of the push-back and resistance by those who refuse to accept Maura's life and relationships were more complicated than they appeared to be at first glance.
promoting the "All American Girl" image would not have been necessary under ordinary circumstances if her family had been honest and up front to the media. it was unnecessary to label her as flawless; she was significantly accomplished such that the public would not have lost interest if her father and family had been forthcoming.
Book author/blogger and investigative journalist are completely not the same thing. Anyone can be a book author.
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I agree. Casual observer and tinky binky also have sex with farm animals. Well I can't prove it, but I also can't prove that they don't, so might as well throw that out there and see if it sticks.
but you have failed to directly comment on the link between bulimia and PTSD by rape, molestation or a number of variables around these issues.

Maura was, in fact, acting out. why?

it's fine to be an advocate; it's more logical to be a realist.
divorced and single fathers may raise daughters, and uncles also have close relationships with their nieces. if those relationships are healthy and are protected by boundaries, then fine. but often, a symptom of dysfunction is an eating disorder.

whether or not this connection can be made in Maura's case is at issue; whether her life was impacted by these possibilities cannot be definitively determined here. either way, yes or no, we cannot draw that conclusion without knowledge of more intimate, personal information.

people raised in family units with strong boundaries, or belonging to a different generation, may regard the practice of camping / sleeping and travel / sleeping with an opposite sex parent or friend to be off-putting or "weird".
similarly, these days, we now add some heightened suspicion surrounding same sex adults and children in those circumstances.

these are valid questions to ask, and points of mention, and i presume they would be considered and addressed by any professional in the course of an investigation of a missing person.
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Book author/blogger and investigative journalist are completely not the same thing. Anyone can be a book author.
i feel certain Renner can split hairs with you and defend his own resume.
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Book author/blogger and investigative journalist are completely not the same thing. Anyone can be a book author.
anyone can TRY to be a book author, but not everyone can. You need funding and loans from a publisher who thinks your book will generate a profit. Renner has proven this with previous books. Thanks for the slam, Clint. I'm off to have sex with my goat.

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Bink Winky wrote:
<quoted text>anyone can TRY to be a book author, but not everyone can. You need funding and loans from a publisher who thinks your book will generate a profit. Renner has proven this with previous books. Thanks for the slam, Clint. I'm off to have sex with my goat.
All you need is funding.

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i feel certain Renner can split hairs with you and defend his own resume.
I'm well aware of James and his resume and I stand by what I say.
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Does anyone think that the wreck could be an attempt to cover up damge from the "vasi hit-and-run"?

**for what any opinion is worth, i believe the Vasi hit COULD HAVE played into her leaving UMASS, and that the Saturn would have been involved at some level.**

Have there been any theories on why someone put a sock in her tail pipe? Maybe to keep it warm while her driving partner came to get her? Suicide attempt? DIY emissions test?

**there have been excuses made for placing/shoving/cramming/or hanging a cloth from the Saturn's tailpipe. none make sense to me.**

Have there been any "family Vacations" to BC or Canada by relatives or close friends of MM?

**good question. does she have relatives in Canada?**

Snowy - She may have been scared due to her circumstances, but also I know a few people(all girls for some reason) that tend to lie and make up stories when there is no need for it. I think there is a certain type of person that needs to have a positive public perception that is not consistent with their private behaviors.

**there are individuals of both genders who find it easy and necessary to routinely lie. there are pathological liars whom have habitually coped with their lives by lying and/or being in denial of reality. by not telling the truth, it's hard to measure her intent when she lied about a death in the family that did not occur. IMO, it doesn't matter how she hoped the lie would be interpreted. either way, it was misleading, and in the end, the consequences included not being able to trace back the source of her lie to help find her.**

Camping in the same tent is not odd in any way. I have daughters and there is nothing inappropriate about it. If they stayed at a fantasy suite motel, then yes there would be issues.

**i've offered a different explanation in a separate post.**
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Bink Winky wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the slam, Clint. I'm off to have sex with my goat.
in case you previously missed this, here's a goat's reply to you. i think you need to be more convincing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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in case you previously missed this, here's a goat's reply to you. i think you need to be more convincing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Does anyone know Spanish? Did he ask the goat for sex? An does anyone speak goat? I think the goat said No but not positive.
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Snowy - Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

I owned a business that employed many high-school and college aged kids and they all lied when it suited them. I never wonder too deeply about lying other than to say it is used to to get favorable outcomes, hide behavior, and/or create an image.

You bring up a good question. What support system could MM have in Canada? Distant relatives, college friends, cohorts from military school?

Also the failed attempt at a cabin rental makes me curious if she found other more suitable plans.
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Does anyone know Spanish? Did he ask the goat for sex? An does anyone speak goat? I think the goat said No but not positive.
i don't read / speak Spanish. regardless, it's an unhappy, spitting goat, as i presume most goats would be if solicited.
looks like a "no" to me.
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Fred Garvin wrote:
Snowy - Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.
I owned a business that employed many high-school and college aged kids and they all lied when it suited them. I never wonder too deeply about lying other than to say it is used to to get favorable outcomes, hide behavior, and/or create an image.
You bring up a good question. What support system could MM have in Canada? Distant relatives, college friends, cohorts from military school?
Also the failed attempt at a cabin rental makes me curious if she found other more suitable plans.
all good thoughts.
without knowing her destination and whether she had a traveling companion, or intended to meet up with someone who would pay her way, or with whom she could combine funds, i rest with the fact that her access to money was finite, and her ability to fund accommodations, food and transportation on her own was very limited.
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All you need is funding.
Orky- You come across very angry with JR as if something took place in your past . I had the vibe originally that you wanted to show up JR and write your own Book just to make him look bad. I think you really lost most people here with your whole londonderry VT thing.

In my opinion , you have really stubbed your toe and you are mad about that. You can be a good contributor but just need to step back a tad and let your dislike for JR go. Are you concerned about Maura or just advancing you career? Neither is working at the moment.

I just can't wrap my head around the way that you dealt with the Londonderry Vt thing and then turn around and bash renner for just saying how he looked upon the disappearance of Maura. I am sure that he has far more information than we are aware of. I am sure that many have contacted him that really don't want to post on Topix.

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Orky- You come across very angry with JR as if something took place in your past . I had the vibe originally that you wanted to show up JR and write your own Book just to make him look bad. I think you really lost most people here with your whole londonderry VT thing.
In my opinion , you have really stubbed your toe and you are mad about that. You can be a good contributor but just need to step back a tad and let your dislike for JR go. Are you concerned about Maura or just advancing you career? Neither is working at the moment.
I just can't wrap my head around the way that you dealt with the Londonderry Vt thing and then turn around and bash renner for just saying how he looked upon the disappearance of Maura. I am sure that he has far more information than we are aware of. I am sure that many have contacted him that really don't want to post on Topix.
I really don't think that much about James Renner. He seems to think I am obsessed with him or want to be like him and that is not at all the case.

Comparing the londonberry ping thing to him implying that maura and her dad are sleeping together is not even in the same ballpark or same planet. There are two londonderry's and it is believed maura went up 1-91 which would have her in the area of londonderry vermont at the time she checked her phone messages. It was not some far-fetched just throw it out there theory I came up with.

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for the official record

here are the only two posts I have had words with Maribeth Conway about and you all judge for yourself if I am trying to say I am working for or representing James Renner.(There is no other conversation (other than my list of questions to her) so we no longer have to go by my word versus James word. here is my exact complete correspondence with Maribeth.

First Correspondence.(my first ever contact with maribeth)

Maribeth,
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>>> I would love to talk some Maura Murray with you.
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>>> I am a professional journalist (of 11 years, albeit all of my time spent
>>> in sports).
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>>> But I have been captivated by this case and have spent mucho time
>>> gathering information and I have personally visited several locations of
>>> interest to this case.
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>>> I want to do some note comparing and get your theories about the case.
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>>> If interested, we can set-up a phone interview, or I can prepare questions
>>> vie email and shoot them your way and give you the chance to answer.
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>>> Lastly, just wanted to say that you did an excellent job with your series
>>> of articles you did on the case. I used those articles as my principle
>>> guide when i visited the amherst and New Hampshire areas and found your
>>> information to be spot on.
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>>> Thanks for your time and I hope to hear back from you.
>>>
>>> Clint Harting

Second Correspondence (my disclosure to Maribeth)

Maribeth,

That would be perfect.

I will send you over some questions later this evening and take your time with your responses.

Also let me know if you want to keep completely off the record and I will honor that request and just utilize the info you give me for my own knowledge.

I have contributed (photos) to the guy that is writing a book about the case (James Renner) but if you don't agree with his methods, then I give you my word that I won't release anything you say to him in any form.

I am also a regular contributor on websleuths and (franconia) topix about the case.

Thanks, Clint
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The message left on her boyfriend's cell phone is a point of confusion for me.

The message supposedly consisted of a female breathing, whimpering, and shivering, but was made from a calling card. You would have to be at payphone or landline to use a calling card, correct? If she had the cell phone her boyfriend paid for she could have used that, but if she was still in the area the cell phone would not have worked, assuming the cops and bus driver are correct about the cell service out there.
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Orko Kringer wrote:
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I really don't think that much about James Renner. He seems to think I am obsessed with him or want to be like him and that is not at all the case.
Comparing the londonberry ping thing to him implying that maura and her dad are sleeping together is not even in the same ballpark or same planet. There are two londonderry's and it is believed maura went up 1-91 which would have her in the area of londonderry vermont at the time she checked her phone messages. It was not some far-fetched just throw it out there theory I came up with.
I am only going by your postings and you seem to want top bash him at every step- not picking on you but just what I am seeing so I am sure that I am not the only one.

The londonderry thing was a good one to throw out but you presented it as absolute fact- Big difference.

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