Maura Murray

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Snowy wrote:

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1) Maura is one of the few listed as "missing". note the word "suspected". it is not definitive to abduction and/or homicide. foul play is a possibility, but the nature of foul play cannot be specified, as it is unknown.
2) the repeated use of the word "suicided" by only you and Roz is unusual. it's not common in my vocabulary...to commit or to have committed suicide are preferred usages. are you canadian? hmmm.

Euroobserver wrote:

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No, I´m not Canadian.
I´m Swedish.
And yes, I´m aware of the various usages.
Does it really matter that much in this context?

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Demand birth certificate wrote:

Bill/Jason.....hmmmmm???? Snowy anything to say?
The Unit compiled the first comprehensive, state-wide list of unsolved homicides, suspicious deaths, and missing persons cases, which are suspected to be homicides, which includes approximately 120 victims.
The following are the elements of a cold homicide case in New Hampshire:
1. The case involves a homicide (or suspected homicide in which the cause of death is undetermined but is suspected to be homicide or the victim is missing and suspected to be murdered).

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Snoopy wrote:

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Then don't do that shit to other people, sleeze bucket. Read what they actually write and respond approprately, dog face.

Demand birth certificate wrote:

Bill/Jason.....hmmmmm???? Snowy anything to say?
The Unit compiled the first comprehensive, state-wide list of unsolved homicides, suspicious deaths, and missing persons cases, which are suspected to be homicides, which includes approximately 120 victims.
The following are the elements of a cold homicide case in New Hampshire:
1. The case involves a homicide (or suspected homicide in which the cause of death is undetermined but is suspected to be homicide or the victim is missing and suspected to be murdered).

rozShoem wrote:

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WHAT a vocabulary! Says a lot about you.

Snowy wrote:

i'll be lunching now.
Penelope

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Pointless Endeavor wrote:

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I thought the call was to the Salamones' home in Wakefield, MA; an inquiry about a condo in Bartlett, NH. What difference does it make that it wasn't an automated reservation line? Where are you trying to go with this roz? Are you trying to insert doubt into the veracity of the caller's identity i.e. Maura? I'm curious.

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Snowy wrote:

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1) Maura is one of the few listed as "missing". note the word "suspected". it is not definitive to abduction and/or homicide. foul play is a possibility, but the nature of foul play cannot be specified, as it is unknown.
2) the repeated use of the word "suicided" by only you and Roz is unusual. it's not common in my vocabulary...to commit or to have committed suicide are preferred usages. are you canadian? hmmm.

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Euroobserver wrote:

I discovered
an article in the Eagle Tribune, NH, newspaper (10th October,2010) describing the work of the NHSP Cold Case Unit.
I found the definition of a "cold case" rather interesting.
Since Maura is being listed on the website of the NHSP Cold Case Unit, it would definitely seem that her case is being considered to be a matter of foul play.
Since this obviously is the opinion of the NHSP, there no longer seems to be any place or reason for any further arguments on this board whether Maura ran away, suicided or succumbed to the elements, etc.
The Eagle Tribune article also mentions that the NH Cold Case unit started its work only in December, 2009, and that its funding is assured until July 2012.
Excerpt from The Eagle Tribune (10th October,2010):
What is a cold case?
The following are the elements of a cold homicide case in New Hampshire:
1. The case involves a homicide (or suspected homicide in which the cause of death is undetermined but is suspected to be homicide or the victim is missing and suspected to be murdered).
2. The case is "unsolved," meaning in general that no one has been charged and convicted for killing the victim. However, a case may not qualify as "unsolved" even though no one has been convicted of the homicide for a number of reasons.
A case is not considered "unsolved" if there is evidence establishing the guilt of the suspect beyond a reasonable doubt (such as a confession, eyewitness identification, DNA, or other forensic evidence) but the suspect could not be brought to trial because he or she died.
A case does not qualify as "unsolved" if there was compelling evidence of guilt but the original suspect was tried and acquitted or could not be prosecuted for technical reasons. For example, a suspect may have been acquitted, or not prosecuted, because the killing was self-defense, or otherwise justified, or a confession or other conclusive evidence of guilt was excluded from the trial.
3. The original investigation did not result in an arrest, and the case remained inactive for more than one year due to a lack of viable or unexplored leads. A cold case may have been reactivated periodically over the course of time because new leads emerged. If the case was dormant for one consecutive year during any period of time prior to Sept. 1, 2009, without any active investigation, the case will be considered a cold case. However, cold cases do not include all cases that have been dormant for more than one year. For example, the suspect may be incarcerated on other charges, and for strategic reasons the police or prosecutors decided not to lodge criminal charges while the suspect was incarcerated.
Source: NH Cold Case Unit

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rozShoem wrote:

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Cold case?...

WTF wrote:

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And again, what did you think the response was going to be? Coast guard launching helicopters? Search teams being called out? National Guard on full alert? Maybe the other two officers in Haverhill coming in to scour the national forest? What the hell, I'm sure they had some free time. It is only the size of the state of Rhode Island. Exactly what did you think was going to happen? I know it might be hard for you to understand, I mean it's only been written several times. She was a walk away from a car accident. Something that is seen over and over especially when alcohol is involved. How many lives would you want to put at risk to search an area for someone that wasn't there, at night, in that terrain, in the dead of winter? This is not hyperbole. Searcher get hurt and sometimes killed all the time in circumstances such as this. So I'm just curious. A hasty search was done of the most likely avenues of escape. Standard procedure. Maura was not found to be in the area. What next? You wanted Fred called earlier and the police claimed that they did call. Maybe not leaving a message until later. If they had gotten in contact with Fred earlier and him stating "she wouldn't have run away" clearly which is wrong because she did run away from school. Let us assume that the police got that "pertinent" piece of information right when they found the car. What changes would you have made and to what ends? How would that have changed the outcome? How would that have made the outcome any different? I understand you might have felt better for whatever reason but bottom line, how would that have changed the outcome? Because isn't what you are really talking about? A changed outcome. The response done was standard procedure. You are not going to change that, though you are free to try. The reasons are simple. The first is the expense. It costs a small fortune to start a ground search let alone an aerial search, even a single helicopter. Without evidence she is in the area, it won't be done. That is what the hasty search tries to establish. The second is manpower. It requires a tremendous amount of manpower to do a ground search properly. The third is training. It requires a constant and continuous training to develop useful ground searchers. Not just people who stumble around in the woods getting themselves hurt and not seeing anything. The fourth is exhaustion. If you repeatedly call for searchers, who are mostly volunteers, they will stop coming out simply because they are exhausted doing searches and their real "day jobs". The fifth is apathy. If you repeatedly call for searchers at times when there is no need eventually the searchers, who are mostly volunteers and whose lives you are disrupting will stop coming out because it is "probably just another false report". The sixth is time. It takes time to organize and get all the searchers from disparate areas together to launch a search. They aren't all sitting at one location just waiting for your call. I hope this helps to explain, again, what a proper response is. Please let us know the kind of response you think should have happened and MORE IMPORTANTLY please tell us how it would have changed the fact that Maura disappeared minutes after she left that area. I understand LE doesn’t know what they were doing so please educate everyone here with your solution that would have prevented Maura from running away from school, crashing her car 200 miles from her previously known location, the location that all her family members believed her to be including Billy, and then leaving the crash area before the police got there. Everyone, including myself needs to know the solution to this to implement a correct response next time.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I said we should create a FAQ. We don’t have one but fortunately I have kept a list of some of the answers I have had to create. This one fits perfectly.
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Bill

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Demand birth certificate wrote:

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