Maura Murray

Thinking of Maura, especially today.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

<quoted text>The calls weren't to individuals-- They were reservation lines.

The call to Vermont was but not the other to Bartlett...

Snowy wrote:

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what the hernia are you talking about now?
"the abductor" does not exist as fact, whether dressed up as an LEO or the real deal.
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

A fine display of your verbal IQ. "The abductor theory is as good as runaway and/or suicide theories. In fact, given that MM left messages with some faculty members and her work supervisor is more indicative that she had planned to return to Amherst. Had she not planned to return...why would she have gone to the effort of phoning in an excuse for being away for a few days? The runaway and/or suicide avenue of thought makes absolutely no sense. Given that there have been other disappearances and actual bodies (remains) in fairly close proximity to where the Saturn slid off the highway, "abduction" theory makes sense. My understanding is that Christopher F's van was found not too far away (through woods) from where the Saturn left the highway....and then of course we have other cases such as that of Louise C. and Pamela W. as well as others. The people who live in that area report they feel very safe. Undoubtedly they most likely do feel safe. However, it seems that people visiting from outside of the area are running risk of disappearing or having their remains found in the White Mountains....and I've only mentioned MM, CF, PW and LC. There have been others who have met with similar fates.

mcsmom wrote:

Thinking of Maura, especially today.

Me too...and of her Dad, family and friends.

Thanks to Bryan of NorthCountry News for his article about Maura.

rozShoem wrote:

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The call to Vermont was but not the other to Bartlett...

I thought the call was to the Salamones' home in Wakefield, MA; an inquiry about a condo in Bartlett, NH. What difference does it make that it wasn't an automated reservation line? Where are you trying to go with this roz? Are you trying to insert doubt into the veracity of the caller's identity i.e. Maura? I'm curious.

Shack wrote:

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Me too...and of her Dad, family and friends.
Thanks to Bryan of NorthCountry News for his article about Maura.

Shack, I can't seem to find this article. What I can find is a letter on the Opinion page about Maura in the February 4th edition.
Can you post a link, please?

God Bless MM.

Praying for Maura on the 7th anniversary of her disappearance.

Had she not planned to return...why would she have gone to the effort of phoning in an excuse for being away for a few days?

**because she was possibly lying to cover up a certain relationship? or circumstance?

The runaway and/or suicide avenue of thought makes absolutely no sense.

**of course they do.**

Given that there have been other disappearances and actual bodies (remains) in fairly close proximity to where the Saturn slid off the highway, "abduction" theory makes sense. My understanding is that Christopher F's van was found not too far away (through woods) from where the Saturn left the highway....and then of course we have other cases such as that of Louise C. and Pamela W. as well as others.

**how many years ago? don't answer the question. it's rhetorical.**

The people who live in that area report they feel very safe. Undoubtedly they most likely do feel safe. However, it seems that people visiting from outside of the area are running risk of disappearing or having their remains found in the White Mountains....and I've only mentioned MM, CF, PW and LC. There have been others who have met with similar fates.

**foolish talk and unconvincing....unless one has an obsession / fear of violence, rape and abduction.**

It is 7 years tonight when Maura Murrays Saturn was found in NH. Disappeared. My heart goes out to her family.

Shack, Bryan also talked about Maura on the radio appealing to the public.

rozShoem wrote:

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The call to Vermont was but not the other to Bartlett...

My understanding is that the call to Bartlett went through to the reservation line, not the home #. The Salamones lived in Mass. at the time.

Snowy wrote:

Had she not planned to return...why would she have gone to the effort of phoning in an excuse for being away for a few days?
**because she was possibly lying to cover up a certain relationship? or circumstance?
The runaway and/or suicide avenue of thought makes absolutely no sense.
**of course they do.**
Given that there have been other disappearances and actual bodies (remains) in fairly close proximity to where the Saturn slid off the highway, "abduction" theory makes sense. My understanding is that Christopher F's van was found not too far away (through woods) from where the Saturn left the highway....and then of course we have other cases such as that of Louise C. and Pamela W. as well as others.
**how many years ago? don't answer the question. it's rhetorical.**
The people who live in that area report they feel very safe. Undoubtedly they most likely do feel safe. However, it seems that people visiting from outside of the area are running risk of disappearing or having their remains found in the White Mountains....and I've only mentioned MM, CF, PW and LC. There have been others who have met with similar fates.
**foolish talk and unconvincing....unless one has an obsession / fear of violence, rape and abduction.**

Honestly Snowy, I do feel very safe when I am there. My vacation home is about a mile from where the Saturn was found -- the same development as the infamous A frame in fact. Some people go to theat area as well as the extended end of 112 to get back to basics, some poeple go there to take their own life...and as was a case in the 80's or 90's, a husband took his wife's life (though I'm not sure it was ever proven) To this day though, I feel safer in Haverhill than I do in my full time residence in RI. I know who the regulars are in my area---I don't take unnecessary risks when I'm there (such as drive a vehicle that is running poorly) and I take the necessary precautions with outerwear (heavy jacket, gloves, hat etc) when I am venturing out--even for a short ride or walk. I also ALWAYS let my family and/or friends know that I am going up there. those are all things that I think Maura would be aware of needing to do---I continue to think that the beginning of the story is in Amherst and her vehicle ended up in NH, not necessarily driven there by Maura.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

<quoted text> Honestly Snowy, I do feel very safe when I am there. My vacation home is about a mile from where the Saturn was found -- the same development as the infamous A frame in fact. Some people go to theat area as well as the extended end of 112 to get back to basics, some poeple go there to take their own life...and as was a case in the 80's or 90's, a husband took his wife's life (though I'm not sure it was ever proven) To this day though, I feel safer in Haverhill than I do in my full time residence in RI. I know who the regulars are in my area---I don't take unnecessary risks when I'm there (such as drive a vehicle that is running poorly) and I take the necessary precautions with outerwear (heavy jacket, gloves, hat etc) when I am venturing out--even for a short ride or walk. I also ALWAYS let my family and/or friends know that I am going up there. those are all things that I think Maura would be aware of needing to do---I continue to think that the beginning of the story is in Amherst and her vehicle ended up in NH, not necessarily driven there by Maura.

i am surprised and delighted that we are in agreement, L4M, as i normally expect to stand alone. i cannot believe that the location of the Saturn was/is for any reason any less safe than rural roads i have traveled alone in VT, or deserted beach roads here or in RI. i do feel unsafe if stopping at a highway rest area that is not well populated, however....and so i don't.
how unusual that MM would not be properly dressed if heading north from MA on this day in February of any year.
i wholeheartedly agree with your final sentence, if only by commonsense and intuition. and that is not to suggest MM was at fault for her own disappearance. it is just a reasonable conclusion to make, imo.

mcsmom wrote:

Thinking of Maura, especially today.

It's been a long time since 7 and here it is 7 years ago today. Hope someone somewhere with the needed information will feel it within their heart to come forward to the NH Cold Case Unit.

Anne wrote:

It is 7 years tonight when Maura Murrays Saturn was found in NH. Disappeared. My heart goes out to her family.
Shack, Bryan also talked about Maura on the radio appealing to the public.

Thank you Anne, for that information about the radio transmission
with Bryan. Good to know.
I have asked before if any other local newspapers wrote anything about Maura recently...such as Journal Opinion, Littleton Courier,
Valley News, Bridge, Caledonian etc etc. I have called friends up
there and nobody has seen or read anything about the disappearance of Maura in any local newspapers.

I discovered
an article in the Eagle Tribune, NH, newspaper (10th October,2010) describing the work of the NHSP Cold Case Unit.
I found the definition of a "cold case" rather interesting.
Since Maura is being listed on the website of the NHSP Cold Case Unit, it would definitely seem that her case is being considered to be a matter of foul play.
Since this obviously is the opinion of the NHSP, there no longer seems to be any place or reason for any further arguments on this board whether Maura ran away, suicided or succumbed to the elements, etc.
The Eagle Tribune article also mentions that the NH Cold Case unit started its work only in December, 2009, and that its funding is assured until July 2012.
Excerpt from The Eagle Tribune (10th October,2010):

What is a cold case?

The following are the elements of a cold homicide case in New Hampshire:

1. The case involves a homicide (or suspected homicide in which the cause of death is undetermined but is suspected to be homicide or the victim is missing and suspected to be murdered).

2. The case is "unsolved," meaning in general that no one has been charged and convicted for killing the victim. However, a case may not qualify as "unsolved" even though no one has been convicted of the homicide for a number of reasons.

A case is not considered "unsolved" if there is evidence establishing the guilt of the suspect beyond a reasonable doubt (such as a confession, eyewitness identification, DNA, or other forensic evidence) but the suspect could not be brought to trial because he or she died.

A case does not qualify as "unsolved" if there was compelling evidence of guilt but the original suspect was tried and acquitted or could not be prosecuted for technical reasons. For example, a suspect may have been acquitted, or not prosecuted, because the killing was self-defense, or otherwise justified, or a confession or other conclusive evidence of guilt was excluded from the trial.

3. The original investigation did not result in an arrest, and the case remained inactive for more than one year due to a lack of viable or unexplored leads. A cold case may have been reactivated periodically over the course of time because new leads emerged. If the case was dormant for one consecutive year during any period of time prior to Sept. 1, 2009, without any active investigation, the case will be considered a cold case. However, cold cases do not include all cases that have been dormant for more than one year. For example, the suspect may be incarcerated on other charges, and for strategic reasons the police or prosecutors decided not to lodge criminal charges while the suspect was incarcerated.

Source: NH Cold Case Unit

Euroobserver wrote:

I found the definition of a "cold case" rather interesting.
Since Maura is being listed on the website of the NHSP Cold Case Unit, it would definitely seem that her case is being considered to be a matter of foul play.
Since this obviously is the opinion of the NHSP, there no longer seems to be any place or reason for any further arguments on this board whether Maura ran away, suicided or succumbed to the elements, etc.
Source: NH Cold Case Unit

As is often the case it pays to read all the way to the bottom of the definitions. This is likely the definition of why Maura's case is considered a cold case. It certainly doesn't insinuate that Maura is missing for any specific known reason. Any reason due to definition three would make it a cold case. It says nothing about why she might have disappeared. So the manner of her disappearance is in no way resolved in any measure. Unless the NHSP comes out and says it has evidence supporting anything other than runaway/suicide/left for good/death by exposure, it is still the only this that fits the evidence at this time. Her reasons for her missing is as it was before, unknown.

"3. The original investigation did not result in an arrest, and the case remained inactive for more than one year due to a lack of viable or unexplored leads. A cold case may have been reactivated periodically over the course of time because new leads emerged. If the case was dormant for one consecutive year during any period of time prior to Sept. 1, 2009, without any active investigation, the case will be considered a cold case. "

Bill

A review of the page show that you have likely cherry picked information about unsolved murders on the Cold Case squad, not general information about the Cold Case unit itself. This is the mandate of the Cold Case unit.

"The Cold Case Unit was organized in the Fall of 2009 to combine the experience of the Attorney General's Office, the Major Crime Unit, and a city detective. The Unit is staffed with a prosecutor and three detectives who will focus on reviewing unsolved homicides, unresolved suspicious deaths, and missing person cases in which foul play is suspected in the person's disappearance."

As stated before, the assumption by the police at this point that there may be foul play involved is the logical approach to this case. It doesn't mean that is what happened, it makes sense to approach it in that fashion at this point.

Jason

Snowy wrote:

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the language identifies her as a missing person:
http://doj.nh.gov/coldcaseunit/listing/maura-...
however, in the purpose statement, mention is of "...missing person cases in which foul play is suspected in the person's disappearance." abduction and homicide is not specified.
"The Cold Case Unit was organized in the Fall of 2009 to combine the experience of the Attorney General's Office, the Major Crime Unit, and a city detective. The Unit is staffed with a prosecutor and three detectives who will focus on reviewing unsolved homicides, unresolved suspicious deaths, and missing person cases in which foul play is suspected in the person's disappearance."

bump

Snowy wrote:

correction:
abduction and homicide is not specified in MM's case, although they may be features of other cold cases, at least to my understanding.

bump

Euroobserver wrote:

I discovered
an article in the Eagle Tribune, NH, newspaper (10th October,2010) describing the work of the NHSP Cold Case Unit.
I found the definition of a "cold case" rather interesting.
Since Maura is being listed on the website of the NHSP Cold Case Unit, it would definitely seem that her case is being considered to be a matter of foul play.
Since this obviously is the opinion of the NHSP, there no longer seems to be any place or reason for any further arguments on this board whether Maura ran away, suicided or succumbed to the elements, etc.
The Eagle Tribune article also mentions that the NH Cold Case unit started its work only in December, 2009, and that its funding is assured until July 2012.
Excerpt from The Eagle Tribune (10th October,2010):
What is a cold case?
The following are the elements of a cold homicide case in New Hampshire:
1. The case involves a homicide (or suspected homicide in which the cause of death is undetermined but is suspected to be homicide or the victim is missing and suspected to be murdered).
2. The case is "unsolved," meaning in general that no one has been charged and convicted for killing the victim. However, a case may not qualify as "unsolved" even though no one has been convicted of the homicide for a number of reasons.
A case is not considered "unsolved" if there is evidence establishing the guilt of the suspect beyond a reasonable doubt (such as a confession, eyewitness identification, DNA, or other forensic evidence) but the suspect could not be brought to trial because he or she died.
A case does not qualify as "unsolved" if there was compelling evidence of guilt but the original suspect was tried and acquitted or could not be prosecuted for technical reasons. For example, a suspect may have been acquitted, or not prosecuted, because the killing was self-defense, or otherwise justified, or a confession or other conclusive evidence of guilt was excluded from the trial.
3. The original investigation did not result in an arrest, and the case remained inactive for more than one year due to a lack of viable or unexplored leads. A cold case may have been reactivated periodically over the course of time because new leads emerged. If the case was dormant for one consecutive year during any period of time prior to Sept. 1, 2009, without any active investigation, the case will be considered a cold case. However, cold cases do not include all cases that have been dormant for more than one year. For example, the suspect may be incarcerated on other charges, and for strategic reasons the police or prosecutors decided not to lodge criminal charges while the suspect was incarcerated.
Source: NH Cold Case Unit

1) Maura is one of the few listed as "missing". note the word "suspected". it is not definitive to abduction and/or homicide. foul play is a possibility, but the nature of foul play cannot be specified, as it is unknown.

2) the repeated use of the word "suicided" by only you and Roz is unusual. it's not common in my vocabulary...to commit or to have committed suicide are preferred usages. are you canadian? hmmm.