Maura Murray

One thing is 100% fact.

Nobody knows for sure who was @ the Saturn that evening, the person that talked to SBD. NOBODY.

There once was a lass named Miss Murray
Who departed UMass in a hurry.
Died from cold or the chugs
Or murdered by thugs?
The 'facts' are increasingly blurry.

limerick101 wrote:

There once was a lass named Miss Murray
Who departed UMass in a hurry.
Died from cold or the chugs
Or murdered by thugs?
The 'facts' are increasingly blurry.

GROW UP.....

There is a detective named Tang
Who puts up with endless harangue.
Should we take his word
Or's he tossing a turd?
He's an integral part of the gang.

I'm trying to keep this all straight....

Does anyone know what CA died from?

Snowy wrote:

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or Rooney or anyone with a penis. i mean, the man-fear has been proven by all the frightened women that have shown up here en masse in the past. now it's Keyes.

that's complete BS, and a REALLY interesting way to dismiss a potential suspect.

sophie bean wrote:

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that's complete BS, and a REALLY interesting way to dismiss a potential suspect.

i don't make stuff up. those fears were well documented in the days of EWB et al. not really interesting, just an unfortunate way for some women to view the wirkd.

world

The FBI shared information about Israel Keyes with NH investigators, although NH AAG Jane Young would not comment as to whether Keyes is a suspect in the cases of Celina Cass, Louise Chaput or Maura Murray.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120729/N...

If the Saturn wasn’t processed for DNA or fingerprints then it may never be possible to rule Israel Keyes in or out. It would be interesting to know if he was in the area though.

Frostman wrote:

The FBI shared information about Israel Keyes with NH investigators, although NH AAG Jane Young would not comment as to whether Keyes is a suspect in the cases of Celina Cass, Louise Chaput or Maura Murray.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120729/N...
If the Saturn wasn’t processed for DNA or fingerprints then it may never be possible to rule Israel Keyes in or out. It would be interesting to know if he was in the area though.

Hope You are CHILLIN...Frosty..!

Agree....NO REAL evidence was taken from saturn other than contents, airbags and towel from tailpipe.

Rooney is still alive....would be interesting to know IF He has been questioned. His name was given to NHSP, VTSP and FBI.

it's likely the authorities will update you on a need to know basis about Rooney so he can be charged by online sleuthers.

Snowy wrote:

it's likely the authorities will update you on a need to know basis about Rooney so he can be charged by online sleuthers.

You just have to be Sarcastic......"It would be interesting to know"

You are becoming more like Bill everyday.

Jenkins wrote:

He stopped and ssaid he was gonna call the cops, wow that's really helpful. How about calling a tow truck instead of the cops? How about offerig his phone so she could call for a tow and her family for a ride? NOPE, he wanted to call the cops, yea some hero we got there, really impressive heroing..

Jenkins - I guess you are lucky enough to not have your life changed by getting a phone call that changes your life. You know like your sister - or mom and dad were just hit by a drunk driver. I guess the cool thing to do when someone crashes while drinking and driving is to help them escape the consequences. If you have to wheel around a family memeber who was hurt by a drunk driver you would realize that you call the police and let them deal with it. Not call them a tow treck so maybe they get off from it.

So if SBD did prevent a future DWI crash and someone getting hurt or dying he is the hero.

Jenkins wrote:

And then Bill's garbage about SBD being the 'silent hero' who ' didn't want attention' or 'recognition' for what he did is just simply delusional.. Didn't want any attention? Silent Hero? WTH is WTH talking about?? THe guy did every TV, newpaper, hell he may have even done radio interviews for all I know, that he could. THe guy was on TV, in newspaper articles, the guy was out there, telling multiple different stories. Ya see, that's why I can call him a liar, because he did so many interviews with the media,I can prove its true. He told at least 3 different versions of events of that night, Maybe even 4. So that means he must've lied AT LEAST twice, probably all 3 times. Someone tells two different versions of the same story you gotta figure the third is a lie too. The fact is probably all versions of his story have some parts truth and you could probably piece together what really happened if you really wanted to take the time & analyze his interviews So we know he lied at least twice, that's pretty bad.
Back on the old forums the SBD cclearly got it the worst, but that was because he deserved it. He deserved to have questions asked about him. You're the last person to see a girl alive and you tell miltiple versions of events people are going to question your involvement, that's simple logic. Any idiot should know that, idk what he thought he was doing when he did multiple interviews telling a different storyeach time ut make no mistake, he loved the attention. He loved his little 2 seconds in the spotlighe as the 'hero' who tried to save the day. He even told one paper that he was a former cop in MA the guy lloved that the media wanted to talk to him and for some reason couldb't keep his story straight. That is suspicous, it's now pretty clear that it waas next to impossible for him to have anyhting to do with it, but back then people had a right to discuss his possible involvement. That's how it goes, if he didn't want the negative attentiion he shouldn't have put himeslf in the spotlight to get all the attention, or he should've at least gotten his story straiight. Notice nobodies questioning the wmans or the myottes invilvement, their story always stayed the same, always was conistent, there was nothing to question about it; SBD was a completely different case.
And then you make it out as if people like shack just spewed hatred about this guy 24/7 and the attacks on his character were merciless andthe SBD was attacked and attacked.

I don't have time nor do I want to read through these book length stories.
I will say that the SBD was trusted to drive our children on a school bus to school and after school activities. He also was trusted to teach them Hunter's Safety course. To do these things you must have a thorough background check and an impeccable reputation.
SBD did not go around begging to be interviewd. Since he happened to be the nice person that stopped to help he was hounded by strangers and questioned a million times.
Jenkins wrote:***Back on the old forums the SBD cclearly got it the worst, but that was because he deserved it.***
I thought you told us that the old forum was such a nicer forum where there was no bashing, accusations or unfriendly talk.You just contridicted yourself.
Some of Butch's last words were that he wished he never stopped that night.
Jenkins you have no idea what you are talking about. The bovine feces that spews from you is unbelievable. There's enough to fill a fleet of TT's.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I don't have time nor do I want to read through these book length stories.
I will say that the SBD was trusted to drive our children on a school bus to school and after school activities. He also was trusted to teach them Hunter's Safety course. To do these things you must have a thorough background check and an impeccable reputation.
SBD did not go around begging to be interviewd. Since he happened to be the nice person that stopped to help he was hounded by strangers and questioned a million times.
Jenkins wrote:***Back on the old forums the SBD cclearly got it the worst, but that was because he deserved it.***
I thought you told us that the old forum was such a nicer forum where there was no bashing, accusations or unfriendly talk.You just contridicted yourself.
Some of Butch's last words were that he wished he never stopped that night.
Jenkins you have no idea what you are talking about. The bovine feces that spews from you is unbelievable. There's enough to fill a fleet of TT's.

You don't have time...but you do.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - I guess you are lucky enough to not have your life changed by getting a phone call that changes your life. You know like your sister - or mom and dad were just hit by a drunk driver. I guess the cool thing to do when someone crashes while drinking and driving is to help them escape the consequences. If you have to wheel around a family memeber who was hurt by a drunk driver you would realize that you call the police and let them deal with it. Not call them a tow treck so maybe they get off from it.
So if SBD did prevent a future DWI crash and someone getting hurt or dying he is the hero.

ummmm, OK but who's the drunk driver you're talking about? It definitely wasn't Maura, yea she must've had at least a drink, but that doesn't make you a drunk driver, that makes you a driver with an open containter, which is a ticket, not an arrest.

The SBD said she did NOT appear intoxicated. The other witnesses who saw her from their homes didn't say she was stumbling, staggering, slipping on the ice and snow or anything that you would expect from someone who is drunk. She may have had a drink on her way up, which is wrong, but she was NOT drunk. There isn't even ONE witness who reported anything resembling her looking drunk. SBD said she wasn't, and the other witnesses saw her walking around her car getting her stuff together just fine.

So the question is: who is this drunk driver you're talking about that the SBD 'saved the world' from?? He said she was NOT drunk so who are you talking about??

Have you had to wheel around a family member who got hurt by a drunk driver or something? If so then I'm sorry about that but Maura was NOT drunk, there is absolutely NOTHING to support that ASSUMPTION that you and several others constantly state as fact.

And btw, unfortunately I've known a couple different people that have died due to drunk drivers; a very good friend of mine from my childdhood actually. So don't give me no bullshit about not knowing anyone who's been killed or injured by a drunk driver, BC i do. You have no idea who I am, your utter lack of understanding is staggering to me.
Since SBD clearly said that Maura was NOT intoxicated, then he definitely did not save anyone from a drunk driver, certainly not a hero for that. I agree that if there's a drunk driver crashed in front of your house, then call the cops and let them deal with it. But when theres a young girl who's not intoxicated and just got in a very minor one car accident in front of your house, you offer your house to use the phone so she can call AAA, no need for the cops in a situation like that. Besides the cops being a pain in the ass and making things take way longer then they need to, did she really need to have another crash on her insurance? For no other reason that's why it's a dick move to call the cops after a minor one car accident when there's absolutely no legal requirement for the cops to be there and most normal people know that, it can mess up people's insurance and make their rate go through the roof.

Jenkins wrote:

For no other reason that's why it's a dick move to call the cops after a minor one car accident when there's absolutely no legal requirement for the cops to be there and most normal people know that, it can mess up people's insurance and make their rate go through the roof.

Amazing you say this. Had he not called the police how bad would he look now?

Jenkins wrote:

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ummmm, OK but who's the drunk driver you're talking about? It definitely wasn't Maura, yea she must've had at least a drink, but that doesn't make you a drunk driver, that makes you a driver with an open containter, which is a ticket, not an arrest.
The SBD said she did NOT appear intoxicated. The other witnesses who saw her from their homes didn't say she was stumbling, staggering, slipping on the ice and snow or anything that you would expect from someone who is drunk. She may have had a drink on her way up, which is wrong, but she was NOT drunk. There isn't even ONE witness who reported anything resembling her looking drunk. SBD said she wasn't, and the other witnesses saw her walking around her car getting her stuff together just fine.
So the question is: who is this drunk driver you're talking about that the SBD 'saved the world' from?? He said she was NOT drunk so who are you talking about??
Have you had to wheel around a family member who got hurt by a drunk driver or something? If so then I'm sorry about that but Maura was NOT drunk, there is absolutely NOTHING to support that ASSUMPTION that you and several others constantly state as fact.
And btw, unfortunately I've known a couple different people that have died due to drunk drivers; a very good friend of mine from my childdhood actually. So don't give me no bullshit about not knowing anyone who's been killed or injured by a drunk driver, BC i do. You have no idea who I am, your utter lack of understanding is staggering to me.
Since SBD clearly said that Maura was NOT intoxicated, then he definitely did not save anyone from a drunk driver, certainly not a hero for that. I agree that if there's a drunk driver crashed in front of your house, then call the cops and let them deal with it. But when theres a young girl who's not intoxicated and just got in a very minor one car accident in front of your house, you offer your house to use the phone so she can call AAA, no need for the cops in a situation like that. Besides the cops being a pain in the ass and making things take way longer then they need to, did she really need to have another crash on her insurance? For no other reason that's why it's a dick move to call the cops after a minor one car accident when there's absolutely no legal requirement for the cops to be there and most normal people know that, it can mess up people's insurance and make their rate go through the roof.

Yada Yada......You spew a lot but say nothing.

Another on....

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text>I don't have time nor do I want to read through these book length stories.
I will say that the SBD was trusted to drive our children on a school bus to school and after school activities. He also was trusted to teach them Hunter's Safety course. To do these things you must have a thorough background check and an impeccable reputation.
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Jenkins wrote:***Back on the old forums the SBD cclearly got it the worst, but that was because he deserved it.***
I thought you told us that the old forum was such a nicer forum where there was no bashing, accusations or unfriendly talk.You just contridicted yourself.
Some of Butch's last words were that he wished he never stopped that night.
.

There, you just made my point. He was trusted with driving school children to school and even teach a hunters saety course apparently, so his reputation certainly was not hurt in any way it was 'impeccable'. Nobody has ever been able to show me one shred of tangible evidence that his life was effected negatively in any tangible way..
And yes he got it the worst, and deservably so; but hat still doesn't mean that it was an all out bash on SBD fest going on or anything, very very far form it actually. There were people askng questions that deserved to be asked. Again, when you're the last known person to interact with a girl who subsequently went missing, and you tell multiple lies about what happened, people are going to quesiton your involvement, plain and simple. There is a HUGE differece between bashing/accusing someone of something and questioning whether that person MIGHT have been involved, huge difference. Two different things. SBD had the most questions asked about him, and rightfully so.
SBD brought everything he got on himself, which was actually pretty mild considering the multiple lies he told regarding that night. Very rarely was anyone outright accusing him, there were people questioning his POSSIBLE involvment and there was ALWAYS someone else there pointing out the reasons for why it would've been next to impossible for SBD to be responsible for her dissapearance. Also, anytime anyone did accuse him someone always pointed out that he was most likely innocent. He got it the worst but it was very very mild considering.
So no, actually I didn't contradict myself at all in any way; if you're going to comment on my posts maybe you should read the whole thing instead of picking out one little snippet that makes no sense in relation to the whole, otherwise why don't you just pass over my posts? If they're so stupid and so full of 'bovine feces'(I love how you stole that from Shack LOL), then why don't you just pass them over? I know my posts last night were long but honestly I felt they had to be to get the point I was trying to make across properly; which you clearly missed.
To call him a 'silent hero' is just simply insane, he DEFINITELY wasn't even close to silent and he wasn't exactly a hero either. He stopped when he sw a girl on the side of the rd, something you're SUPPOSED to do if you're able. I know he said he wished he never stopped but what he really should've been sayng was 'I wish I never lied about it to the public'' or 'I wish I got my story straight'. It wasn't the stopping that made people question him, it was the LYING.
And don't give me any crap about him not wanting the attention!! Wanna talk about a load of 'bovine feces'?? That's the bovine feces, sorry but you don't do that many interveiws if you aren't enjoying the attention. He loved it at the time, he was the 'hero' who tried to help her; too bad he lied so many times and it came back and bit him in the ass.
The fact that Bill used to end posts with 'in memory of SBD' but would NEVER write 'in memory of Maura' afterr a post is ttruly sickening. The guy cares more about some SBD who told multiple lies than a young girl who went missing and probably got murdered?! Really?! Just unbelievable

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Amazing you say this. Had he not called the police how bad would he look now?

That's my whole point, he would't look bad at all, we most likely never would've ever heard of the guy or MM. If instead of saying he was calling the cops he said that she could walk to his house and his wife and mother were home and she could use the phone to call AAA and herr family, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now.