Maura Murray

findmaura wrote:

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Ive followed your advice& read up on this Herb Baumeister character..Im really not sure why he'd be of any interest to me..He seems to have taken to gay men.I see the concern you may have had for your safety.:)

The point really was about the money he made in the thrift business and the fact that he was a sociopath. He made a fortune profiting from peoples donations.
I find it interesting that after bragging about the handsome profits you make, and getting called on this bragging, you come back and say it's all for charity. Why didn't you say so in the first place? By the way, I'm neither rich nor poor, but I go to savers in Nashua now and then to donate and also to browse, and occasionally make purchases. They actually have a pretty good book section, but then again, so does my local transfer station. ; )

there is very little left to say "about Maura" that hasn't previously been written, researched, discussed, dissected, fought over and coming to no conclusion.
facts, not fantasy, feelings and "careing" are what matters. even more important, in any investigative matter, is the official record with law enforcement.

Does anyone know if they measured the remaining volume of the opened container/box of wine she was drinking from? If they know how much was left in the container they could tell whether she was likely buzzed or not.

It would also change my perspective on things a bit if she was likely just buzzed or not even drunk.

Fred Garvin wrote:

Does anyone know if they measured the remaining volume of the opened container/box of wine she was drinking from? If they know how much was left in the container they could tell whether she was likely buzzed or not.
It would also change my perspective on things a bit if she was likely just buzzed or not even drunk.

Good question Fred, but the thing is that it appeared that the red liquid (wine) was splattered in the car from the accident (broken wine box). It would be difficult to determine how much she may have drunk while driving vs what was lost from the wreck.

Snowy wrote:

there is very little left to say "about Maura" that hasn't previously been written, researched, discussed, dissected, fought over and coming to no conclusion.
facts, not fantasy, feelings and "careing" are what matters. even more important, in any investigative matter, is the official record with law enforcement.

I actually agree with this sentiment and that is one of the reasons this forum is so toxic. I see maybe another two years and this forum will expire. There will probably be some stuff in the spring (Renner) to talk about and then will be the talk of his book and unless new clues come about then this thread will go bye bye. many posters that wanted to talk about Maura are now gone and very few if any wants to join in this mess.

JWB wrote:

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Good question Fred, but the thing is that it appeared that the red liquid (wine) was splattered in the car from the accident (broken wine box). It would be difficult to determine how much she may have drunk while driving vs what was lost from the wreck.

JWB - Thanks for the reply. Now that you mention that I do remember it. I wonder if the coppers have contacted every rental from the accident on to bartlett to see who showed up and who didn't, etc. It is odd that untrained observers can have good instincts that trained professionals don't have or won't follow up on.

Fred Garvin wrote:

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JWB - Thanks for the reply. Now that you mention that I do remember it. I wonder if the coppers have contacted every rental from the accident on to bartlett to see who showed up and who didn't, etc. It is odd that untrained observers can have good instincts that trained professionals don't have or won't follow up on.

Fred,

Respectfully, One of the problems here,imho, concerning peoples critique of what LE has or hasn't done, is in the assumption that we know everything that they have done. How do you know that these trained observers don't have good instincts, and further, how do you know that they haven't indeed looked into rentals? I'm not trying to troll you here. You ask good questions,but, surely you realize that "the coppers" in this case, consist of multi agency professionals with a vast amount of combined years of experience and instincts?

Fred Garvin wrote:

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JWB - Thanks for the reply. Now that you mention that I do remember it. I wonder if the coppers have contacted every rental from the accident on to bartlett to see who showed up and who didn't, etc. It is odd that untrained observers can have good instincts that trained professionals don't have or won't follow up on.

I agree Fred, I have thought and wondered the same thing. I would hope that motels etc in not only Bartlett but Lincoln, Franconia and so on were checked out. I would hope gas stations nearby were also checked out for surveillance. I have a feeling that LE may have initially thought Maura was a run away or suicide hence possibly waited to long to obtain tapes. I could be wrong as this is just my feeling on it.

The coppers didn't follow up on the Salamone phone call( per SR) so either they had info that pointed in another direction or they were short on resources.

Advocator wrote:

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LE can request search warrants until they are blue in the face, but unless they have enough Probable Cause for doing a search, persuading a judge or magistrate to grant the search warrant would be unlikely. We have laws to protect us from unreasonable search and/or seizure. If we didn't, then LE could just come in to anyone's house for any reason or no reason and turn it upside down, dig up the yard, basically do anything they wanted to do.
LE has to have a good reason, hunches don't cut it.

It is amazing to me that some people on this forum don't have even the most basic of understandings of the underpinnings or our legal system. Or that they would "wish" that things could be done in such a matter.

To not know about the reasons for the fourth amendment and the reasons the drafters of the Constitution wrote it. Or to look at other societies without that protection and what they go through. And for anyone to feel comfortable about saying something like that should scare the hell out of everyone else.

Bill

Good day all

Fred Garvin wrote:

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JWB - Thanks for the reply. Now that you mention that I do remember it. I wonder if the coppers have contacted every rental from the accident on to bartlett to see who showed up and who didn't, etc. It is odd that untrained observers can have good instincts that trained professionals don't have or won't follow up on.

have you called the authorities to advise of your ideas?{no sarcasm}

Hi Tang

Fred Garvin wrote:

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Maybe she had just a little to drink. Kind of a "priming the pump" drink. We sometimes will have a drink or two before going out just to have a good start to the evening. So perhaps she was close enough to start, but only had a little before the wreck and thought he should dump it out to avoid any open-container issues? This may also be why she was not running scared from the cops. Just a thought.

wow, really? is that a common practice?

Snowy wrote:

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wow, really? is that a common practice?

i mean...i understand a cocktail or drink before going out to dinner or whatever, but "priming the pump"???
jumpstarting the binge?
am i misunderstanding some language? or behavior?

Jenkins wrote:

Since when do people who are aftraid of the cops coming sit at their ar for 15 minutes? Maybe even a few minutes longer.
Seems to me that's a really long time to sit there if you are truly scared of the cops.
How do you people account for all that time she spent sitting on the side of the roade? How can that possibly fit into your theory that she was so scared of LE that she was about to run into the woods to her death to avoid them.. To me those things just don't add up

Wrong.

It would seem like a long time if it were true, however it is not. The M's called after they heard the crash, the police arrived 10 minutes later.(On accident report)Maura was gone. In the 10 minutes Butch talked to her, the trunk light was seen on at the back of the vehicle. The cell phone light was seen. Then she was gone.

There was no leisure time in the car.

oo00oo wrote:

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Wrong.
It would seem like a long time if it were true, however it is not. The M's called after they heard the crash, the police arrived 10 minutes later.(On accident report)Maura was gone. In the 10 minutes Butch talked to her, the trunk light was seen on at the back of the vehicle. The cell phone light was seen. Then she was gone.
There was no leisure time in the car.

FW called at 19:29 and LE arrived at 19:46 that is 17 minutes so not sure how Jenkins was wrong by saying 15 minutes?

sorry I meant the W's in the above post.

JWB wrote:

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FW called at 19:29 and LE arrived at 19:46 that is 17 minutes so not sure how Jenkins was wrong by saying 15 minutes?

The report I'm looking at (JR) says 19:35 notified, 19:45 arrived, ambulance showed at 1956.

oo00oo wrote:

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Wrong.
It would seem like a long time if it were true, however it is not. The M's called after they heard the crash, the police arrived 10 minutes later.(On accident report)Maura was gone. In the 10 minutes Butch talked to her, the trunk light was seen on at the back of the vehicle. The cell phone light was seen. Then she was gone.
There was no leisure time in the car.

Yep. This is the fantasy timeline that Jenkins created. I haven't wasted my time with it, because, clearly, others know it's in his brain only. But since you bring it up. You are, of course, correct.

Bill