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<quoted text>ur so dumb
Maybe, but I know how to spell, use punctuation and string several sentences together to display thoughts. Which apparently puts me light-years ahead of you.

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I understand that there can be confusion. But be aware. There is and never has been any POI. There has never been any evidence that anything has happened to Maura. There is clear evidence that she lied to run away from school for a while. There is evidence that there was alcohol in the car. There is clearly a motive for her to not be waiting around when the police arrived. People watching the car didn't hear or see anything to indicate she left the car in any manner than by her own motivation.
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Bill,
...and WHY do you suppose there has never been a POI? There MIGHT have been and STILL may be a person of interest. Why do you suppose, Bill, a POI has never been identified? Any ideas at all? Maybe he was never interviewed? Perhaps. Why would that have happened? Why? Because someone...many someones it appears, for whatever reason, may have dropped the ball? Why? Possibly for the same reason a lot of other actions did not take place in regard to this case? Someone asked WHY so many people are absorbed by this particular case. So many people who are finding it difficult to let go. Why do you suppose this is the case? Because people are not stupid, that's why. People realize there is a high probability that a grave injustice has taken place, that something is terribly wrong. Blaming the victim will never take away the stench of injustice linked to this terrible tragedy. In my opinion, Maura's father was correct when he said that some dirtbag had abducted his daughter. He had a father's intuition, a strong intuition that many others share.

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...and WHY do you suppose there has never been a POI? There MIGHT have been and STILL may be a person of interest. Why do you suppose, Bill, a POI has never been identified? Any ideas at all? Maybe he was never interviewed? Perhaps. Why would that have happened? Why? Because someone...many someones it appears, for whatever reason, may have dropped the ball? Why? Possibly for the same reason a lot of other actions did not take place in regard to this case? Someone asked WHY so many people are absorbed by this particular case. So many people who are finding it difficult to let go. Why do you suppose this is the case? Because people are not stupid, that's why. People realize there is a high probability that a grave injustice has taken place, that something is terribly wrong. Blaming the victim will never take away the stench of injustice linked to this terrible tragedy. In my opinion, Maura's father was correct when he said that some dirtbag had abducted his daughter. He had a father's intuition, a strong intuition that many others share.
As is normally the case, we need to look at your writings piece by piece.

The definition of POI (person of interest) means that they police think they have someone in the case that may have information in the case. The person doesn’t rise to the level of a suspect but potentially could be a suspect. Several people (witnesses) were interviewed in this case. Some of them even took lie detectors.

People are always interested when pretty young white women disappear. It apparently is who we are. Look at Nancy Grace. She makes her living off of family misery, sometimes saying the most stupid things imaginable. And if you notice these are mostly missing pretty white woman. It has now become something of a national pastime.

And while intuition is tons of fun on Oprah, it really has nothing to do with crime and the science used to solve crimes. Science and fact based evidence are actually the tools used to solve crime. Psychics and yes even intuition are not very useful.

And no injustice has occurred as you like to say. When something breaks in this case, science and LE will move forward. They won’t forget, they won’t stop looking into it. Intuition can keep shouting whatever it wants, no one with sense listens because intuition doesn’t point to a cause, manner or person involved in her disappearance.

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After reading here for so long, the one word that comes to mind more often than any other, is the word "intuition".

Intuition is the motivating reason for this post.

Maura's mom died on Maura's birthday. I think that reaches far beyond intuition, to somewhere where the human spirit transcends all other intuitive boundaries. To me it is the ultimate confirmation of what she felt happened to Maura.

We've witnessed this before with Adams and Jefferson.

Something so powerful should not be ignored.
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rozShoem wrote:
Shack,
You were correct about him being in "F" Troop in 2004. Also, you mention a transfer? Looks like he may now be with "G" Troop.
My name is Pitt, and you ain't talking your way out of this shit.
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Who turned off the lights? All of the rats have come out! Repeat, the rats have come out!

They are rabbid killer rats that think they are hot dogs. These hotdogs definitely are starving and are going to eat themselves.

I'd eat the moon if it were maded of barbeque spare ribs.
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Harry Karry here everybody sorry Jules I thought Name meant who I was responding to rats everywhere made of hot dogs who would've thought they'd be placing for the cubbies.

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mcsmom wrote:
After reading here for so long, the one word that comes to mind more often than any other, is the word "intuition".
Intuition is the motivating reason for this post.
Maura's mom died on Maura's birthday. I think that reaches far beyond intuition, to somewhere where the human spirit transcends all other intuitive boundaries. To me it is the ultimate confirmation of what she felt happened to Maura.
We've witnessed this before with Adams and Jefferson.
Something so powerful should not be ignored.
In its simplest terms are you seriously telling me that Maura is dead and because she wanted her mother with her, she killed her mother on her birthday?

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mcsmom wrote:
After reading here for so long, the one word that comes to mind more often than any other, is the word "intuition".
Intuition is the motivating reason for this post.
Maura's mom died on Maura's birthday. I think that reaches far beyond intuition, to somewhere where the human spirit transcends all other intuitive boundaries. To me it is the ultimate confirmation of what she felt happened to Maura.
We've witnessed this before with Adams and Jefferson.
Something so powerful should not be ignored.
Yes. Adams and jefferson come to the games all the time. Jefferson barely gets any hot dogs. Adams can't at all. Good day for ball on the 4th.
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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In its simplest terms are you seriously telling me that Maura is dead and because she wanted her mother with her, she killed her mother on her birthday?
Bill
In the simplest of terms. No.

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mcsmom wrote:
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In the simplest of terms. No.
Then please, tie this all together for me (intuition, Maura's moms death on Maura's birthday, human spirit transcending all other intuitive boundaries) because I don't get it. I read it as some secret universal force, maybe a god thing, that I can't see but is somehow tying them together. I mean other than the 1 in 365, 366 on leap year chance that we will die on a specific day of the year.

And if Maura wasn't on "the other side" what was the point exactly of her going, particularly on Maura's birthday? These types of statements are all very confusing to me.

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LG:

Peace for a moment.

Check out the video on the right side of page at

http://www.counterbalance.org/iftm/humclon-fr...

Video can be started at 8:47 (David Albertini), which is interesting enough, or at 25:14 (Jim Robl), which discusses, among other things, the severe shortage. Both talks are well worth listening to, but especially Robl's.

I'm guessing the video was recorded about 2000-2002.

See what you think.

Thanks.
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Beagle wrote:
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I really wish I could talk to someone neutral (not therapeutic) about this, but Topix is the only choice, and a very poor one at that. Little threads are just a bad way of getting at something and making some progress.
I think that if someone is more or less after me, then maybe that's a clue as to what really happened. I'm all at sixes and nines over this today.
I believe that neutral person may be me. I am here. Empathetic listening is what I do. Don't give too much money for the whistle.
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Of glass house, or fish bowl
Let no one know what I know
For what tears at the soul
Is a personal toll
Let the bright light of day
Be shone upon what may
Perhaps insight to another
May help all recover.

Say I
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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As is normally the case, we need to look at your writings piece by piece.
The definition of POI (person of interest) means that they police think they have someone in the case that may have information in the case. The person doesn’t rise to the level of a suspect but potentially could be a suspect. Several people (witnesses) were interviewed in this case. Some of them even took lie detectors.
People are always interested when pretty young white women disappear. It apparently is who we are. Look at Nancy Grace. She makes her living off of family misery, sometimes saying the most stupid things imaginable. And if you notice these are mostly missing pretty white woman. It has now become something of a national pastime.
And while intuition is tons of fun on Oprah, it really has nothing to do with crime and the science used to solve crimes. Science and fact based evidence are actually the tools used to solve crime. Psychics and yes even intuition are not very useful.
And no injustice has occurred as you like to say. When something breaks in this case, science and LE will move forward. They won’t forget, they won’t stop looking into it. Intuition can keep shouting whatever it wants, no one with sense listens because intuition doesn’t point to a cause, manner or person involved in her disappearance.
Bill
Okay, Bill. Let's cut with the BS. MM's father had questions regarding the ST....the ST who "dropped by" the accident that evening. In reading old postings, others had questions too... was he (ST) dispatched, had he overheard the dispatch, was he on duty, had he just happened by....why he did not respond to dispatcher for 2 hours, etc. Was HE interviewed?
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I understand that there can be confusion. But be aware. There is and never has been any POI. There has never been any evidence that anything has happened to Maura. There is clear evidence that she lied to run away from school for a while. There is evidence that there was alcohol in the car. There is clearly a motive for her to not be waiting around when the police arrived. People watching the car didn't hear or see anything to indicate she left the car in any manner than by her own motivation.
Bill
Based on dog handler, scent was lost down the highway at intersection. So a reasonable possibility is that a vehicle stopped there.....Maura felt safe and got in with this person. Okay, Bill. Let's as you say, "take this piece by piece."
-Maura rejected assistance from SBD.
-Maura did NOT knock on doors of any houses in area to seek help
-Based on theory she got into someone's car at that intersection,
where dog lost scent, she must have had REASON to trust the
driver of this car
Now...let's consider who most people SHOULD have reason to trust....
ANY ideas?
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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I understand that there can be confusion. But be aware. There is and never has been any POI. There has never been any evidence that anything has happened to Maura. There is clear evidence that she lied to run away from school for a while. There is evidence that there was alcohol in the car. There is clearly a motive for her to not be waiting around when the police arrived. People watching the car didn't hear or see anything to indicate she left the car in any manner than by her own motivation.
Bill
There's a connection between interviewing and identification of a POI. At least this is how it's done in the movies. LOL Maybe this idea could be used in this case.... HMmmmmm?
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Hint, hint:
Possibly the interviews should NOT have been limited to only the registered sex offenders living in the area. What do you think, Bill? I know you're using very good judgment in your comments (science based, fact based), but like me lean toward the possibility she met with foul play.

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rozShoem wrote:
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Based on dog handler, scent was lost down the highway at intersection. So a reasonable possibility is that a vehicle stopped there.....Maura felt safe and got in with this person. Okay, Bill. Let's as you say, "take this piece by piece."
-Maura rejected assistance from SBD.
-Maura did NOT knock on doors of any houses in area to seek help
-Based on theory she got into someone's car at that intersection,
where dog lost scent, she must have had REASON to trust the
driver of this car
Now...let's consider who most people SHOULD have reason to trust....
ANY ideas?
You almost got it right. Unfortunately, your thinking takes a wicked right hand turn into "fantasy" land where you say "she must have had a reason to trust..."

Nothing could be further from the truth. Once she knew the cops were coming and she decided to run, she could have gotten into anyone's car that came by. She did the basic math. One road in, one road out and that road is 25 miles in length, its cold and dark. She likely thought, I need a ride. That person was Maura's target of opportunity.

Bill

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