Maura Murray

Shack wrote:

From memory SP JM accompanied HPD to the next call
(after Maura's incident) to the "power lines" for another incident about a young lad who had run away from his private school in Pike.

In reviewing old posts and newspaper articles, letters, etc....one of the reasons MM father continued to ask for information to be released seemed to focus on his question regarding where the ST was for that 2-hour period. This mystery(?)seems to have continued throughout several years following MM's disappearance. After her father's questions regarding the ST, I notice periodically there is mention of someone who would "look into" these questions to find answers. This "someone" never, however, appears to have never found answers. At least there was no follow-up in anything in print in terms of newspaper articles, forums, etc. With all of the people investigating (especially those on many of these forums) Maura's disappearance since 2004 it seems somewhat odd that the focus is overly dedicated to considering "what MIGHT have happened in Amherst," pizza parlor madness, aliens, stem cell research theories, college transcripts, etc.....and no interest at all in the perspective, thoughts of 1 of 3 individuals who was alleged to have "been at the scene" of the accident. This is at strange as MM's disappearance.

Jules Pulp Fiction wrote:

My name is Pitt, and you ain't talking your way outta this shit.

Pit,
Try crawling back into your peach.

rozShoem wrote:

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We have a situation whereby 2 police officers...one active, one retired are at the accident scene and according to all publicized information, one ST as well. All in that short space of highway around the accident scene....all 3 appear between the hours of 7 p.m. and 8 p.m??? The Haverhill police officer appeared at the scene 7:46 p.m. and the SBD approximately 15/16 minutes earlier. No indication of when the ST dropped by. Based on available information, questions exist as to whether he was dispatched to the scene or whether he just happened by. Some info exists (public) that dispatch attempted to reach him for a 2-hour period of time during which he did not respond. This information appears in postings, articles, etc. Whether it is fact or fiction, I do not know. Much information exists regarding comments, actions of Haverhill officer and the SBD only.

A query to RO at the time she initially posted about seeing ST JM that evening and his remark to her "oh, it's you," (he did personally know her), was that he was in uniform and his cruiser, so it "appeared" that he was "on duty," although I don't know that was ever documented. It has just always seemed questionable as to why he was in that particular area that night, at the approximate time of Maura's accident, yet no where has it been shown that he made a statement about his activities that night. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was transferred to another unit shortly after Maura's disappearance...not sure if there is a connection or not.

Shack wrote:

From memory SP JM accompanied HPD to the next call (after Maura's incident) to the "power lines" for another incident about a young lad who had run away from his private school in Pike.

Perhaps so, but why was he in the area to begin with?

Yes, I do recall that RO did encounter SP JM on her way to store..."Oh, it's you..." As for a precise time...I don't recall...we know after 7pm...(she left the store around 8pm)

No info. in GCSDL log about SP activities.
Guess that information would be with the Cold Case Unit.

Yes, he did make a lateral move within the SP....
(something to do with truck weights) I don't know the exact title. Nor do I know if he has the same
position now.

Chiming In wrote:

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Perhaps so, but why was he in the area to begin with?

He lives 20 minutes away and is and has been known to accompany
local police departments on some calls.

I DO NOT KNOW if he is or has been requested by any local police department on their calls.

I do know that a lake neighbor called the police because my boat
was leaking oil. The one cop in that town came with SP JM.

Shack wrote:

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He lives 20 minutes away and is and has been known to accompany
local police departments on some calls.
I DO NOT KNOW if he is or has been requested by any local police department on their calls.
I do know that a lake neighbor called the police because my boat
was leaking oil. The one cop in that town came with SP JM.

The postings(?) articles, letters, etc...indicating that he was not responding to dispatch for a 2-hour period that evening, leaves the question why would dispatch be attempting to reach him if he were not on duty? You mention that he was seen that evening and that he was in uniform. MM's father had asked where he was for that 2-hour period. Was this ST a part of the "F Troop" ....I read where MM father had made reference to this particular troop. For a while it was quite confusing as some articles spell the ST's surname differently (minus the 'g'? The other question is....could the Saturn be seen from the intersection where the dog lost scent (at the intersection)? My other question are there any investigators/PIs investigating the case who are not in some way associated, affiliated w/NHSP, either currently or formerly? I've read where psychics have been consulted. Do you believe it's possible that someone (not the psychics of course) will interview the ST? Six years have passed.

rozShoem wrote:

Looking4AMoose,
Your comment, "....Knowing the area well, its hard to believe that some bad guy just came and swooped maura up--its pretty desolate during the night in February," although worded differently seems to echo avenues of thought visited by others. It's too bad this case was not turned over to the FBI completely and immediately..... shortly after Maura disappeared.

The FBI was involved at the Amherst level

His name does have the "g"...Yes, F troop
(at least at that time)

I don't know anything about "2 missing" hours...?

From what little we "Know" he was there 7ish to
the time of the call for the "power lines".9ish"..?
Guess that information would be with SP records.

Don't the SP have their own logs/channels/frequencies...?

Shack wrote:

His name does have the "g"...Yes, F troop
(at least at that time)
I don't know anything about "2 missing" hours...?
From what little we "Know" he was there 7ish to
the time of the call for the "power lines".9ish"..?
Guess that information would be with SP records.
Don't the SP have their own logs/channels/frequencies...?

Part of the difficulty...at least based on all info I've read is that records cannot be released because the case is "active." Sort of a Catch-22 situation, so it seems. MM's father had approached the court to have records released, according to newspaper articles. The pertinent info regarding MM's father's question however regarding info from the evening of Feb 9, was not released as far as I know (based on what I've read). The only information available is what has been available in forums, various websites and in newspaper articles.

Chiming In wrote:

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A query to RO at the time she initially posted about seeing ST JM that evening and his remark to her "oh, it's you," (he did personally know her), was that he was in uniform and his cruiser, so it "appeared" that he was "on duty," although I don't know that was ever documented. It has just always seemed questionable as to why he was in that particular area that night, at the approximate time of Maura's accident, yet no where has it been shown that he made a statement about his activities that night. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was transferred to another unit shortly after Maura's disappearance...not sure if there is a connection or not.

I'm not a PI, but if I were....especially one with several years of experience in the field,a former ST for example, it would seem reasonable to have at least spoken with him. As the years pass, it'll be increasingly difficult to identify connections if any existed in the first place. This is the problem with "cold cases." Maybe a PI from outside the State of NH is in order...someone who could take a brand new, objective, fresh gander at the case. I've often seen cases where someone who was never associated with a particular case from the beginning, reviews facts years later and successfully turns up new information. Maybe this will happen in MM's case. Based on reviewing available information, however, it does seem like something is being carefully circumvented, doesn't it? What would seem an obvious important piece in this case has been evidentally circumvented(?) as though it existed on the backside of the moon, unfortunately.

Shack,
You were correct about him being in "F" Troop in 2004. Also, you mention a transfer? Looks like he may now be with "G" Troop.

rozShoem wrote:

Shack,
You were correct about him being in "F" Troop in 2004. Also, you mention a transfer? Looks like he may now be with "G" Troop.

hmmm..interesting..."way back when" I had asked a local police
officer in that area about his transfer...guess it's old news now.
TX

Shack wrote:

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hmmm..interesting..."way back when" I had asked a local police
officer in that area about his transfer...guess it's old news now.
TX

Yes. Sort of like the case....becoming colder with each year that passes.

Does the POI you are referring to have a record of domestic violence?

Does the POI you keep referring to have a history of domestic violence?

Observer - Troy Michigan wrote:

Does the POI you keep referring to have a history of domestic violence?

I understand that there can be confusion. But be aware. There is and never has been any POI. There has never been any evidence that anything has happened to Maura. There is clear evidence that she lied to run away from school for a while. There is evidence that there was alcohol in the car. There is clearly a motive for her to not be waiting around when the police arrived. People watching the car didn't hear or see anything to indicate she left the car in any manner than by her own motivation.

Bill

Thank you. I happened upon this forum by accident and was taken aback by some things I read about a POI. For the sake of some people I love, I am glad to know there is not a POI.

Observer - Troy Michigan wrote:

Thank you. I happened upon this forum by accident and was taken aback by some things I read about a POI. For the sake of some people I love, I am glad to know there is not a POI.

Several people were questioned as in any police investigation. I believe that several had taken polygraphs and passed. The police have never mentioned a POI that I have ever heard and any person saying that Maura is dead is certainly not using the available evidence. She is missing.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Several people were questioned as in any police investigation. I believe that several had taken polygraphs and passed. The police have never mentioned a POI that I have ever heard and any person saying that Maura is dead is certainly not using the available evidence. She is missing.
Bill

ur so dumb