Maura Murray

citigirl wrote:

BillNH "Forcier, who many speculated had Maura buried in the yard somewhere apparently did not." i was involved in the search for Maura from 2004 to 2007 and never heard this.

In my short time of researching the subject, I have seen many threads and discussions involving Mr. Forcier, some speculating he was involved. Mainly because he always refused LE from searching his property which was so close to the accident scene. The important thing to take away from this, I feel, is that even after 8 years, LE is still trying to get answers even if it is closing loose ends.

Shack wrote:

NH is where Maura disappeared. NH has to answer.

I dont agree that NH has the answer. I think the reasons lie much further south. Whatever/whoever compelled her to flee Mass holds the answer.

BillNH wrote:

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I dont agree that NH has the answer. I think the reasons lie much further south. Whatever/whoever compelled her to flee Mass holds the answer.

You misunderstand Bill. That is just a simple catch phrase that she has been using for years. It helps simple minds comprehend things when they are incapable of working the problem, or understand that some answers aren't forthcoming by simple work. She like some other are certain that all problems can be solved like TV shows, in one hour, with the commercials. Anything more complicated than that, they just can't wrap their heads around. Boogie men, make more sense to those people. Even with no evidence that such men exist.

And you are correct. Like several others have suggested from the beginning that the answers certainly could have been held prior to her disappearance. Certainly it would have been worth knowing what her original plans were. Many here, including the family, either didn't know, or in some cases actively tried to prevent any of that information from coming to light. In particular there was tremendous push back to examine what happened prior on the original forum. Many questions were asked, and many times the responses were "none of that matters". I think we have a much clearer picture why that was handled by those people, in that fashion, now.

the other Bill

Thx Bill. I realise that me being new here, I may not catch on to some of the inside jokes or jibes or jabs or jousts. But at the same time, it doesn't much matter to me either. Everyone has thier opinion based on their own thought process and knowledge. Only 1 person knows everything about the case, unfortunately no one seems to be able to find her. Until then, in my book, all opinions are valid, even if I don't agree with it or try vehemently to disprove it.

BillNH wrote:

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I dont agree that NH has the answer. I think the reasons lie much further south. Whatever/whoever compelled her to flee Mass holds the answer.

absolutely agree, though opinions matter very little. the official investigatipn trumps all, imo.

NH Governor is considering dropping funding for the Cold Case Unit. Please sign the petition to keep it funded:

http://www.change.org/petitions/new-hampshire...

mcsmom wrote:

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citi.. is it possible that this is some of the information that LE wanted to keep from Fred?

anything is possible. but honestly I dont know.

BillNH wrote:

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In my short time of researching the subject, I have seen many threads and discussions involving Mr. Forcier, some speculating he was involved. Mainly because he always refused LE from searching his property which was so close to the accident scene. The important thing to take away from this, I feel, is that even after 8 years, LE is still trying to get answers even if it is closing loose ends.

facts are going to solve this case not speculation.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>facts are going to solve this case not speculation.

Facts that family don't want you to know, but only speculate about.

BillNH, are you the same Bill from Woodsville who used to post to topix with a zip code in the moniker?

hannah_b wrote:

BillNH, are you the same Bill from Woodsville who used to post to topix with a zip code in the moniker?

No. This is my first time on Topix.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>facts are going to solve this case not speculation.

I must disagree. Speculation is the very thing that solves cases like this. Obviously the events of that night did not follow the norm, so one must explore the possible things that were in the minds of the people involved. Speculation is thinking out of the box. Speculation is developing a theory to see if it fits the facts. That being said, I was not speculating, although I have previously and will again. I was reporting a fact, about Forcier's house and property being searched and cleared.

Waiting to hear back from maura's supervisor. she has said she will help me out by answering my questions

I still believe someone (media) should've looked deeper into a possible link with the vasi hit and run.

Vasi's hit and run (maura or no maura) was handled very poorly and unprofessionally IMO.

BillNH wrote:

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I must disagree. Speculation is the very thing that solves cases like this. Obviously the events of that night did not follow the norm, so one must explore the possible things that were in the minds of the people involved. Speculation is thinking out of the box. Speculation is developing a theory to see if it fits the facts. That being said, I was not speculating, although I have previously and will again. I was reporting a fact, about Forcier's house and property being searched and cleared.

If you dont mind me asking where did you get your facts from to be able to say Fs house and property were cleared?

BillNH wrote:

ok so Forcier...
This may have already been discussed but I couldn't find anything about it.
He lived on the corner of Bradly Hill Road in a trailer while remodeling the house on the same property. He would never let LE on his property and they had no probable cause to insist. Years ago he pulled the trailer and as soon as it hit public property(the road), LE swarmed and searched. Nothing.
That house was sold in October 09'. 2nd day the new owners were in the house, LE knocked on the door and asked to search. They let them. Nothing. House, property, all buildings. They searched again in 2010 with some different people/equipment. Nothing. March/April 2012 the cadaver dog team was in the area on another matter, LE took advantage of that and had the dogs search also. Property and all buildings. Nothing found.
Forcier, who many speculated had Maura buried in the yard somewhere apparently did not.

ODD that LE would go back and search a second time if nothing was found the first time. what buildings are you referring to that were searched? Why was the cadaver dogs out in the area again in 2012? What or who were they looking for? Nowhere have I ever heard that anyone has speculated that F buried Maura in the back yard. Where are you getting this info from?

Orko Kringer wrote:

Waiting to hear back from maura's supervisor. she has said she will help me out by answering my questions
I still believe someone (media) should've looked deeper into a possible link with the vasi hit and run.
Vasi's hit and run (maura or no maura) was handled very poorly and unprofessionally IMO.

If you think the Vasi hit and run was handled very poorly and unprofessionally you should contact the proper authorities.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>If you dont mind me asking where did you get your facts from to be able to say Fs house and property were cleared?

From the new owners who allowed the searches and who were present during the searches.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>ODD that LE would go back and search a second time if nothing was found the first time. what buildings are you referring to that were searched? Why was the cadaver dogs out in the area again in 2012? What or who were they looking for? Nowhere have I ever heard that anyone has speculated that F buried Maura in the back yard. Where are you getting this info from?

As I said earlier, the second search was with different personnel and equipment and the third search the cadaver dogs were in the area, they were from Mass, could not tell you why they were in this area. If I recall we did have a lost hiker at Mt. Washington around that time, they did use cadaver dogs to finally find his remains, could be the same team.

BillNH- where did you get the info that the NHSP pulled over the CW's(F's) trailer on the road and searched it. I had heard the same thing too and posted that on here & everybody on here jumped and said that th trailer wasn't searched on the road but rather searched down southern NH after it arrived wherever it was going.

Where did you get that info? Was it a reliable source?
IMO whether it was searched on the road or its destination doesn't realt matter, the point is that it was searched. I also heard his property was searched after he moved but the way I heard it was just a rumor & No way to substantiate it.
It's interesting you heard all that & that LE actually brought cadaver dogs to his property.

So clearly the CW is or was a poi in this case. Of they searched his property that tough they thought there was a possibility he wa responsible, that is clear. It's up for debate how likely they think it is but they clearly thought with some certainty there was a reasonable expectation of finding something, or otherwise they wouldn't have wasted their time or resources. If they thought he was that much of a poi they probably still think it, I doubt they eliminated him bc she wasn't found on his property.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>ODD that LE would go back and search a second time if nothing was found the first time. what buildings are you referring to that were searched? Why was the cadaver dogs out in the area again in 2012? What or who were they looking for? Nowhere have I ever heard that anyone has speculated that F buried Maura in the back yard. Where are you getting this info from?

As for the speculation about Maura being buried in the backyard....as I have stated once already, it was from things i read on sites like this, maybe even this very one, I have read so many I couldn't even tell you which. "buried in the backyard" are my words, not necessarily the actual words used.