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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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So would a DUI at the WB curve make the credit card fraud stay on her record?
Nope, absolutely not. Two different states, the court down in Mass would have no clue that she got a DUI up in NH, states do not communicate with each other well at all and a lot of people take advantage of this fact by moving to other states where their record is clean.

But would Maura KNOW that? Seriously doubtful, unless she'd ever been through it personally or had a good friend or relative who had, like I do, i'm sure she would've THOUGHT that an arrest at the WB curve would make that first case come back out of the woodwork.
That would be a good incentive for her to want to run from the scene, but as we all know, or at least SHOULD know, that isn't what happened at all. I know a lot of you like to pretend that she ran from the scene for some reason, but she clearly did not, She stayed at the car for almost 20 minutes, that's a long time to stay if you're running from the cops because you're scared of a DUI.

In the REAL WORLD someone who is running from an accident because they're drunk and scared of a DUI runs from the accident, they don't sit there for almost 20 minutes at the car, that doesn't happen. They might sit there for a couple minutes but even that I would bet is very rare. People who are drunk and scared of the cops run away ASAP, they don't sit there. That's the real world, but in the TOPIX wide world of weirdos people who are drunk and running from the cops like to sit there ar their car for almost 20 minutes hanging out for the hell of it because they're 'thinking about it' lol, there isn't very much to think about. Either you're drunk or you're not, either you're scared of the cops enough to run, or you're not. Once it's passed the 10 minute mark even I think it's safe to say that person is not particularly scared of LE. Funny how different some people on here think then the way the real world works, very interesting IMO.

Anyone who's saying she was running from the cops, or trying to evade them seriously needs to reevaulate their thinking proccess. Nobody who is runing from the cops sits there for 20 minutes, doesn't happen.
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A ticket for an open container in NH would in no way make that stay on her record, it's not a criminal offense, it's not a misdemeanor or a felony, it's a civil violation. Basically it's like a bad speeding ticket.

BUt it's the same thing, would Maura KNOW that? Doubful, I would think that she would've thought an open container would be worse than just a ticket.

But all these questions really are moot because she didn't run from the car! She sat there for almost 20 minutes, she clearly wasn't very scared of the cops.
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sad, sad news out of easton, again. so very sorry; rip.
Snowy I have not heard anything about Easton. What are you referring to? thank you.
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Snowy I have not heard anything about Easton. What are you referring to? thank you.
sorry.....not Maura related....but just more sadness heaped on sadness.

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I think that the advice that Renner just gave bout alden aka beagle aka the creep is sound.

As for his story about the 'body shop guy', it's total bullshit.
I was in there about a month ago getting work done on my gf's subaru. WHen I went to pick it up I had to sit there for about 20 minutes waiting for them to fix a tire and since I was sitting there with the owner of the shop I just couldn't resist asking him about this whole thing.

After asking him a few questions and just getting a very confused look I showed him a picture of the saturn and he said he's never seen that in his life. I then proceeded to show him the posts that Beagle/alden had made regarding the cops being 'all over' the toyota and his exact words were "someone's telling stories". He had absolutely NO CLUE what beagle is talking about and specifically said the story was made up. He also said that he would've remembered something like that as there's been very few times that the cops have ever come into his shop to look at a car that he had there.
I would also think that if he remembered it so clearly in 08 like beagle said he did that he would still remember something about it in 13. Maybe not all the details, but something. He sounded very confident when he told me that the whole thing was made up and even said to me that I 'shouldn't believe everything I read on the internet' lol

If there's anyone else in the western mass area maybe they should go in and ask him too? I'm not saying everyone should go harrass this guy but I think it's important for everyone to know that alden is making things up regarding this case. IMO he clearly wants to insert himself into the case, make himself part of it, even though he has nothing to do with it, well at least I HOPE he doesn't(I still wanna know how the hell he got that lift ticket). Its just that this is a missing persons case that in all likelihood is a homicide, this is not the kind of topic that anyone should be just making shit up about.

I can assure you that what he's saying about the cops being all over the corrolla is made up, I heard it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. It's kind of like how his back yard got vandalzed after talking to the guy, I mean after getting asked if he killed maura by a PI, i mean after he asked the UMass cops about parking, remmber that he said all three things on different occasions.

SInce it was brought up again I just felt the need to clear the air, because the story is complete bullshit, completley made up by someone who is looking for attention. Maybe somene else can go in there and confirm this as well so it's not just me saying it. But the 'body shop guy' specifically told me that the story about the cops being all over the toyota was made up.

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Jenkins wrote:
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Nope, absolutely not. Two different states, the court down in Mass would have no clue that she got a DUI up in NH, states do not communicate with each other well at all and a lot of people take advantage of this fact by moving to other states where their record is clean.
But would Maura KNOW that? Seriously doubtful, unless she'd ever been through it personally or had a good friend or relative who had, like I do, i'm sure she would've THOUGHT that an arrest at the WB curve would make that first case come back out of the woodwork.
That would be a good incentive for her to want to run from the scene, but as we all know, or at least SHOULD know, that isn't what happened at all. I know a lot of you like to pretend that she ran from the scene for some reason, but she clearly did not, She stayed at the car for almost 20 minutes, that's a long time to stay if you're running from the cops because you're scared of a DUI.
In the REAL WORLD someone who is running from an accident because they're drunk and scared of a DUI runs from the accident, they don't sit there for almost 20 minutes at the car, that doesn't happen. They might sit there for a couple minutes but even that I would bet is very rare. People who are drunk and scared of the cops run away ASAP, they don't sit there. That's the real world, but in the TOPIX wide world of weirdos people who are drunk and running from the cops like to sit there ar their car for almost 20 minutes hanging out for the hell of it because they're 'thinking about it' lol, there isn't very much to think about. Either you're drunk or you're not, either you're scared of the cops enough to run, or you're not. Once it's passed the 10 minute mark even I think it's safe to say that person is not particularly scared of LE. Funny how different some people on here think then the way the real world works, very interesting IMO.
Anyone who's saying she was running from the cops, or trying to evade them seriously needs to reevaulate their thinking proccess. Nobody who is runing from the cops sits there for 20 minutes, doesn't happen.
I can't tell you how rough the last couple days were with are resident expert in just about everything gone. So glad your back.

You don't need to repeat yourself 15 times about the waiting by the car part. That is unless you aren't sure and need to convince yourself.
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sorry.....not Maura related....but just more sadness heaped on sadness.
http://snowboarding.transworld.net/1000200323...
I didnt think it was related to Maura. Was unable to get onto the link you gave me.Thank you.

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Jenkins wrote:
Its just that this is a missing persons case that in all likelihood is a homicide, this is not the kind of topic that anyone should be just making shit up about.
Does anyone else feel the irony here?

Don't make stuff up - all likelihood a homicide, but no evidence to prove it, or even think it, but don't make anything up.

I love this guy.
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BillNH wrote:
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She was in NH over the break. Was her car here too?
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Hi all I wonder if the saturn was damaged during the christmas break when Maura was gone to who knows where.Who else had access to it and in which state.Why have it towed to Amherst.Just weird to me
Nowhere does Whiston state her car was in NH. He wonders if the car was damagoed during Christmas break when Maura was gone to who knows where. This is not a fact and only an opinion of Whiston. Whiston " Who else had access to it and in what state?" This is only a question.
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>I didnt think it was related to Maura. Was unable to get onto the link you gave me.Thank you.
oh, sorry, citi...the link opens for me. it is a video tribute and associated article about the sudden loss of Chelone Miller, Bode's brother just a few days ago.
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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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Does anyone else feel the irony here?
Don't make stuff up - all likelihood a homicide, but no evidence to prove it, or even think it, but don't make anything up.
I love this guy.
so glad to hear that you love me lighthouse, I always knew I was your favorite poster.

but for real, I don't think you're understanding the concept of irony here. Show me where or when I've EVER made up any fact or story regarding this case. I know that some idiots around here like to say shit like that, but have NEVER been able to show that i've ever made anythig up, obviously. WHo the hell would do something like that?

When I stated 'in all likelihood is a homicide' that is an opnion based on known facts, that's completely 100% different than stating a fact regarding this case and completely differet than making up a whole story about some mechanic in amherst saying that LE was 'all over' Fred's corolla after it was towed there. See the difference?

And in reality, strictly talking numbers here not facts of the case, homicide IS the most likely thing that happened to her.
How often do college age girls run away and start a new life never to be seen again? Extremely extremely rare, I would think it's happened before but I don't know of any cases of it. Take that another step farther- how often do they run away and start a new life with the assistance of their family like has been suggested lately? THis would have to be one of, if not the first case of that ever happening. Again, show me just one case EVER where this has been shown to be what happened.
How often does someone get lost in the woods in NH never to be found again after 10 years? IIRC Scarzinza said that in his career he knew of only one or 2 cases where they went out on a SAR operation and never found the person for years. So again, that is extremely extremely rare, almost NEVER happens. THen when you add in the fact that it was winter and conditions were perfect for tracking, I would venture to say that it's never happened in winter.
How often does a victim of suicide's body NEVER be found? Or even not found for years? Once again this is extremely rare to the point that it pretty much NEVER happens. Show me just one case of a suicide victim that wasn't found for years, just one.

But the other option- a young woman out alone on the road at night with car troubles being abducted, now that happens fairly often, certainly not unheard of or even particularly rare. Why do you think girls' families tell them not to travel alone? Why do you think all these posters, like wowzer for example, say they would NEVER take a ride from a stranger at night? Because it's DANGEROUS, because women get murdered every day in this country. Doesn't happen every day in NH obviously but it's happened more than enough in that particular area over the years even to consider it a very likely possibility.

Just think about this shit for a minute. The other theories that are being proposed certainly are theoretically possible, but they are pretty much completely unheard of, almost never have happened anywhere in the country. You're trying to suggest that something that almost never happens is more likely than something that has happened many times, that just plain makes no sense.
At this point there is no known evidence of foul play, well at least evidence the public is aware of. Personally I believe that LE does have strong evidence to support foul play but they aren't saying it, but that's JMO. But there also is no evidence of suicide, that she's lost in the woods or that she ran away. There's pretty much no evidence of anything. So When there's no evidence pointing one way or another we almost have to go by the numbers, and going by the numbers it's more than obvious that her being a victim of foul play is by far the most likely thing that happened to her.

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<quoted text><quoted text> Nowhere does Whiston state her car was in NH. He wonders if the car was damagoed during Christmas break when Maura was gone to who knows where. This is not a fact and only an opinion of Whiston. Whiston " Who else had access to it and in what state?" This is only a question.
I was only posing a question as well. Was it here in NH? Simple as that.

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Jenkins wrote:
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so glad to hear that you love me lighthouse, I always knew I was your favorite poster.
but for real, I don't think you're understanding the concept of irony here. Show me where or when I've EVER made up any fact or story regarding this case. I know that some idiots around here like to say shit like that, but have NEVER been able to show that i've ever made anythig up, obviously. WHo the hell would do something like that?
When I stated 'in all likelihood is a homicide' that is an opnion based on known facts, that's completely 100% different than stating a fact regarding this case and completely differet than making up a whole story about some mechanic in amherst saying that LE was 'all over' Fred's corolla after it was towed there. See the difference?
And in reality, strictly talking numbers here not facts of the case, homicide IS the most likely thing that happened to her.
How often do college age girls run away and start a new life never to be seen again? Extremely extremely rare, I would think it's happened before but I don't know of any cases of it. Take that another step farther- how often do they run away and start a new life with the assistance of their family like has been suggested lately? THis would have to be one of, if not the first case of that ever happening. Again, show me just one case EVER where this has been shown to be what happened.
How often does someone get lost in the woods in NH never to be found again after 10 years? IIRC Scarzinza said that in his career he knew of only one or 2 cases where they went out on a SAR operation and never found the person for years. So again, that is extremely extremely rare, almost NEVER happens. THen when you add in the fact that it was winter and conditions were perfect for tracking, I would venture to say that it's never happened in winter.
How often does a victim of suicide's body NEVER be found? Or even not found for years? Once again this is extremely rare to the point that it pretty much NEVER happens. Show me just one case of a suicide victim that wasn't found for years, just one.
But the other option- a young woman out alone on the road at night with car troubles being abducted, now that happens fairly often, certainly not unheard of or even particularly rare. Why do you think girls' families tell them not to travel alone? Why do you think all these posters, like wowzer for example, say they would NEVER take a ride from a stranger at night? Because it's DANGEROUS, because women get murdered every day in this country. Doesn't happen every day in NH obviously but it's happened more than enough in that particular area over the years even to consider it a very likely possibility.
Just think about this shit for a minute. The other theories that are being proposed certainly are theoretically possible, but they are pretty much completely unheard of, almost never have happened anywhere in the country. You're trying to suggest that something that almost never happens is more likely than something that has happened many times, that just plain makes no sense.
At this point there is no known evidence of foul play, well at least evidence the public is aware of. Personally I believe that LE does have strong evidence to support foul play but they aren't saying it, but that's JMO. But there also is no evidence of suicide, that she's lost in the woods or that she ran away. There's pretty much no evidence of anything. So When there's no evidence pointing one way or another we almost have to go by the numbers, and going by the numbers it's more than obvious that her being a victim of foul play is by far the most likely thing that happened to her.
So you are saying that YOUR story is more probable than anyone else's story. That does not make it true, it's still a story. Irony remains intact.
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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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Does anyone else feel the irony here?
Don't make stuff up - all likelihood a homicide, but no evidence to prove it, or even think it, but don't make anything up.
I love this guy.
SMH
i've never, ever had or witnessed a conversation with someone with this unusual, rigid manner of thinking and expression.
not to worry, he has a soft spot for you in his heart. ;)

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Jenkins wrote:
But the other option- a young woman out alone on the road at night with car troubles being abducted, now that happens fairly often, certainly not unheard of or even particularly rare. Why do you think girls' families tell them not to travel alone? Why do you think all these posters, like wowzer for example, say they would NEVER take a ride from a stranger at night? Because it's DANGEROUS, because women get murdered every day in this country. Doesn't happen every day in NH obviously but it's happened more than enough in that particular area over the years even to consider it a very likely possibility.
It isn't unheard of or particularly rare? Jenkins doesn't care about facts or numbers they are just a hindrance to his diatribe, but for those that like to read and learn from facts here they are:

In 2004 seventeen people where killed in New Hampshire just 17.
How many people in New Hampshire killed themselves 133?
People were about eight times as likely to die from their own hand or actions rather than the garbage Jenkins wrote.

I make this argument of the murder to suicide rate for New Hampshire so people get a feel for how likely suicide is as an outcome.

In MA the murder rate was 171 people, and the suicide rate was 425. So the ratio is smaller but still doubles the cause of death being from their own hand or action.

I show these facts because I don't think people realize how bad a problem suicide is in America. In all of America the suicde rate doubled the murder rate for 2004. So please don't think it can't happen.
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In the REAL WORLD someone who is running from an accident because they're drunk and scared of a DUI runs from the accident, they don't sit there for almost 20 minutes at the car, that doesn't happen. They might sit there for a couple minutes but even that I would bet is very rare. People who are drunk and scared of the cops run away ASAP, they don't sit there. That's the real world, but in the TOPIX wide world of weirdos people who are drunk and running from the cops like to sit there ar their car for almost 20 minutes hanging out for the hell of it because they're 'thinking about it' lol, there isn't very much to think about. Either you're drunk or you're not, either you're scared of the cops enough to run, or you're not. Once it's passed the 10 minute mark even I think it's safe to say that person is not particularly scared of LE. Funny how different some people on here think then the way the real world works, very interesting .
In some people's REAL WORLD, one takes a few minutes before they act (or speak) to assess their situation before they decide what they are going to do. In other real worlds one would sit tight while waiting for their traveling companion to show up. Fact is we do not know what real world MM was dwelling in that night since everyone SHOULD KNOW, there is no evidence to confirm or deny any of it. it is all opinion based more on our own minds than anything else.
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BillNH wrote:
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In some people's REAL WORLD, one takes a few minutes before they act (or speak) to assess their situation before they decide what they are going to do. In other real worlds one would sit tight while waiting for their traveling companion to show up. Fact is we do not know what real world MM was dwelling in that night since everyone SHOULD KNOW, there is no evidence to confirm or deny any of it. it is all opinion based more on our own minds than anything else.
Can we, based on prior behavior feel relatively safe assuming that because Maura did not run from the Corolla accident, it was not her intent to run from the WB site?

In the Corolla accident she would likely have felt more compelled to search for an alternate solution than to reacquaint herself with Hadley PD.

In addition, I really don't feel that anyone outside of this case will get any sort of red carpet treatment, no matter what they may bring to the table. IMO.

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Is there a police report from the Corolla accident available somewhere for viewing?
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Lighthouse- those are some good numbers you brought up there but in reality they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
We aren't talking about suicide, obviously there were more people that committed suicide than were murdered, there's no debating that. We are talking about a suicide where the body hasn't been found for 9 years! That's a completely different thing.
Why don't you dig up the numbers on that? How often does it take 9 years to find a suicide victim? Has that EVER even happened? I'm sure it has somewhere sometime but it's obviously extremely rare, almost unheard of. The vast majority of people who Commit suicide do it in a comfortable place, like at home. It's just so unheard of that a suicide victim's body never gets found.

So lighthouse, out of all of those suicides how many did it take months or years to find the body?

Who ever heard of a suicide where the person's body never got found?

We're talking about two completely different things here as people don't really go out of their way to hide their body when they're taking their own life.
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I wonder if thats a photo of the goatee guy LE saw in the early morning hours after the WB scene?

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