Maura Murray

BillNH wrote:

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Do you honestly think that social media had nothing to do with these terrorists being caught so fast? The fact that their pictures were out and everyone with any form of digital communication was immediately part of the investigation was THE reason they had to run. That is my point. If the family was willing to include other in what they new, this could have turned out much differently.
As for the actual capture, the news I watched the younger brother hid in the boat after the property was searched and it was the owner walking his dog that noticed the blood and the broken strap on the boat. Again, an informed public is a valuable tool.
I am not implying that 9 years after the fact that the name of the art gallery is going to crack the case but some accurate information 9 years ago may have had a much greater impact.

I had seen the news on tv that the guy had gone out in his back yard to have a cigarette after the lock down was lifted. So I guess it depends on what channel you are watching.Digital communication is far more advanced now than it was in 2004.You are only making an assumption concerning family. You have no clue what was said or what was not said to LE.

hannah_b wrote:

I remember Whiston being kicked off the MMM forum for asking too many questions. Maybe he believed the purpose of the forum was finding her, but it was seemingly really meant as a shrine to the All American Girl and an altar to the Murray cult. Several other posters were scolded for asking questions. Then there was the Time Out Tent, complete with a bartender... People where so often punished for asking questions it became a joke even amongst themselves. Sickening, I say! I quickly realized I wouldn´t be welcome on that forum, so I refrained from posting and just read along.

I did exactly the same after I saw what was bing said.

mcsmom wrote:

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Fact if my research and source is correct. Interesting is that you did not need a major cc to rent, would run drivers license though.
IMO, a relative looks like Maura.

so its possible mauras look alike sister rented the red truck using Mauras license.Maybe it was Mauras sister on the ATM video too.Maybe it was Mauras look alike sister seen leaving the dorms.As Ive said before,it cant be confirmed it was actually Maura using the dorm room computer emailing.But where was Maura?

Was Maura at the Gallery on Sunday?

findmaura wrote:

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so its possible mauras look alike sister rented the red truck using Mauras license.Maybe it was Mauras sister on the ATM video too.Maybe it was Mauras look alike sister seen leaving the dorms.As Ive said before,it cant be confirmed it was actually Maura using the dorm room computer emailing.But where was Maura?

What I meant was a relative to the red truck owner has similarities to Maura.

this just popped into my head...
Alden, is the BSG still around?
Orko, what about an interview?

Advocate wrote:

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Are you aware that one of these men was 26 YEARS OLD, MARRIED AND A FATHER??? And the younger one was 19, arguably a "kid" but the press refers to him as a "man". At what age do people stop being "kids" and "young girls" and what not to you, J?
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a female child, a girl, is not an adult.
legal definitions of child / minor vs adult exist and are applied in various contexts.
21 years old is....an adult.
"my kid" is a slang term of affection....MM is not Jenky's kid, and MM isn't Jenky's "girl", much as citi would like to excuse his inappropriate designation.
by the reply you received, apparently, 33 years old, unmarried and childless must still be a boy.

it would be interesting, and more pleasant, to discuss and debate the issues around this past week's unprecedented events in another place with selected individuals. after all, there were Blackhawks over Boston.
prayers to the victims resulting from these acts of terror.

it's really amazing this thread is still active, given the paucity of facts for 10 years, and the pushback from the 'ladies in the know'.
i guess they should thank the 5 or 6 active posters for keeping up awareness, along with Renner for his soon-to-be published book.
interestingly, feedback about the MM FB page indicates the same attitude exists today as with the original MM forum, along with control and restricted commenting.

voila!

hannah_b wrote:

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I know an 80 year old who refers to 55 year olds as kids and young boys/girls.

again, that's another term of amusing endearment; the literal meaning is that the 80 y/o is really old....and by calling the 55 y/o's "kids", it makes the 80 y/o younger by comparison. you know?! it's all in the context.

here, MM is a 21 year old missing female; at some level, i think it's helpful if posters keep her description accurate. correctly, another poster stated MM is being infantilized when she is called a girl.

Age eighteen is when people stop being "girls" and "boys" and become women or men. Arguably, the younger brother was a "young man," as he was just over the age of majority. Both brothers, however, had the emotional and moral maturity of children.

Snowy "it would be interesting, and more pleasant, to discuss and debate the issues around this past week's unprecedented events in another place with selected individuals. after all, there were Blackhawks over Boston."
"prayers to the victims resulting from these acts of terror." citigirl No matter where you discuss or debate the issues of the past week it does not make anything more pleasant. Its a sad and heart breaking tragedy.

citigirl wrote:

Snowy "it would be interesting, and more pleasant, to discuss and debate the issues around this past week's unprecedented events in another place with selected individuals. after all, there were Blackhawks over Boston."
"prayers to the victims resulting from these acts of terror." citigirl No matter where you discuss or debate the issues of the past week it does not make anything more pleasant. Its a sad and heart breaking tragedy.

i am aware of the impact and enormity of the Boston situation, and foremost, its victims, as it affects all of us who live and work here, as well as the international community, and Homeland Security. oh, please, citi, spare me your correction

let me be more blunt and less polite than i was in the post you corrected. here goes...
Boston matters infinitely more today, this past week, and in the future than the 35K posts on Topix where you and others have played word and mind games for a number of years with the general public.
for all the reasons documented here and in comments on Renner's blog, you are lucky anyone cares enough about MM to discuss her on this public forum given the way said public and NH communities have been treated.

findmaura wrote:

Was Maura at the Gallery on Sunday?

Hoping this is one of the questions Renner asked the gallery director in his interview. I remember reading on one of the forums that Maura and Sara worked there the Sunday before Maura's disappearance. Would be nice if this could be verified.

Snowy wrote:

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a female child, a girl, is not an adult.
legal definitions of child / minor vs adult exist and are applied in various contexts.
21 years old is....an adult.
"my kid" is a slang term of affection....MM is not Jenky's kid, and MM isn't Jenky's "girl", much as citi would like to excuse his inappropriate designation.
by the reply you received, apparently, 33 years old, unmarried and childless must still be a boy.

Thanks, Snowy. I simply feel that referring to these particular young men as "kids" tends to minimalize what they did. I know that under certain common circumstances, family members might refer to their grown children as "the kids", or elderly people may refer to younger people as "kids" by comparison. But to refer to these two guys as "kids" in a public forum -- especially when the poster (presumably) doesn't know these men -- sounds like a "kids will be kids" kind of reference, a sense of tolerance for the behavior if you will. That's MHO, anyway.

Not trying to derail the MM thread. I didn't bring the Boston subject up.

citigirl wrote:

Snowy "it would be interesting, and more pleasant, to discuss and debate the issues around this past week's unprecedented events in another place with selected individuals. after all, there were Blackhawks over Boston."
"prayers to the victims resulting from these acts of terror." citigirl No matter where you discuss or debate the issues of the past week it does not make anything more pleasant. Its a sad and heart breaking tragedy.

Citigirl - when Julie asks for people to ask the FBI for involvement - people have the right to understand that the FBI with limited assets have to protect us from threats like what happened in Boston. Before anyone writes or puts their names behind a true letter of request to the FBI they should be entitled to ALL the facts when making a personal request so they can weigh their options.

I would question anyone who would blindly write the FBI to have them pull assets off any case when they don't know the TRUE circumstances of why MM left or what she was doing days before.

Family should consider changing the things they can change regarding the case like giving out more information. When family doesn't the public does have a right to ask why. Remember this isn't clan justice. "Keeping it in the family" is not an acceptable answer in the justice system. James Renner has just as much right to ask for justice for MM (if needed) than Julie and Fred. After nine years of silence and maybe misinformation people have the right to start to ask questions.

Advocate wrote:

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Thanks, Snowy. I simply feel that referring to these particular young men as "kids" tends to minimalize what they did. I know that under certain common circumstances, family members might refer to their grown children as "the kids", or elderly people may refer to younger people as "kids" by comparison. But to refer to these two guys as "kids" in a public forum -- especially when the poster (presumably) doesn't know these men -- sounds like a "kids will be kids" kind of reference, a sense of tolerance for the behavior if you will. That's MHO, anyway.
Not trying to derail the MM thread. I didn't bring the Boston subject up.

Good point - kids, boy, girl. Has the ring of childhood innocence to it.

What is this now about a red truck being rented by RDT´s female relative, a Maura look-alike? Where did this info (if this is what it is) originate? Mcsmom, c´mon, if you say A...

Advocate wrote:

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Thanks, Snowy. I simply feel that referring to these particular young men as "kids" tends to minimalize what they did. I know that under certain common circumstances, family members might refer to their grown children as "the kids", or elderly people may refer to younger people as "kids" by comparison. But to refer to these two guys as "kids" in a public forum -- especially when the poster (presumably) doesn't know these men -- sounds like a "kids will be kids" kind of reference, a sense of tolerance for the behavior if you will. That's MHO, anyway.
Not trying to derail the MM thread. I didn't bring the Boston subject up.

i agree with you, Advocate.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Citigirl - when Julie asks for people to ask the FBI for involvement - people have the right to understand that the FBI with limited assets have to protect us from threats like what happened in Boston. Before anyone writes or puts their names behind a true letter of request to the FBI they should be entitled to ALL the facts when making a personal request so they can weigh their options.
I would question anyone who would blindly write the FBI to have them pull assets off any case when they don't know the TRUE circumstances of why MM left or what she was doing days before.
Family should consider changing the things they can change regarding the case like giving out more information. When family doesn't the public does have a right to ask why. Remember this isn't clan justice. "Keeping it in the family" is not an acceptable answer in the justice system. James Renner has just as much right to ask for justice for MM (if needed) than Julie and Fred. After nine years of silence and maybe misinformation people have the right to start to ask questions.

Actually the FBI DOES know what she was doing in the days before she left, they investigated in mass immediately following her dissapearance. How could they NOT know?
They investigated & determined this wasn't an interstate kidnapping so it's not a federal crime. Meaning that what happened to her happened to her in NH & the Nh authorities are the investigative agency, unless they are invited in to help. They offered to help in NH as well but the NHSP refused

But to say that they don't know what she was doing in the days before she left is just wrong, what else was the FBI doing down in mass when they were investigating the case?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Citigirl - when Julie asks for people to ask the FBI for involvement - people have the right to understand that the FBI with limited assets have to protect us from threats like what happened in Boston. Before anyone writes or puts their names behind a true letter of request to the FBI they should be entitled to ALL the facts when making a personal request so they can weigh their options.

Valid point.

There are generally two schools of thought about what happened to Maura. On the one hand, there is evidence that suggests she ran away from her life (packed up dorm room, not telling anyone where she was going, her disappearance within a short window of time and the fact there's been no contact for these many years). The possibility of suicide is in this grouping.

On the other hand, there is evidence that suggests she was abducted (her disappearance within a short window of time and the fact there's been no contact for these many years).

Apparently her father's first "take" was that she might have gone to the White Mtns area to commit suicide. For him to say something like that, he had to have some reason for it to come to mind. But I think that, likewise, whatever he knew about Maura's life that he felt could have caused her to consider/commit suicide, could also have been the impetus to cause her to run away from her life to something she perceived as "better".

As has been pointed out in the past, the family's initial response was to ask Maura to come home, NOT to ask a potential abductor to "let her come home."

For these reasons, events of her general family connections and life before she left UMASS are potentially vitally important. It really is of value to know her state of mind at the time. I can't say whether her father "switched" to the belief she had been abducted so as to stimulate LE to a greater effort -- if he did, it's understandable. But if events of her life before Rt. 112 would tend to point to her CHOOSING to run away, this would be an important consideration for both LE and the public. And no, I couldn't in good faith urge the FBI to look for her without having a stronger opinion that she had been abducted.