Maura Murray

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Speaking factually,
There is no known phone call that upset Maura Murray the night she went into a zombie-like state at her work.
It is pure speculation that a phone call is what upset Maura, no proof of such and Maura was not a phone when she was found by her supervisor.

That's. right, Maura wasn't on her cell, but she pointed to it as if to say it was because of her sisters 10 something phone call. Kathleen didn't offer that she'd spoken to sis something like 3 hours prior. Police found out from cell records, asking K why she wasn't forthcoming with this major detail.
It all comes down to talking to Billy if you ask me. Her cell phone records show that she was on the phone with him about the time she was found bawling and reported as balling to the supervisor who couldn't get there for a while.

Tang Zoi wrote:

That PA property owned by Forcier was hopefully searched just to rule it out.

what do you mean hopefully? Don't you follow through to find out for yourself?

BillNH wrote:

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With or without he phone call the point stands. A scenario like I postulated, stemming from a seemingly unrelated fact, could lead to a cause of MM's disappearance.

I agree. The rumor that she went to New Hampshire to pay off a drug deal that whatever siblings had, has been in the works all along as entirely possible.

Tang Zoi wrote:

The last post by Bjack @ Crimenews before He was thrown off there was 3 pages long. I have that in My files. WoW....!

I'm sure you have your reasons for not commenting about the rest of my post.
and thats were I say wow.

Mcsmom wrote:

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Cyber Law claimed crimenews2000 published info on Maura on Tuesday Feb 10, 2004.

yes, and so did Helena, Frank and this "suspected" Billy Jack all worked on the case together for several years.

JWB "I think I can prove the gut that emailed renner the nasty email is a fraud" Because of the racist remarks in this email I think it should be investigated by LE. If you think you can prove this email as fraud then maybe it was just a ploy to get people interested in JRs blog again. I personally would not have posted an email like this. I would have automatically sent it to the CCU and let them handle it.

Shack wrote:

Jenkins....for the first time ever...you lost me...
not search your property...? puhleeze...
Not my bedroom..kitchen type search....but a not land search? Why not.....? unless of a fear of...?
I have always been agreeable to your Posts...but...

Ehh you're right shack, I've kinda rethought what I wrote last night & if a girl actually went missing in my neighborhood & LE wanted to do a land search & clear my property I would probably let them.
A missing person is kind of a very special circumstance clearly. The only reason I wouldn't allow a search would be just for the point of the matter & a missing person is not the place to make a point.
But remember I said that If the family wanted to search my land they'd be more than welcome to any time, I would never deny the family of a missing person i'd even take for a walk through of my house if they asked just to show them I'm on their side, I would never take LE on a walk through my house though.

My original point was that it's my property so I would be in a much better position than any cop to know what's out of place or not & if there was something out of place I would not touch anything & call the police to come check it out.
But in reality I would probably do a walk through with the cops through my property & point them to anything that appears to be out of place.

You're right shack, in a missing persons case that's the time to make special exceptions for a very special circumstance. I pray I'll never have to go through the experience of having someone dissapear from my neighborhood.

nodope wrote:

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That's. right, Maura wasn't on her cell, but she pointed to it as if to say it was because of her sisters 10 something phone call. Kathleen didn't offer that she'd spoken to sis something like 3 hours prior. Police found out from cell records, asking K why she wasn't forthcoming with this major detail.
It all comes down to talking to Billy if you ask me. Her cell phone records show that she was on the phone with him about the time she was found bawling and reported as balling to the supervisor who couldn't get there for a while.

And I say so what. Maura pointed at her cell phone.

Judging by how vague she was, IMO, she really didn't want to let the supervisor in on what was truly bothering her. It was probably about the only thing Maura could muster up at the exact moment she was confronted was to point to something. Maura was literally speechless for the first few minutes her supervisor was standing over her before she then pointed to her phone and then began to cry.

Everyone is jumping to a conclusion that a phone call is what upset Maura that night. No proof whatsoever that a phone call (regardless from whom it came) had anything to do with Maura's meltdown.

And it was a legit meltdown, not someone sad because she had a test the next day or "playing things up" to get out of work early.

Maura was non-responsive for several minutes to anyone. And Maura went back to being non-responsive (after she had been signed out of work). She had to be lured like you would lure a tiger with raw meat to leave her post and head for the door.

Copied & pasted from Websleuths MM thread #3.

CyberLaw posted:
"Peabody: Well for starters you are assuming alot, which of course does not surprise me. When I first learned of a women going "missing" in NH it was on Crimenews2000.com .
They follow different stories. So when I went to that site on the morning of 2/10/04 all I had to do was click on the link which lead me to to the story. I remember the story because of the dog and the picture of the dog with snow falling. I don't know if this story was in print and/or only online. I only read it online."

Peabody´s reply:

"I asked you why you were reading a particular newspaper when by its own pronoucement it states that it publishes local news for a community with 11,000 subscribers.
I have followed Maura's case from the beginning. To my knowledge and to the knowledge of the family and friends (I have checked with them) the FIRST Media coverage was by Gary Lindsley on 2/13/04 in The Caledonian Record and also by Gary Lindsley on Greta Van Sustern of Fox Cable News on the evening of 2/13/04 (Fox News was not available in Canada in 2004 - I believe it has only been within the last 6 months that the Canadian govt has allowed it to be aired in your country).
As to you finding information regarding Maura at Crimenews2000.com on the morning of 2/10, I must point out that you are mistaken.

According to their archives, their first mention of Maura is on 2/17/04 and references Channel 9 WNNE out of NH as their source."

Another oddity... According to Peabody the first press realease by Haverhill PD stated a witness had described a "young woman about 5'10" with dark hair". That´s quite tall for a woman. Wasn´t she 5'7"? The BOLO first put out described her to have black hair reaching below shoulders, later changed to brown shoulderlength hair. Seems they were searching for someone who didn´t really match MM´s appearance?(ok, rehashing, I know...)

So the first news reports had the accident happening just after 7pm AND the description was totally off?? 5'10 with hair past her shoulders?

Is that part about the description true? Has anybody verified it said that yet?

That's interesting. At that point were they going off the SBD's description? If so that is highly interesting.

How tall was Kathy brunell??? Lol-totally kidding

Jenkins wrote:

So the first news reports had the accident happening just after 7pm AND the description was totally off?? 5'10 with hair past her shoulders?
Is that part about the description true? Has anybody verified it said that yet?
That's interesting. At that point were they going off the SBD's description? If so that is highly interesting.
How tall was Kathy brunell??? Lol-totally kidding

Not funny. She's dead.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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And I say so what. Maura pointed at her cell phone.
Judging by how vague she was, IMO, she really didn't want to let the supervisor in on what was truly bothering her. It was probably about the only thing Maura could muster up at the exact moment she was confronted was to point to something. Maura was literally speechless for the first few minutes her supervisor was standing over her before she then pointed to her phone and then began to cry.
Everyone is jumping to a conclusion that a phone call is what upset Maura that night. No proof whatsoever that a phone call (regardless from whom it came) had anything to do with Maura's meltdown.
And it was a legit meltdown, not someone sad because she had a test the next day or "playing things up" to get out of work early.
Maura was non-responsive for several minutes to anyone. And Maura went back to being non-responsive (after she had been signed out of work). She had to be lured like you would lure a tiger with raw meat to leave her post and head for the door.

make no mistake, I totally agree with you.

nodope wrote:

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I agree. The rumor that she went to New Hampshire to pay off a drug deal that whatever siblings had, has been in the works all along as entirely possible.

Bullshit, total bullshit. She ain't missing bc of a damn drug debt!! Be for real people, that's just stupid. I don't wanna be an asshole but it's sooo true. & honestly everybody who's saying shit like that MUST know it's stupid but they don't care, they want to blame the victim; anything they can say to put blame on the victim. It's pretty disgusting that people do that.

People dont kill college students over drug debts, don't happen. Even a cartel or street gang that do kill other gangsters don't make people go missing off drug debts, they kill them so others know they're dead cuz otherwise what's the point? Only reason to kill someone off a drug debt would be to scare others with debts into paying their debts.
Nvm the fact that drug killings are done by cartels, street gangs & biker gangs, not some idiot kid selling a little drugs at college, to suggest otherwise is just plain wrong.

Whoever thinks anything like that is OBVIOUSLY watching wayyyyyyy too much tv. The whole notion that the drug community is violent Is a total myth perpetuated by the media for ratings, plain and simple. You guys are confusing street gangs with a college girl who probably never did any drugs until she went to umass & still if anything probably smoked some weed & maybe did some pills at MOST.
A college kid is a citizen, a normal member of society. People in gangs don't kill citizens. If a gang killed a college student they'd have the state police & the Feds & all that all over em in a second & they know that. That ain't good for business. People sell drugs to make money, not to kill each other. It is a total myth that drug dealers are violent. Suppliers like cartels & biker gangs yea, kids selling drugs to college kids?? Hells nah, no freekin way.

I'd say the biggest indicator she wasn't involved in drugs in any way is the fact that nothing was EVER said about that in the media by LE. Look at the Brianna maitland case, LE all but blamed her dissapearance on her association with drug dealers. Which was stupid then too. That girl was not killed over drug debts, I don't care what anybody says, they're WRONG. Just bc she associated with some guys that sold drugs does not mean those kids would kill her over a drug debt. They're up in vt to MAKE MONEY, not kill people. Anybody they sell drugs to gets Hurt n theyre done. Bri went missing & they were done bc the cops raiding their spot & they got busted & sent to jail. Notice there was never anything connecting them to her crime?? She was not killed over drugs, she was killed bc she was a young pretty girl, sad but true. Take your heads out of the sand for one minute and THINK.

Can someone point to just ONE case of a college girl, or even boy, who's EVER been killed over a drug debt. Just one? I'm not talking some thug in a street gang that's going to community college to keep out of jail, I'm talkin a student at a major university like umass is.

This is obviously more of the blame the victim crap, plain and simple. It's pretty disgusting IMO, people that will find anything they possibly can to put it on her, no matter how little sense it makes, like it is her fault that she went missing. Rather instead than to look at society & realize that there's a serious problem with these sickos who hate women & commit crimes against them.

This is just so stupid, saying she's missing because of a drug debt is BARELY one step above saying she got abducted by aliens or Bigfoot, just BARELY.

You're suggesting that we should consider something that in all likelihood has NEVER happened, if it has we're talking like MAYBE once or twice EVER.
you people do realize that women get murdered EVERY DAY right?? Anyone who's looking at something that never happens & actually considering it over something that happens ALL THE TIME is just putting their head in the sand &/or blaming the victim. And then they call it 'investigating'!!! WOW!!! Coming up with any stupid thing that MAYBE could POSSIBLY happen, but really never happens ever in the real world, that's not investigating, that's called MAKING SHIT UP!!

Blame to victim, awesome people do that, that's some real integrity right there.
Take your heads out of the sand and admit that women get murdered all the time, women get murdered by strangers all the time.
Then you might realize that there's a damn good chance that Maura got murdered by some sick fuck who hates women. Especially considering the area she went missing in.
That area has a long history of many women being murdered by strangers under very similar circumstances to MM, woman out on the road alone by herself. This has happened many times. Anybody who thinks that this couldn't have happened is seriously just in denial.

Be for real people!!!

Orky- now you're saying that the phone call never happened??? The one that reduced her to tears?
I'm sorry but your whole argument about there being no phone call makes no sense to me & it never did. I might be wrong & just misunderstanding you but I don't think I am.

In an early news report a umass cop is quoted and is clearly talking about the call that came in after midnight that reduced her to tears. The cop straight up says they 'were able to trace the origin of the call but had no way of knowing who was on the other end'. Meaning the call came from an on campus phone that's found in a common area. It's clear what call they're talking about, I know you say things about there being confusion in the media but the cop is talking the call that took place after midnight, so I'm pretty sure your wrong.

The whole thing is that call wasn't recieved on her cell, it came into her desk phone. We know this bc there was no call from on campus to her cell phone. We know the cop said it was traced back an on campus phone. That means that the call came to her desk phone.
Maybe I'm way off base here but I don't believe I am.
Was the umass cop just completely making it up? Why would he make up something about tracing a call? Seems strange. Seems hard for the media to confuse what the cops said about the call & it being traced. I think youre wrong but I'm not sure.

Orky- you're a good guy, I've always like debating you. Just a thought but I think you're taking this whole Renner thing wayyy too personal. You just sound wicked pissed lately. You're clearly taking this whole thing with Renner personally & it's seriously effecting your objectivity. What little objectivity you had.
Now you're just tryin to say Renner is wrong no matter what, even when he's obviously right. Perfect example- the Londonderry ping.

The Londonderry ping DEFINITELY happened, no doubt. Only thing Renner has wrong is calling it a ping. You're right that it's not a ping, it was an attempted phone call placed by someone TO maura's phone that went through the Londonderry,NH cell tower. It wasn't received bc her phone was off right then. So it wasn't a pong they were looking for but rather the identity of a caller that tried to call her who's call went through that tower.

So for you to say that it just didn't happen, you're completely totally wrong.
If you said that calling it a ping is wrong but it happened, you'd be right. But you didn't, what you said about the Londonderry ping was wrong.

I'm sorry Orky, I like you as a poster but you've been acting like a baby lately, it sucks. I hate to see you acting like that, totally letting your emotions control you instead of your intellect. You just are looking wicked jealous of Renner IMO.

Wowzer- yea no shit she's dead, I obviously wasn't joking about Kathy brunell and you know it.
You clearly said that just to try to make me look bad.

I said that making fun of Alden who about a month ago under a few different monikers went on & on about how KB looked just like MM when she went missing. Totally a joke about those stupid ridiculous posts trying to blame everything on McKay w KB as an accomplice, not a joke about her herself.

So who cares if she is dead? I wasn't joking about her but rather the idiot Alden that said she did a MM impression & helped McKay kill mm.

Why do you lie & mischaracterize what I say? Whats the point? Why do you & you angry band of misfit trolls care soooo much about what I say? Why try to hard to make me look bad? Weirdo!

Hi all Mauras' supervisor was told bye a third person that 'something was up with Maura' and then she went to check on Maura.We are told her supervisor advised her to see a counsellor so I assume Maura told her more of her situation.take care philip

Tang Zoi wrote:

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To My knowledge....and I know Fred personally, RC Stevens was never hired by Fred Murray, Fred has never hired ANY PI's. RC stevens offered His services Pro-bono.

Fred Murray did not hire any PI's...Period.

Tang - Are you still maintaining that RC Stevens was never hired by Fred Murray and that RC Stevens offered his unsolicited services to Fred Murray pro bono?