Maura Murray

Tang Zoi wrote:

And the craziness continues..........

Probably because there isn't anything sane to do here.

The triple-decker, student rental/party house on Phillips St., Amherst MA, likely frequented by Maura Murray, was owned by an autobody person.

The mortgage on the Phillips St. house was held by an autobody person.

Vasi's life-threatening injuries, sustained 2/5/04 on Triangle St., Amherst MA, are consistent with having been hit by a motor vehicle.

Maura Murray's father's Corolla was crashed 2/8/04.

Maura Murray's father's Saturn was crashed 2/9/04.

An autobody person (BSG) saw damage to the Saturn before the Saturn left Amherst and was found abandoned shortly thereafter in Haverhill NH.

The same autobody person (BSG) who saw damage to the Saturn also saw the damaged Corolla.

Police inspected the Corolla after its crash.

The first PI to investigate Maura Murray's disappearance was a certified expert auto crash reconstructionist who does work for Amherst Appraisal, an auto crash appraisal company.

The PI's office has been located for the past few years exactly next to, in the same building as, Amherst Appraisal.

Amherst Appraisal's 2004 office abutted the property of the Hadley motel where Maura's father was a guest.(Amherst Appraisal and the PI's office still abut the motel's property line.)

The Corolla was, according to a Hadley MA police officer, towed to the Hadley motel where Maura Murray's father was a guest.

A post on Topix, in 2008, stated that, according to an anonymous autobody repairman (BSG), the Corolla was inspected by area police. This post was followed hours later, after dark, by minor vandalism to the poster's property.

Tang Zoi wrote:

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To My knowledge....and I know Fred personally, RC Stevens was never hired by Fred Murray, Fred has never hired ANY PI's. RC stevens offered His services Pro-bono...

Fred Murray did not hire any PI's...Period.

Sticking with this?

Tang Zoi wrote:

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CyberLaw...Bjack....Suru.....H eronIn TheSnow....

Bjack, now this I do recall.
In all your investigating, has any one bothered to check Records with crimenews2000 to find out just exactly who Billy Jack was? well I'm certain you have an idea, you also took this person into the investigation. Care to explain that one?

nodope wrote:

<quoted text>Bjack, now this I do recall.
In all your investigating, has any one bothered to check Records with crimenews2000 to find out just exactly who Billy Jack was? well I'm certain you have an idea, you also took this person into the investigation. Care to explain that one?

Cyber Law claimed crimenews2000 published info on Maura on Tuesday Feb 10, 2004.

Cuponoodles Beaglebait wrote:

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Probably because there isn't anything sane to do here.

yes, a "Pointless Endeavor"

Jenkins,
Hypothetical (sort of) situation:
So, Kathleen was a drug user, inferred from her arrest. That's the starting point.
When did her drug abuse start? Prior to MM's disappearance? Probably. OK, who was she associated with in 2004? Tim Carpenter is one...who was he associated with? Did one of them get in too deep with a dealer? Owed thousands of dollars or more?
Was the late night phone call from one of those drug dealers telling Maura that Kathleen told them she (MM) had the money? Did they tell MM that she had to pay up or else? Is that why she hung up and said "my sister"? Was she in a catatonic state because her life was just threatened?
Was MM heading to NH as a meeting point to pay off those dealers with the 4k from Fred? Did the payoff already happen? Did Maura get mouthy, get robbed, killed, thrown in the drug dealers trunk and an associate of the drug dealer drove MM's car to the WB and abandon it?
Does the guilt over MM's disappearance lead to Kathleen's drinking problem? Did the drinking due to guilt lead to her arrest for DUI? There's another starting point.
All connected to Kathleen's (hypothetical although likely)drug abuse in 2004, which is eventually connected to her arrest 7 years later for cultivation. See how easily it could fit? How handily MM's disappearance could be linked to Kathleen's arrest? Did anyone look that deep? Is it even possible to confirm those connections if they existed?
Now, I don't believe any of that happened, but it could have. There are no facts that we know of to prove it didn't. Hundreds of things that we find insignificant could have led to MM's disappearance. The truth is, we just don't know. We can speculate, we can guess, we can calculate what is probable, likely, possible, reasonable, logical, but in the end, we don't KNOW. Until the truth is revealed, ANY scenario that fits the few known details is possible.

Tang Zoi wrote:

And the craziness continues..........

Did you actually think it would stop?

BillNH wrote:

Jenkins,
Hypothetical (sort of) situation:
So, Kathleen was a drug user, inferred from her arrest. That's the starting point.
When did her drug abuse start? Prior to MM's disappearance? Probably. OK, who was she associated with in 2004? Tim Carpenter is one...who was he associated with? Did one of them get in too deep with a dealer? Owed thousands of dollars or more?
Was the late night phone call from one of those drug dealers telling Maura that Kathleen told them she (MM) had the money? Did they tell MM that she had to pay up or else? Is that why she hung up and said "my sister"? Was she in a catatonic state because her life was just threatened?
Was MM heading to NH as a meeting point to pay off those dealers with the 4k from Fred? Did the payoff already happen? Did Maura get mouthy, get robbed, killed, thrown in the drug dealers trunk and an associate of the drug dealer drove MM's car to the WB and abandon it?
Does the guilt over MM's disappearance lead to Kathleen's drinking problem? Did the drinking due to guilt lead to her arrest for DUI? There's another starting point.
All connected to Kathleen's (hypothetical although likely)drug abuse in 2004, which is eventually connected to her arrest 7 years later for cultivation. See how easily it could fit? How handily MM's disappearance could be linked to Kathleen's arrest? Did anyone look that deep? Is it even possible to confirm those connections if they existed?
Now, I don't believe any of that happened, but it could have. There are no facts that we know of to prove it didn't. Hundreds of things that we find insignificant could have led to MM's disappearance. The truth is, we just don't know. We can speculate, we can guess, we can calculate what is probable, likely, possible, reasonable, logical, but in the end, we don't KNOW. Until the truth is revealed, ANY scenario that fits the few known details is possible.

Speaking factually,

There is no known phone call that upset Maura Murray the night she went into a zombie-like state at her work.

It is pure speculation that a phone call is what upset Maura, no proof of such and Maura was not a phone when she was found by her supervisor.

should say Maura was not on a phone when her supervisor found her.

It was the supervisor's account of Maura saying "My sister" that she relayed in a statement to police that made police believe that a potential phone call (from Maura's sister hours earlier) is a possible source for what made Maura upset.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Did you actually think it would stop?

he feeds it! and when there is silence, he jump starts it!

it got reported as a gospel in the press that a phone call is what upset Maura, when in factuality it was just an assumption, going off the supervisor's statement (turned in days later) to police

Shack wrote:

The Cheap Shot is "My Search for Maura Murray".
Maura Murray wasn't missing until 7PM 2/9/2004.
The cheap shots are the majority of his "findings" are years prior. I am surprised that he has not, as yet, delved into her toilet training years.
When, and if, he or anyone starts to really try to "Find Maura" it will be "about time".

A cheap shot IMO would be for someone to blame innocent people because someone refused help and left the scene of an accident and then disappeared. And if someone called those people who unfortunately lived in the vicinity of the accident rats in a nest that needed to be sprayed with Lysol and accused them of incest then I would also call that a cheap shot.
Oh wait!!!!That was you throwing the cheap shots at the locals.
Gosh your shoulders must be getting tired from carrying all that disgust and hatred around for all these years.

SnowyB wrote:

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he feeds it! and when there is silence, he jump starts it!

I noticed thateven too. Lol

Orko Kringer wrote:

it got reported as a gospel in the press that a phone call is what upset Maura, when in factuality it was just an assumption, going off the supervisor's statement (turned in days later) to police

With or without he phone call the point stands. A scenario like I postulated, stemming from a seemingly unrelated fact, could lead to a cause of MM's disappearance.

Have no idea how "even" got into my last post.

Maura Murray is missing......

The last post by Bjack @ Crimenews before He was thrown off there was 3 pages long. I have that in My files. WoW....!

That PA property owned by Forcier was hopefully searched just to rule it out.

JWB. " You have no compassion for people and that is what life is all about." WHAT! Bill offered to send me money for posters. If he had no compassion he would not have offered this. He has also actually been actively involved in searches. To me this is a person with compassion. Although our postings differ from one another concerning as to what happened to Maura I believe we have had respect for one another.