Maura Murray

SnowyB wrote:

unless you're in the business of LE, or necessarily into everyone else's business, i am not in the habit of staring at people long enough to be able to describe their facial features, physical features, and clothing, especially in the dark, or in the glare of headlights.
i trust SBD might have had to reach into his conscious memory to reflect on the physical description of the young woman whom he hadn't anticipated disappearing.
i'd be hard pressed to provide those definitive details after a casual meeting with a stranger.

I've always had the same thoughts. Supposedly, SBD didn't get off the bus. He stood in the doorway of it, talking to the female driver. Now, this puts him at a height advantage over the driver. Also, he was, how tall? I can't remember specifics. I just remember very tall.

It was dark. His headlights on the bus were on. And the female was supposedly squeezing out the driver's door....between the door and the snow bank on the side of the road. There was a "dent" in the bank that the door had made.

Where did they get her height for the BOLO? And her age? Wasn't it accurate on the BOLO? 5'7. Age 21. Am I remembering correctly? All my notes are in storage.....aaaarrrggghhh.

And, I can't drive with my hair up on the back of my head. I agree with this. And I'm shorter than Maura Murray's height.

BillNH wrote:

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18:10 is ten after six not 7:04
does it actually show it was edited and redacted? can you post a copy of it?

I've also seen different versions of the dispatch report. And, they weren't provided under discovery rules so, no, they don't show what was redacted. They don't show if they're edited.

They're different from each other. There are parts in one copy that are there. But not in the other copy. And vice versa.

And that's always bugged me cuz I worked for litigation lawyers for years.

This time I AM slow on the uptake. It's not on the log so they had to have deleted it.

That explains why the Flying Saucer that landed in the Cottage Hospital parking lot at 18:45 is not on there either.

BillNH wrote:

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18:10 is ten after six not 7:04
does it actually show it was edited and redacted? can you post a copy of it?

Sorry.....NO I can not.

I don't suppose anyone wants to post the "other" copy or know where it is posted?

Lady Gray wrote:

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I've also seen different versions of the dispatch report. And, they weren't provided under discovery rules so, no, they don't show what was redacted. They don't show if they're edited.
They're different from each other. There are parts in one copy that are there. But not in the other copy. And vice versa.
And that's always bugged me cuz I worked for litigation lawyers for years.

I agree. I've seen 3 copies. All are slightly different, redacted in different places without notations as to what was redacted or why. I assume this is because one copy was handed to family, and the others obtained through NH's Right To Know law or FOIA. Not sure where the third version originally came from or who redacted it.

BillNH wrote:

I don't suppose anyone wants to post the "other" copy or know where it is posted?

One is on MMM website, another on Renner's blog, and a third was posted to Advocate's forum but is no longer online (as far as I know). Maybe Citigirl and Tang have a fourth version.

amy researches wrote:

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One is on MMM website, another on Renner's blog, and a third was posted to Advocate's forum but is no longer online (as far as I know). Maybe Citigirl and Tang have a fourth version.

Renner has 2 versions, just slightly different. One of Renner's is the same as the one on MMM.

Tang...why can't you post it?

Tang Zoi wrote:

John Green is Beagle.......

John Green isn't Beagle.

BillNH wrote:

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Renner has 2 versions, just slightly different. One of Renner's is the same as the one on MMM.
Tang...why can't you post it?

There were no earth shattering differences that I noticed. The only strange thing I saw was that in one version the portion right before Maura's accident is a blank spot on the middle of the page (like it was redacted) while on another version the part with Maura's accident began on a new page. This is the portion I think Tang is referencing. If that makes sense.

Some people believe a prior accident occurred around 7pm. This 7pm accident, if it happened, would have been noted on the portion of the log that appears to have been redacted on one of the copies. Personally I am not convinced that the prior accident happened, but to each his own.

Lady Gray wrote:

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I've also seen different versions of the dispatch report. And, they weren't provided under discovery rules so, no, they don't show what was redacted. They don't show if they're edited.
They're different from each other. There are parts in one copy that are there. But not in the other copy. And vice versa.
And that's always bugged me cuz I worked for litigation lawyers for years.

Ias well as my sister and Fred personaly went to Grafton County Sheriffs Department in Nov of 04 requesting the dispatch log.It was handed over to Fred. This was the only document given to Fred until he filed for the right to know.The one that was sent to the courts has different info on it. The log I have does not match up with the log in the court documents.

Listening to the scanner right now....call @ 92 wild ammo rd. right next to Weathered Barn.

Amy reseachers"There were no earth shattering differences that I noticed" May I suggest that you go back and read both logs and let us know what you see in the 1st log and let us know what is missing and different from the 2nd log.Thank you.

Citigirl, is the log that you obtained with your sister and Fred different from the log that is posted on your family's website?

Advocate wrote:

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Seems like proof it was Maura would be fingerprints -- on the steering wheel, on the door, on the trunk. She was said to not wear gloves much, so it could be presumed that she was not wearing gloves when driving. Does anyone know if fingerprinting was done on the Saturn? Was there any powder residue in/on the Saturn that would likely be from fingerprinting? If printing was done, and LE has not said the driver was not Maura, then probably the driver was Maura. Of course, there are other factors that make it more likely than not that the driver was indeed Maura.

MM's NaMUS profile says fingerprint information is not available.

Guess she was not fingerprinted at the time of the CC fraud.

Now I think John Green is doing it on purpose. Renner posted the New City phone number ID on 1/15/12 not 1/15/13.

BillNH wrote:

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MM's NaMUS profile says fingerprint information is not available.
Guess she was not fingerprinted at the time of the CC fraud.

I might be wrong about this, but I think a person who goes to West Point is fingerprinted as part of the application or acceptance process -- does anyone know for sure?

Advocate wrote:

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I might be wrong about this, but I think a person who goes to West Point is fingerprinted as part of the application or acceptance process -- does anyone know for sure?

From what I can tell, looks like 2012 was the first year fingerprints were required.

BillNH wrote:

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From what I can tell, looks like 2012 was the first year fingerprints were required.

Scratch that. Guess you need fingerprints as part of registration. 2012 was the first year it was required BEFORE registration. So she should have fingerprints on file. Wonder why NamUS says they don't have fingerprint info......

if WP requires fingerprints it would be for the military's use, not LE. I'm not positive but I think everyone in the military needs to provide prints, but again this isn't for LE to use, this is for the military to use for whatever purpose they use them for, maybe identifying bodies?

It is kind of strange that she didn't get printed after her CC arrest but it's not entirely THAT strange. It was VERY minor offense she was charged with, they had no reason to question her identity and probably didn't even bother printing her.
Was she even brought into any police station after this arrest? I don't believe that she was. To my knowledge she was basically booked right on the spot iin her dorm and released on the spot with a summons to court, hence the 'mugshot' being taken in the hallway of her dorm.

When you're arrested for a crime the cops don't have to take you into the station, they can book you and issue a summons right on the spot. Often times on minor offenses that's exactly what happens, and it appears that's what happened in maura's case.

What I find interesting about that is that say she's alive right now and living under a fake name. Theoretically she could be booked and brought into a police station for fingerprints and they would have absolutely no way of knowing that she was a missing person, because her prints aren't file.

I don't think that's what happened but it is possible.