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If lying, making up stories and casting suspicion had been helpful, Maura would have been found years ago.
Yeh, it makes one wonder why he's tried so hard to lead posters on a wild goose chase all this time. There's no logic behind it that I can see. There's lots that he's not telling about himself.

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As for Maura's inclusion on the CCU list there is no interpretation needed, the language is very clear and unambiguous.
It clearly says that they only investigate missing persons where foul play is suspected, meaning they suspect foul play in her dissapearance. There is no other possible answer, if you guys want to pretend there' annother interpretation that's your right to do so but it's incorrect.
Now that doesn't neccesarily mean they're right, they obviously could be wrong, that just means that they suspect foul play.
When you ccombine her inclusion on the CCU list with the sheer amount of time and resources that they've put into this case then it's very hard to say that the NHSP doesn't truly believe that she got murdered. 6,000 hours is a tremendous amoun of time, bggest case in NH history, this would have to be the most investigated suicide in history if it turns out she killed herself.
So i'm not saying she definitely got killed or definitely isn't lost in the woods somewhere, nobody can possibly say that at this point, all I'm saying is that the proffesional investigators who's job it is to investigate this case believe that she fell victim to foul play.
I'm sorry to tell you lighthouse but that is a very logical conclusion to draw based on the words and actions of the NHSP in regards to this case. It is MUCH more of a logical conclusion than to say they DON'T believe she fell victim to foul play. That conclusion completely flies in the face of logic and truth. To say that proffffessional homicide investigators are going to put 6,000 hours into a case they believe is a suicide is just ridiculous, i find it very hard to believe anyone actually thinks that.
I can see people maybe disagreeing with the NHSP, they could be wrong, but it's clear that they SUSPECT foul play, there's no question about that.
Jenkins it's hard enough to get through one of your lengthy posts but now you are copying and pasting them so posters have to read through twice. Really??? Is that really necessary?

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I thought Renner owned the MM blog. Was I mistaken?
When you click on John Green's name it says that his blogs are :
[ Signs of Life and Death]
[ My Search for Maura Murray]
The first blog is empty and the second blog that he claims is his goes to Renner's blog. Did Renner give him the blog? Or am I missing something?
I also find it interesting that with all the talk about JG that Renner hasn't popped in here to defend him or at least say something.

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BTW Amy, I also did a check for disciplinary actions against Green in the states that have that access online and didn't find his name. Not surprising as I strongly doubt he has ever practiced law.
I did the same. Didn't find anything either. I'm glad someone else saw what I saw on his FB and has proof, in case I'm accused of lying. I looked from my phone but didn't do a screen grab. Went back later and it was gone.

It's baffling to me why he would make this up. But that seems to be the case.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:
I thought Renner owned the MM blog. Was I mistaken?
When you click on John Green's name it says that his blogs are :
[ Signs of Life and Death]
[ My Search for Maura Murray]
The first blog is empty and the second blog that he claims is his goes to Renner's blog. Did Renner give him the blog? Or am I missing something?
I also find it interesting that with all the talk about JG that Renner hasn't popped in here to defend him or at least say something.
That's just how blogger profiles are. I have been one of many writers on a blogger site and it will list any blog you write for as your blog.

I am surprised that Renner and Green have not responded. I just came back from an appointment and figured I would see some kind of explanation and/or have been called some names by now.

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That's just how blogger profiles are. I have been one of many writers on a blogger site and it will list any blog you write for as your blog.
I am surprised that Renner and Green have not responded. I just came back from an appointment and figured I would see some kind of explanation and/or have been called some names by now.
Thanks for explaining.

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I am interested to see how this all plays out.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Oh that is my good side. It's amazing what you can find out when you sit and chat with new friends from Littleton, Woodsville, North Woodstock and other places. Yep, freakin amazing.
Well....Tell us more....can't wait to hear this. Remember My shoulders are big enough to handle the weight.

John
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Interesting; John Posted on the blog two days ago and there still haven't been any comments posted...Typically, there would be at least twenty by now...Trouble in paradise?

John Green, for the sake of God man don't leave us hanging....We're all waiting with bated breathe for your theory on why we are all such haters, dude, buddy (spoken in a shameful whisper). Oh, I know, the weather up here is a little damp for your liking so you are on sabbatical....By the way, I thought you might like to know that my uncle daddy finally passed the bar today! Unfortunately, he ended up driving back for happy hour..Damned consumption. ; )

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Interesting; John Posted on the blog two days ago and there still haven't been any comments posted...Typically, there would be at least twenty by now...Trouble in paradise?
John Green, for the sake of God man don't leave us hanging....We're all waiting with bated breathe for your theory on why we are all such haters, dude, buddy (spoken in a shameful whisper). Oh, I know, the weather up here is a little damp for your liking so you are on sabbatical....By the way, I thought you might like to know that my uncle daddy finally passed the bar today! Unfortunately, he ended up driving back for happy hour..Damned consumption. ; )
Now that your uncle daddy passed the bar you can now sit in one of the cheap seats. I'll have your name put on one as they're going fast. If during happy hour your uncle daddy consumed cheap whiskey then you are also entitled to a cheap footstool to go with your cheap seat.

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Jenkins wrote:
As for Maura's inclusion on the CCU list there is no interpretation needed, the language is very clear and unambiguous.
It clearly says that they only investigate missing persons where foul play is suspected, meaning they suspect foul play in her dissapearance. There is no other possible answer, if you guys want to pretend there' annother interpretation that's your right to do so but it's incorrect.
Now that doesn't neccesarily mean they're right, they obviously could be wrong, that just means that they suspect foul play.
When you ccombine her inclusion on the CCU list with the sheer amount of time and resources that they've put into this case then it's very hard to say that the NHSP doesn't truly believe that she got murdered. 6,000 hours is a tremendous amoun of time, bggest case in NH history, this would have to be the most investigated suicide in history if it turns out she killed herself.
So i'm not saying she definitely got killed or definitely isn't lost in the woods somewhere, nobody can possibly say that at this point, all I'm saying is that the proffesional investigators who's job it is to investigate this case believe that she fell victim to foul play.
I'm sorry to tell you lighthouse but that is a very logical conclusion to draw based on the words and actions of the NHSP in regards to this case. It is MUCH more of a logical conclusion than to say they DON'T believe she fell victim to foul play. That conclusion completely flies in the face of logic and truth. To say that proffffessional homicide investigators are going to put 6,000 hours into a case they believe is a suicide is just ridiculous, i find it very hard to believe anyone actually thinks that.
I can see people maybe disagreeing with the NHSP, they could be wrong, but it's clear that they SUSPECT foul play, there's no question about that.
Jenkins,
Your question was ...Can anyone show anything that shows they're NOT conducting a murder investigation?

You were shown that it is not in fact a murder investigation.

If you need further proof, read the transcript from the court case FM filed to get access to investigatory documents. Det. Landry and AAG Strelzin BOTH denied they were working a murder case. They had the opportunity to call it murder, and it probably would have strengthened their case vs. FM if they had, and neither one could do it. Strelzin says" Well it truly is a missing person case, Maura Murray is missing, but it's an investigation that law enforcement is conducting looking into her disappearance. It certainly has criminal overtones to it, that's why our office is involved, and that's why the state police are doing this" and "Again, I don't know what happened to Maura Murray. I'm hopeful it's not a homicide investigation..."

That does not sound at all like a murder investigation. They both also offered in their testimony that they felt that their investigation is likely to result in criminal charges, Strelzin quantified that with a percentage, 75%. Not Murder charges, criminal charges. The fact that they do not have the confidence to even call potential charges "murder", tells me that the charges could be anything from filing a false report to insurance fraud. They never called it anything but criminal charges and backed away from calling it murder, every time. But still only potentially, and that was 6 years ago.

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How far down the rabbit hole are we going to go?

The call to Billy's phone at the airport when he shut it off.....why did he say it was... Maura?

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Jenkins wrote:
As for Maura's inclusion on the CCU list there is no interpretation needed, the language is very clear and unambiguous.
It clearly says that they only investigate missing persons where foul play is suspected, meaning they suspect foul play in her dissapearance. There is no other possible answer, if you guys want to pretend there' annother interpretation that's your right to do so but it's incorrect.
Now that doesn't neccesarily mean they're right, they obviously could be wrong, that just means that they suspect foul play.
When you ccombine her inclusion on the CCU list with the sheer amount of time and resources that they've put into this case then it's very hard to say that the NHSP doesn't truly believe that she got murdered. 6,000 hours is a tremendous amoun of time, bggest case in NH history, this would have to be the most investigated suicide in history if it turns out she killed herself.
So i'm not saying she definitely got killed or definitely isn't lost in the woods somewhere, nobody can possibly say that at this point, all I'm saying is that the proffesional investigators who's job it is to investigate this case believe that she fell victim to foul play.
I'm sorry to tell you lighthouse but that is a very logical conclusion to draw based on the words and actions of the NHSP in regards to this case. It is MUCH more of a logical conclusion than to say they DON'T believe she fell victim to foul play. That conclusion completely flies in the face of logic and truth. To say that proffffessional homicide investigators are going to put 6,000 hours into a case they believe is a suicide is just ridiculous, i find it very hard to believe anyone actually thinks that.
Oh and Jenkins,

You were very clear in your original post that this was a murder investigation, and I see now you have downgraded your own characterization of it to foul play. Foul play is just crime, that's all, I don't think anyone denies there may have been a crime committed.

Its ok though, you can backtrack on your prior statements..it won't make anyone think any less of your posts.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Jenkins it's hard enough to get through one of your lengthy posts but now you are copying and pasting them so posters have to read through twice. Really??? Is that really necessary?
Ummmmm what the hell is wrong with you wowzer?? Are you for real with this crap?

Don't tell me you've never heard of an accidental double post, there's no way that you've posted on topix this much and never saw someone accidentally double post, why don't you go complain to topix about it.

But you don't care, you knew I didn't copy and paste anything, but that didn't stop you from complaining anyways. It doesn't matter how much a post makes sense, if you don't agree with it you will find ANYTHING to complain about, even if the complaint is completely dishonest.. Ever hear of somethng called integrity?? Didn't think so
Wow, just wow

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Jenkins wrote:
As for Maura's inclusion on the CCU list there is no interpretation needed, the language is very clear and unambiguous.
It clearly says that they only investigate missing persons where foul play is suspected, meaning they suspect foul play in her dissapearance. There is no other possible answer, if you guys want to pretend there' annother interpretation that's your right to do so but it's incorrect.
Now that doesn't neccesarily mean they're right, they obviously could be wrong, that just means that they suspect foul play.
When you ccombine her inclusion on the CCU list with the sheer amount of time and resources that they've put into this case then it's very hard to say that the NHSP doesn't truly believe that she got murdered. 6,000 hours is a tremendous amoun of time, bggest case in NH history, this would have to be the most investigated suicide in history if it turns out she killed herself.
So i'm not saying she definitely got killed or definitely isn't lost in the woods somewhere, nobody can possibly say that at this point, all I'm saying is that the proffesional investigators who's job it is to investigate this case believe that she fell victim to foul play.
I'm sorry to tell you lighthouse but that is a very logical conclusion to draw based on the words and actions of the NHSP in regards to this case. It is MUCH more of a logical conclusion than to say they DON'T believe she fell victim to foul play. That conclusion completely flies in the face of logic and truth. To say that proffffessional homicide investigators are going to put 6,000 hours into a case they believe is a suicide is just ridiculous, i find it very hard to believe anyone actually thinks that.
I can see people maybe disagreeing with the NHSP, they could be wrong, but it's clear that they SUSPECT foul play, there's no question about that.
6000 hours. That's 750 days for one person. When you take into account the number of people involved in the searches in the early days that would chew up hundreds of those days. The court preparations for the lawsuits alone would account for at least 100 days. Even by April of 2007 Strelzin testified that as much as 6 weeks would pass between looks at MM's case. They have been at it for 9 years. If you conservatively use up half of those 750 days in the first 3 years with the searches and lawsuits, that calculates out to about a week and a half a year for 1 person over the remaining 6 years. Without the initial mass searches and the lawsuits, they really haven't put an exorbitant amount of time into this case.

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John Green wrote:
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I think this could be a rare case of you missing something. So, Renner does not own the Internet business known as "Blogger." So, if I have more than one blog that I host or follow, you'll see it on my profile. You know what's funny though? When I created my own blog - which is more like just a place to throw some musings about the world in general - I was thinking that gosh I bet this will confuse one of those PIs out there sniffing around about me.
Funny funny. Keep up the good work!
JOhn
The phone message was turned over to police.

Police determined that what they were hearing wasn't a human voice bur rather typical cell phone static.

Billy deleted the message because it was too painful for him to re-listen to it, according to his mother.

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That's a good question mcsmom.
Here's another one: why would he delete it. Some, but not all accounts I have seen, say he deleted it. He was at the airport to go look for his missing girlfriend (right?)... he hears what he says is her sobbing on a voice mail (right?)... then he deletes it? Really? Wouldn't you if someone you loved were missing be really careful about making sure the police heard that voice mail.
I've only read what I've about this and I've never really taken a hard core look at it, so perhaps I'm mistaken.
John
My reply above should of went with this excerpt.

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John Green wrote:
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I think this could be a rare case of you missing something. So, Renner does not own the Internet business known as "Blogger." So, if I have more than one blog that I host or follow, you'll see it on my profile. You know what's funny though? When I created my own blog - which is more like just a place to throw some musings about the world in general - I was thinking that gosh I bet this will confuse one of those PIs out there sniffing around about me.
Funny funny. Keep up the good work!
JOhn
I admit when I'm missing something and Amy was nice enough to explain.Seems that your FB page is missing. Need a PI to find it?
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John Green wrote:
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That's a good question mcsmom.
Here's another one: why would he delete it. Some, but not all accounts I have seen, say he deleted it. He was at the airport to go look for his missing girlfriend (right?)... he hears what he says is her sobbing on a voice mail (right?)... then he deletes it? Really? Wouldn't you if someone you loved were missing be really careful about making sure the police heard that voice mail.
I've only read what I've about this and I've never really taken a hard core look at it, so perhaps I'm mistaken.
John
Ummm.....LE did listen to it. IIRC. And, I'm pretty sure I am. They didn't hear the same thing that BR was hearing.

And BR ended up deleting it because it was painful to him to listen to every time he got into his voice mail. The assumption was that LE copied it when they listened to it.
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The phone message was turned over to police.
Police determined that what they were hearing wasn't a human voice bur rather typical cell phone static.
Billy deleted the message because it was too painful for him to re-listen to it, according to his mother.
Oops, guess I should read all the way to the end of postings to ensure I don't duplicate an answer; HOWEVER, it's nice to know that we confirm what each of us has said, huh?

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