Maura Murray

John Green wrote:

It is so exciting to think that people are TRACKING me now.
If you get bored, just email me and I'll tell you whatever you want to know and give you confirming sources. My email is John88Green@yahoo.com.
Happy hunting!
John

I think this kind of says it all, and it's pretty much what I expected. As Amy said, an attorney who has nothing to hide would have no issue with revealing his employment background. What's more, with a person like Green, whose ego knows no bounds, it would be the first thing that he would post. Remember, he has stated that he is a "retired attorney with years and years of legal experience" which certainly doesn't mesh with the employment history which was shown on his FB page.

I believe the information that I have posted that Amy has also seen pretty much confirms that John Green is a liar and is misrepresenting himself on Renner's blog and elsewhere.

Please remember that Renner has sources that he uses to track down the identities of people who email him, and neither he nor John Green have any scruples when it comes to revealing personal information of people with whom they have come in contact. I would therefore caution about starting an email correspondence with either of them.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Ummm.....LE did listen to it. IIRC. And, I'm pretty sure I am. They didn't hear the same thing that BR was hearing.
And BR ended up deleting it because it was painful to him to listen to every time he got into his voice mail. The assumption was that LE copied it when they listened to it.

Listened to... wonder if it was ever properly analyzed.

I would not be afraid of corresponding with either, John Green or James Renner. They are who they say they are and that is as simple as that. Neither have anything to hide. As far as criticizing Mr. Green from not coming forward to reveal everything about his personal past professional career...how many of you do that here in this blog? I never seen a nastier group of people than I have witnessed here. The strange thing is that a lot of posters here seem quite intelligent and so it is hard to understand the behavior and the extreme lack of politeness.

what a clown show!!! all in the name of a missing person. truly bizarre.

Maruchan wrote:

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I think this kind of says it all, and it's pretty much what I expected. As Amy said, an attorney who has nothing to hide would have no issue with revealing his employment background. What's more, with a person like Green, whose ego knows no bounds, it would be the first thing that he would post. Remember, he has stated that he is a "retired attorney with years and years of legal experience" which certainly doesn't mesh with the employment history which was shown on his FB page.
I believe the information that I have posted that Amy has also seen pretty much confirms that John Green is a liar and is misrepresenting himself on Renner's blog and elsewhere.
Please remember that Renner has sources that he uses to track down the identities of people who email him, and neither he nor John Green have any scruples when it comes to revealing personal information of people with whom they have come in contact. I would therefore caution about starting an email correspondence with either of them.

I'll email him and hear him out, if he chooses to respond. I've already posted who I am here, and Renner knows who I am, so I have nothing to hide or to lose. If I'm wrong, I would like to set the record straight with an apology.

NYLese wrote:

I would not be afraid of corresponding with either, John Green or James Renner. They are who they say they are and that is as simple as that. Neither have anything to hide. As far as criticizing Mr. Green from not coming forward to reveal everything about his personal past professional career...how many of you do that here in this blog? I never seen a nastier group of people than I have witnessed here. The strange thing is that a lot of posters here seem quite intelligent and so it is hard to understand the behavior and the extreme lack of politeness.

Aw, bless yer heart, isn't that sweet? One of Green's followers/friends/family has to jump in and defend poor lil' him against us "vitriol trolls" sitting up here in the "cheap seats" enjoying his numerous personal attacks against us both here and on Renner's blog. He is, after all, such a kind and polite person when he attacks Beagle all over the Internet, even mistaking our own dear Hannah for him and posting this charming note to her:

Mar Shill wrote:

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The reason for that "hannah" is quite simple ... you are Beagle (i.e., the scumbag Alden Olsen, who posted those awful videos because he, meaning you "hannah," are so self-involved and mentally ill that you think it is okay for you to make use of a sad missing person in disgraceful manner to bring attention to yourself, constantly foul up otherwise meaningful public discourse about the case, and mitigate your pitiful loneliness through those awful films you made and posted, as well as the waste of words and space you post on various forums). And the simple HS level trick you are using to get your your post to show up as being from Sweden, which does not fool anyone, sometimes causes your posts to post twice.
You are one of the most disgraceful and disgusting people I have ever come across Alden.

Ah, yes, he's quite a sweetheart, that John Green, and certainly not deserving of, oh, such impolite behavior by us VTs (he's made us officially an acronym on the blog, isn't that just the cutest thang)?

:)

NYLese wrote:

I would not be afraid of corresponding with either, John Green or James Renner. They are who they say they are and that is as simple as that. Neither have anything to hide. As far as criticizing Mr. Green from not coming forward to reveal everything about his personal past professional career...how many of you do that here in this blog? I never seen a nastier group of people than I have witnessed here. The strange thing is that a lot of posters here seem quite intelligent and so it is hard to understand the behavior and the extreme lack of politeness.

The one key difference between John Green and most of us here is that we do not use our credentials to lend weight to our posts.

I agree that the politeness is lacking and we could probably go a few rounds about who started it, but one thing this group does here that John Green is not used on his blog:

When we smell bullshit, we muck out the barn. No matter the pedigree of the bull.

I think that should be the topix MM thread motto:

"When we smell bullshit, we muck out the barn. No matter the pedigree of the bull."

hannah_b wrote:

I think that should be the topix MM thread motto:
"When we smell bullshit, we muck out the barn. No matter the pedigree of the bull."

It's perfect! LOL

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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It's perfect! LOL

Proud to be a VT!=)

hannah_b wrote:

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Proud to be a VT!=)

Yep, we should have hats or t-shirts made up with that slogan. LOL

Well, at least we have our own brand of boots for when it gets too deep ...

http://www.eurohatria.it/public/prodotti/trol...

:)

Maruchan wrote:

Well, at least we have our own brand of boots for when it gets too deep ...
http://www.eurohatria.it/public/prodotti/trol...
:)

Too funny. I hope they make a higher one though. It gets pretty deep at times.

John Green wrote:

By the way, to AMY RESEARCHES ...
The reason I took my FB information down is that people like you are utterly frightening freaks. You will note that I also took down where I grew up, all of my relatives names from my family relationships list ... because you are frightening. You are also an idiot. If you my credentials you moron, email me and I'll be happy to provide them.
John

I emailed you a few hours ago, John.

Ten posts in less than thirty minutes - is it Friday night already?

John Green wrote:

By the way, to AMY RESEARCHES ...
The reason I took my FB information down is that people like you are utterly frightening freaks. You will note that I also took down where I grew up, all of my relatives names from my family relationships list ... because you are frightening. You are also an idiot. If you my credentials you moron, email me and I'll be happy to provide them.
John

Bollocks.

You shut your page down because you noticed people were questioning your legal background and you knew that your FB page showed that you had none. You shut down your page before any information about you was revealed here. The only thing that Amy asked was if you practiced in Mass or NH. You shut it down because you were afraid of getting caught in your lies. It had nothing to do with Amy or anybody else being "frightening".

Just more lies and obfuscation, nothing new here, folks, move along.

John Green wrote:

By the way, to AMY RESEARCHES ...
The reason I took my FB information down is that people like you are utterly frightening freaks. You will note that I also took down where I grew up, all of my relatives names from my family relationships list ... because you are frightening. You are also an idiot. If you my credentials you moron, email me and I'll be happy to provide them.
John

I'm sure you're very busy keeping up with all the emails from the blog, so I'll copy the email I sent you earlier here:

From: Amy Derby <amy.derby@gmail.com>
Date: May 23, 2013 8:44:03 PM CDT
To: "John88Green@yahoo.com " <John88Green@yahoo.com>
Subject: Credentials

Hi John.

I post as amy researches on topix and under my own name at Renner's, though I haven't posted much there recently.

Are you a lawyer or not? If I am wrong, I would like to set the record straight with an apology.

While I don't agree with all you or Renner post, I had respected that you guys put yourselves out there as professionals. With all the lies and misinformation already out there surrounding Maura's disappearance, as well as a few forum contributors who have lied about their credentials in the past to bolster the credibility of their theories, I have become more cautious and suspicious as to what I accept as truth when it comes to this case. It's nothing personal.

I would like to know the truth, but I'll drop the subject now, either way.

John Green wrote:

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But I have thing about being polite and truthful, even when I'm angry, which is rare.

Most recent posts to Amy:

John Green wrote:

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That is funny. You remind me of a 12 year old I know with ADD: short attention span and leaps to dramatic conclusions with pride.

John Green wrote:

By the way, to AMY RESEARCHES ...
The reason I took my FB information down is that people like you are utterly frightening freaks. You will note that I also took down where I grew up, all of my relatives names from my family relationships list ... because you are frightening. You are also an idiot. If you my credentials you moron, email me and I'll be happy to provide them.
John

John Green wrote:

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I just emailed you back. I think you and I are good and there is not apology necessary. I just need you to hear that message and we can go from there. In general, I mostly want you to contribute as I can tell you have something to contribute.

The problem is, I'm having trouble figuring out which of these posts are "truthful" - is Amy a frightening idiotic moron or a possibly helpful contributor? Because she should, of course, be so pleased that Green, being a superior being, believes she has "something to contribute" - that's enough to swoon over.

And I'm sure the politeness in his last post makes up for the nastiness of the first two, doesn't it?

John Green wrote:

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Just curious, do you think the first video was like cool. I mean, it kind of seems like this does not really make the VT standard.
Hey, you wanna here something funny? The number of people who visit this forum every day, on average, for the last month .... 21. Same number, Renner's blog 104. Why do you think that is?
Now maybe I am inching closer to the high VT standard you have had quite a good role in establishing. But I have thing about being polite and truthful, even when I'm angry, which is rare. It holds me back.
With admiration,
John

What first video are you referring to?

What is more interesting is that you have tracked the visitors here for a month just to make that comparison.

I am always truthful, and mostly polite myself. Angry doesn't really apply for me. This is a diversion, what could I possibly get angry about?

I must say though that I personally have tried to temper my posts on your blog in an effort to let you and your readers focus on what I am saying rather than the tone behind it. Mainly because I support, in general, what you and James are doing. I don't see much VT postings there, not that there were many anyways. Yet you choose take shots(trolling) at Topix on your blog and you come here and stir up the pot(trolling). Why is that? Doesn't coming here to argue with people make you just as much a VT as the rest of us? Trust me, being a VT, in this context, isn't a bad thing but you can at least admit it to yourself. We all know it. And some of the 104 of your readers will figure it out too the more you jab Topix on your blog. They come over here to watch the savages play under the bridge and find you here playing along with us. tsk tsk

Maruchan wrote:

Well, at least we have our own brand of boots for when it gets too deep ...
http://www.eurohatria.it/public/prodotti/trol...
:)

Maybe Troll and Muck can get together and make a special edition Troll Mucking boot.

Oh John Green,

Your slip is showing. You remind me of my old Granny. Going after the woman. Listen, I've watched your youtube video. You don't have to be all competitive with them. You are a very pretty man, in a dandified Oscar Wilde way.. ; )
Although Amy and I had words concerning JWB's treatment of a few of the ladies here, I will tell you this; She is almost impossible to fight with because she will just disengage when you start getting rude. However like Maruchan,she is very bright and knowledgeable and your rudeness to her will certainly come back to bite you on your plump little fanny. Speaking of Maruchan, slightly different. She too is very bright, but, scary in her ability to bring it, dude. Unlike yourself, you know the way you fall apart and start babbling nonsense when your fragile little ego gets challenged, She gets this cold focus and, I'm just trying to help you here buddy,proceeds with systematic beat down...
All of that aside, we should jam sometime...I too have written a song about my inability to finance the global economy and my issues with shower curtains...xo