Maura Murray

Jenkins wrote:

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Of course people try to drive away after an accident, most people actually. You're from the north shore and were driving a Range Rover previously so you obviously don't have the same worries about money that most people do.
You've never seen people drivin around with cars that have been damaged in accidents? Many people can only afford liability insurance on their car and many of thoe same people don't have AAA and can't afford to pay for a tow so they have to try to drive away from an accident if their car isn't that damaged.
It's probably more common for people to try to drive away from an accident than not. You don't have to be desperate to do that, just not having a lot of money is a prime motivator, somethin you must not know much about.

Many, many years ago I bought a brand new Chevy s-10. Drove it for 3 years with only liability insurance in defiance of the lender and New York State just to save money(I was younger than 25 with a copious number of speeding tickets) I hit 6 deer with the front end of that truck in those 3 years. I had to replace headlights, glue the grill back together and had to modify the hood latch mechanism several times. When I traded it in it was an inch shorter than when I bought it.

Sorry ridiculous but that whole comment about someone needing to be desperate to try to drive away after an accident just screams someone who never really had to worry about money.
A comment like that just shows that she never was broke and had to scrape and save money bc if she did she would more than understand only having liability insurance, no AAA and the need to drive a car that's damaged after an accident. Anyone who's had to scrape and save to get by would understand that you don't need to be all that desperate to be in a position where you need to drive a car after an accident.

From the north shore, doesn't know that most people need to drive a car after an accident, sounds like old money to me.. Seriously though, who doesn't know that most people need to try to drive their car away from an accident? That's like very common.

meh wrote:

John Green is definitely getting overzealous and I hope he will tone it down.
That said...
He is definitely right about the modernist vs. postmodernist literature thing.
Hannah_b, if you have an MA, how could you confuse modernism with postmodernism? Or did you just think no one here would care?
I love you (though not in a creepy way) and want you to redeem yourself, so please explain.

John Green usually does not refer to himself in the 3rd person.....

Is there any way this could NOT be creepy?

BillNH wrote:

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Tang...
Where is the information available about the post accident location of the Saturn? I have never seen it anywhere and it seems rather important.

Wowzer confirmed this info previously on this forum. You would have to go thru Her posts or ask Her Yourself.

The 7 Balsam trees in front of marrottes @#43. This makes a BIG difference, for sure.!

Jenkins wrote:

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Of course people try to drive away after an accident, most people actually. You're from the north shore and were driving a Range Rover previously so you obviously don't have the same worries about money that most people do.
You've never seen people drivin around with cars that have been damaged in accidents? Many people can only afford liability insurance on their car and many of thoe same people don't have AAA and can't afford to pay for a tow so they have to try to drive away from an accident if their car isn't that damaged.
It's probably more common for people to try to drive away from an accident than not. You don't have to be desperate to do that, just not having a lot of money is a prime motivator, somethin you must not know much about.

well, Jenky, we buy our cars for the long term, and keep them after many miles are logged. that RR was a mistake, and i'd never recommend it to anyone, then or now.
that said, the only reason i mentioned it was because Tang questioned my personal experience, and i'm glad he was able to verify it. i don't make stuff up.

of course there are people driving around with damaged cars, but not after air bags are deployed, the hood of the car bent to impair vision, and the windshield shattered. you wouldn't get too far if a headlight was misaligned, and a cop took notice. but, you're right, some people can't afford a tow or AAA.

don't make assumptions or be fooled by appearances, Jenkins, because while some people are beneficiaries of inherited wealth and / or good luck, many self-made men and women go to work everyday to earn their way.
the great equalizer is always human suffering caused by tragedies, relationships or poor health; no amount of wealth can protect someone from those hardships, no matter where or how they live.

as an aside, we were watching dateline the other evening and found the story of the missing 27 y/o Katherine Waring to be quite gripping. she was from an old, wealthy family around Charleston, SC, and perhaps similar to the Murray family, they realized police resources were limited, and so they set about doing a search on their own.
also like the Murrays, they were assisted by a team of retired investigators. her body was eventually found, thanks to the work of these private investigators, at a remote location on an island, although ties to certain individuals in her life were overlooked by the police. it's likely that many families of the missing give up their reliance on authorities early on. i have been naive to think otherwise.

when we stop for a moment to take off our boxing gloves, there is no doubt that the stories of all missing persons are painful and tragic. John Walsh is my hero...he has done so much for the plight of all of these families.

here is a new story that was done with quotes from Fred Murray. One quote is kind of a head scratcher for me.

"Maura's unsinkable no matter what. Bright side, never let you down."

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/i_team/i-team-mi...

Jenkins wrote:

Sorry ridiculous but that whole comment about someone needing to be desperate to try to drive away after an accident just screams someone who never really had to worry about money.
A comment like that just shows that she never was broke and had to scrape and save money bc if she did she would more than understand only having liability insurance, no AAA and the need to drive a car that's damaged after an accident. Anyone who's had to scrape and save to get by would understand that you don't need to be all that desperate to be in a position where you need to drive a car after an accident.
From the north shore, doesn't know that most people need to drive a car after an accident, sounds like old money to me.. Seriously though, who doesn't know that most people need to try to drive their car away from an accident? That's like very common.

it has been very late in life that i've learned not to leap to conclusions by making assumptions from having just partial information, because 9 out of 10 times those conclusions will be incorrect.
so, let me assure you that i am certainly personally well acquainted with working for a living and the discomforts of doing without or making do, as necessary.

my point about MM's car was that you just can't start up and drive a damaged car (if frame, brakes, windshield, steering, etc. are compromised) on public roads where the safety of other drivers is put at risk by that damaged vehicle. it's illegal, isn't it?

once you open the link, you can also click on the left little video box and watch the interview with fred as well.

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/i_team/i-team-mi...

BillNH wrote:

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Many, many years ago I bought a brand new Chevy s-10. Drove it for 3 years with only liability insurance in defiance of the lender and New York State just to save money(I was younger than 25 with a copious number of speeding tickets) I hit 6 deer with the front end of that truck in those 3 years. I had to replace headlights, glue the grill back together and had to modify the hood latch mechanism several times. When I traded it in it was an inch shorter than when I bought it.

you know you've made it when you can afford to have your luxury cars serviced and not have to repair them yourself.

or, conversely, you know a rich guy when you see one because he's so cheap that he'll do his own lawn and repair his cars himself.

and, sometimes you can't tell the difference, one from the other.

duct tape, a belt with d-rings, bubble gum or bungee cords will usually do the trick.

i like your story, BillNH. we have ours, too. past and present!

Orko Kringer wrote:

once you open the link, you can also click on the left little video box and watch the interview with fred as well.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/i_team/i-team-mi...

thanks for the link, especially to the video.
i don't know if one thinks there is ever enough coverage when you are a family member of the missing, but it seems Maura's father has had many opportunities to receive local and national attention about his daughter.
was it Maruchan that recently posted a link in which Fred is said to have known the reason why MM left UMASS for NH?
that's the million dollar question. still unanswered.

John Green, James Renner, Alden Olson, Beagle.

Where are all the players today.

We are in Carson City on "business."

BillNH wrote:

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John Green usually does not refer to himself in the 3rd person.....
Is there any way this could NOT be creepy?

If we found out that John Green was really Bob Dole talking from the grave.

Orko Kringer wrote:

here is a new story that was done with quotes from Fred Murray. One quote is kind of a head scratcher for me.
"Maura's unsinkable no matter what. Bright side, never let you down."
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/i_team/i-team-mi...

I watched the video - Fred is obviously in the middle of describing what Maura was like. Saying she is "unsinkable" means that she had a positive attitude and never let adversity keep her down. She looked on the bright side, never let you down, etc. There's nothing strange about it to me, anyway.

amy researches wrote:

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I think we are all probably naive about some things. I don't mean that as an insult to you or anyone else. For example, I don't drive and So I know I am ignorant about all things car related. I rely on asking others with knowledge and have also learned a lot from this discussion and from WTH/Bill in the past. I still have a lot to learn, I know.
One thought I've had is if indeed Maura was an inexperienced driver, as I've seen mentioned but not confirmed by any reliable source, she might not have known that she could reset something within her own vehicle (or whatever the proper method would be?) after airbags deployed. Would her father or whomever taught her to drive teach her something like that? Do you learn this in drivers ed? I don't know what all is involved in the learning to drive experience.
If Maura didn't want contact with police, and since cell phone service was poor/nonexistent there, I would think she would try everything she knew to try in order to drive away regardless of her financial status. At least far enough to be able to call AAA. This is just my opinion.

I agree with this.

Although, resetting your car (From everywhere I have read) is not too difficult. You would have to know that you actually had to reset your car (after a wreck) and I highly doubt Maura knew that info.

amy researches wrote:

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I think we are all probably naive about some things. I don't mean that as an insult to you or anyone else. For example, I don't drive and So I know I am ignorant about all things car related. I rely on asking others with knowledge and have also learned a lot from this discussion and from WTH/Bill in the past. I still have a lot to learn, I know.
One thought I've had is if indeed Maura was an inexperienced driver, as I've seen mentioned but not confirmed by any reliable source, she might not have known that she could reset something within her own vehicle (or whatever the proper method would be?) after airbags deployed. Would her father or whomever taught her to drive teach her something like that? Do you learn this in drivers ed? I don't know what all is involved in the learning to drive experience.
If Maura didn't want contact with police, and since cell phone service was poor/nonexistent there, I would think she would try everything she knew to try in order to drive away regardless of her financial status. At least far enough to be able to call AAA. This is just my opinion.

you're right....i've only picked things up along the way when i've had to, usually when they're broken, and they've inconvenienced me...like when i hit the switch and the car wouldn't start! or the wheel fell off the car. i had to learn the hard way not to continue driving on a flat tire (it ruins the rim). no, they don't teach that stuff in driver's ed.

i guess i'd be afraid to drive a car after an accident, not knowing if the frame was bent, the radiator, steering or brakes affected, or fluids lost. she might not have even had that basic knowledge.

i nearly can't remember the days before cell phones and GPS, but to this day, i would rely on the kindness of strangers in most situations....and i would have even when i was young. i would have asked the SBD for help and / or sought help from nearby homes. i wouldn't have gotten into a car or truck with a stranger, however.
generalized stranger danger is a newer concept....i would have said, until recently, that getting into a car with a decent looking couple would be safe. today, one never knows.

do you work within these or similar guidelines? would you ask for help from a stranger, if necessary?

Maruchan wrote:

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I watched the video - Fred is obviously in the middle of describing what Maura was like. Saying she is "unsinkable" means that she had a positive attitude and never let adversity keep her down. She looked on the bright side, never let you down, etc. There's nothing strange about it to me, anyway.

while his thoughts are often incomplete, these seem positive.

SnowyB wrote:

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you're right....i've only picked things up along the way when i've had to, usually when they're broken, and they've inconvenienced me...like when i hit the switch and the car wouldn't start! or the wheel fell off the car. i had to learn the hard way not to continue driving on a flat tire (it ruins the rim). no, they don't teach that stuff in driver's ed.
i guess i'd be afraid to drive a car after an accident, not knowing if the frame was bent, the radiator, steering or brakes affected, or fluids lost. she might not have even had that basic knowledge.
i nearly can't remember the days before cell phones and GPS, but to this day, i would rely on the kindness of strangers in most situations....and i would have even when i was young. i would have asked the SBD for help and / or sought help from nearby homes. i wouldn't have gotten into a car or truck with a stranger, however.
generalized stranger danger is a newer concept....i would have said, until recently, that getting into a car with a decent looking couple would be safe. today, one never knows.
do you work within these or similar guidelines? would you ask for help from a stranger, if necessary?

I would accept help from a stranger and think that in those circumstances I would feel scared/trapped and be grateful for sbd's offer to call police. If I had been drinking and feared getting in trouble, maybe not. Then I would probably accept a ride with the next willing stranger to get away ASAP, at Maura's age especially. I would be more scared to run down an unknown road not knowing what might be out there. I'm not a fan of wildlife so personally if my choice was running into woods or getting arrested, I'd be in jail. We are all different though. No telling what was going through her mind or if she was intoxicated.

If I had a choice to take a ride with someone who seemed safe versus going to an unknow door, I probably would take the ride, especially when I was younger. I always thought I would never accept a ride from a stranger. Until I got lost walking and ended up in a bad neighborhood. I accepted a ride out. Naive yes, maybe, but it felt better than the alternative. If I was desperate to avoid contact with police, as Maura might have been, I can see myself getting into a stanger's car at that age. Especially if a woman was in the car.

Maruchan wrote:

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I watched the video - Fred is obviously in the middle of describing what Maura was like. Saying she is "unsinkable" means that she had a positive attitude and never let adversity keep her down. She looked on the bright side, never let you down, etc. There's nothing strange about it to me, anyway.

I was actually referring to the story and the way that quote seems to pop in from nowhere.(I understand what it all means).

After watching the video, you can clearly see that fred was in the middle of saying quite a lot of things and only that particular sentence of his quotes made the news article.

Just looking at that quote by itself in the story and you are left feeling that some context is left out.

amy researches wrote:

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I would accept help from a stranger and think that in those circumstances I would feel scared/trapped and be grateful for sbd's offer to call police. If I had been drinking and feared getting in trouble, maybe not. Then I would probably accept a ride with the next willing stranger to get away ASAP, at Maura's age especially. I would be more scared to run down an unknown road not knowing what might be out there. I'm not a fan of wildlife so personally if my choice was running into woods or getting arrested, I'd be in jail. We are all different though. No telling what was going through her mind or if she was intoxicated.
If I had a choice to take a ride with someone who seemed safe versus going to an unknow door, I probably would take the ride, especially when I was younger. I always thought I would never accept a ride from a stranger. Until I got lost walking and ended up in a bad neighborhood. I accepted a ride out. Naive yes, maybe, but it felt better than the alternative. If I was desperate to avoid contact with police, as Maura might have been, I can see myself getting into a stanger's car at that age. Especially if a woman was in the car.

I just have one basic question though.

If you are Maura or are in a situation like that yourself (middle of nowhere, car is broken down at night) and you decide to hitch a ride ... Where do you tell the person giving you a lift to take you?