Maura Murray

dont lie. In what ways was she undeserving the 'all american' tag? You act like you know the 'real' maura. please inform us of all her bad choices, yet again...

the picture is becoming much clearer.

must be pretty proud Lighthouse! wow. chicks must really dig your style. I bet your hung like McKay.

Besides Brunelle, which officers in lincoln were friends of Norman? are they still working?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Awesome - thanks

so who's the groom?

Methinks it is best to simply ignore all posts from the conspiracy nut from Whitesboro.

Maruchan wrote:

Methinks it is best to simply ignore all posts from the conspiracy nut from Whitesboro.

they have been consistently irrational and disturbing.

Is that you jr.?

do you know what the punishment is for a conspiracy?

no more game boy!

first they send happy aniversary
then they dedicate a wedding video

IS Eric Holder on Vacation or does he just not give a fuch?

my apologies to Helena for thinking it was her who talked about Maura leaving west point.

This particular family spokesperson was known as Peabody while Helena went under a different name on websleuths.

Here you go citigirl. Someone is clearly lying here.

Either its a Maura Murray family spokesperson or JG has really got his info backwards.

There can be no gray area here.

This family spokesperson would not have this much detail, and yet we find out Maura was kicked out of west point for drinking.

Here is Peabody's explanation for why Maura left west point: PART 1:

Peabody in her own words:

"First, Maura's sisters are Kathleen and Julie.

Kathleen NEVER attended West Point. She is not in the army, nor was she ever in the army.

Julie graduated from West Point in 2002 after a 4 year stay beginning in June of 1998. She is currently an officer in the army, serving a 5 year stay which is required of any graduate of West Point. Julie and Billy, Maura's boyfriend were classmates. Julie introduced them to each other. Billy is also currently an officer in the army completing his 5 year commitment.(After serving their 5 years, they will choose whether or not they want to make the army a career, which would be an additional 15 year stay)

Maura began her West Point stay in June of 2000 and left in January of 2002 after completing the summer Beast Training in 2000 ( a more indepth Army Basic Training Program), 3 academic semesters (the two for her Freshman year during the fall of 2000 and winter of 2001 and her final academic semester during her sophomore year the fall of 2001. She also completed Military Intercession at WP during January of 2002. before leaving for UMass.

Maura began her UMass stay in January of 2002 and disappeared in Febuary of 2004. She went directly from WP to Umass. She was at UMass BEFORE the academic semester began in February because she was practicing with the track team. Therefiore, Maura completed 4 semesters at UMass and was just beginning her 5th when she disappeared.

Maura NEVER missed one semester of college.

PART II

She transferred from WP to UMass mid-term because she had missed the application deadline for a transfer to UMass for their fall semester of 2001.

Maura knew by the end of the first academic semester at WP during her freshman year (2000) that she wanted to transfer (BECAUSE she knew she did not want to serve in the military for 5 years upon her graduation).

But leaving WP is not as easy as just dropping out. A WP student is considered active duty military and in order to leave with a good report must meet required processes, counceling sessions as well as completing a process in order to be discharged.

Also, Maura had to have a full scholarship in order to continue her education. Therefore, she could not begin the process to leave WP UNTIL she had everything in order to attend another school.

It is my understanding that her father DID NOT assist her in her search/choice of UMass, but a decision that she made on her own, and one that he supported. It is also my understanding that the first criteria in her decision for a transfer school was that she be provided full scholarship; the second criteria was that she be near to WP because of her relationship with her boyfriend at WP.(Amherst is 150 miles WP) She started her search in early 2001, but as previously noted between the army requirements and obtaining information/applying for scholarships, she was unable to leave WP prior to Jan 2002 WITHOUT missing some college.

As you said, Maura was very bright: she ELECTED to attend WP for 2 semesters AFTER having decided she wanted to leave.(I would suggest that you do a search on WP and the difficulty its students endure academically, physically and mentally. In addition, Maura was a Varsity Athlete. She earned her Varsity Letter the fall of her Plebe Year. This in itself is no small feat at any school, but much more difficult at WP, and added to the difficulty of day-to-day life while at WP)

Although Maura knew she was leaving WP, she also knew she would be completing her Freshman year in 2001 and to avoid a break in her college career, she would also need to attend the 2001 fall semester of her Sophomore year at WP.

When Maura transferred to UMass, she transferred as a chemical engineering student. However, in the fall of 2002, she sought to change her major to nursing. It is my understanding that Maura had to pull many strings and work very hard to make the change. There were only a handful of open seats in the nursing program and Maura was not in the nursing pre-requisite program. I have been told that she studied independently, along with taking her chemical engineeriing courses and making Dean's list, and took the tests that QUALIFIED her to earn a seat in the nursing program over students who had taken the pre-requisties to enter nursing. Maura was officially accepted into the UMass nursing program in January of 2003.

And finally (I told y'all this was a manifesto)

PART III

I also know there are people who knew Maura, both friend and family, who challenged her about her decision to enter nursing. It seems, they, like you thought her too bright to be "just a nurse". However, she told these same people that she liked working with and helping people and that she did not find any interest in the field of chemical engineering. One must also realize that WP DOES NOT offer a major in nursing or any medical field UNTIL after graduation. WHEN one goes on to the medical field from WP, it requires an additonal commitment to the five years already owed to the army. It is also my understanding that as the future permitted and after her marriage, Maura was going to pursue additional schooling in the medical field, so she was not going to be "just a nurse".(I wonder how many nurses are offended that an intelligent young woman is described as wanting to be "just a nurse"?)

Maura was not only a very intelligent person, but also a very practical one. Her changing her major from chemical engineering to nursing from all accounts was totally her idea. When one gets to know the family, her desire to "help people" may be both a genetic/environmental influence: There are MANY members of both sides of Maura's family in a career related to the medical field. She was not following in the steps of her mother and father when she switched to nursing or reacting to some pressure - she was pursuing her own desires. She did/does not have a family that is controling/smothering their adult children.(As an advocate for Maura, I have been contacted by many people; one was a professor/advisor of Maura's. He/She has confirmed the report by her family and friends of her desire to be "just a nurse". He/she told me of more than one meeting with Maura in which he/she attempted to have Maura major in another field, but she was very firm about her choice as well as why it was her choice.) My gosh, just consider, two of the daughters applied to and were accepted at WP which requires 5 year tours in the army. Does this sound like a family who must always be telling their daughters what to do and wants control of them? I am sure military families will quickly fill us in with the knowledge that the military controls your life, not your family. I have daughters and I would panic if one or more of them wanted to be in the army, and would do all that I could to dissuade them (and it has nothing to do with us currently being at war). Yet, people who do not know Maura and do not know her family and friends are convinced that Maura found them ALL so difficult that she had to move on to start a new life. Although I am not of the opinion that Maura ever made plans to start a new life, I continue to pray that she has. But, please, let's not place blame on the people who love Maura most.

Orko Kringer wrote:

And finally (I told y'all this was a manifesto)
I have daughters and I would panic if one or more of them wanted to be in the army, and would do all that I could to dissuade them (and it has nothing to do with us currently being at war)

What a shame you wouldn't want your daughters to serve their country. But it's okay for other parents to send their kids off to war? Glad I didn't stand in my kid's way. I'm a Proud Army parent.

Catnip wrote:

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What a shame you wouldn't want your daughters to serve their country. But it's okay for other parents to send their kids off to war? Glad I didn't stand in my kid's way. I'm a Proud Army parent.

I am a proud air force veteran who comes from a family (boys and girls) that have all served.

Those quotes you are replying too are from the Maura murray family spokesperson known as Peabody.

Catnip wrote:

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What a shame you wouldn't want your daughters to serve their country. But it's okay for other parents to send their kids off to war? Glad I didn't stand in my kid's way. I'm a Proud Army parent.

See, this is what happens when people posting quotations don't use quotation marks.

For Catnip, those weren't Orko's words, they belonged to Peabody. Feel free to rip on her instead.

Maruchan wrote:

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See, this is what happens when people posting quotations don't use quotation marks.
For Catnip, those weren't Orko's words, they belonged to Peabody. Feel free to rip on her instead.

I did have the quotations at the start of her manifesto. And I did also include Peabody in her own words:

But I forgot to end her quotes with another quotation.

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Maybe the coke bottle was hit by the airbag and splashed all over.
Maybe Smith just had nothing else to do that night. He did leave when he got another call.
Maybe Smith felt a little more compassion for a younger female (he did not know her age at this point)traveling alone from out of state.
It really was a crime scene(DUI), nothing wrong with preserving the scene of a crime. And why did the responders need to go near the car anyways, no one was in it?(if he really kept them away)
If someone is missing who are the first suspects? Family. Isn't it standard questioning technique to throw an incorrect statement at a suspect to catch them off guard?
Maybe one of the cops wanted to leave and the jurisdiction argument (if it happened)was about who HAD to stay.
Maybe they backed off any foul play talk because they had no evidence to support it.
Why does it always have to be a conspiracy? Do you have any idea how difficult a conspiracy is to maintain...all the people involved remaining silent. Across 4 LE agencies...for 9 years now...it's nonsense.

Who said ANYTHING about a conspiracy across 4 agencies?? Active imagination you have right there.
What I'm saying is simple, there's a good possibility that smith did think there was something wrong w the scene and thought maybe foul play.
But then as the next day rolled around and the HPD realized there was no suspects no evidence of a struggle no nothing definitive they decided to play down what smith thought that night.
There was no true evidence of foul play do they took advantage of that fact.
The next day after that, Wednesday, the nhsp had the MCU out working the case so they obviously thought the case could be a major crime.
That's not a conspiracy, that's the cops not wanting to admit that they think foul play unless they have to.
You gotta remember that to admit that then they also have to admit that there's a killer on the loose AND they can't catch him.
Unless some sort of definite evidence of foul play comes up they will NEVER outright say they think foul play unless they have someone in cuffs, that's just not gonna happen.
They could be sitting on something big for all we know, let's say one of the wine stains was actually a blood stain, strictly hypothetical bit just for the sake of argument. They would be under no obligation to tell the public that, that could be something only known to the killer & LE & they can even lie & say they have no evidence of a crime. If its something sensitive to the case. They're under no obligation to tell anyone & strategically it probably is a good idea to tell no one.
A few cops that decide to deny they think foul play is not a conspiracy, that's something that happens EVERY DAY in police stations.
IMO the HPD was in cover their ass mode at the beginning & I think that's pretty clear from the lies they told the family & the public.
All I'm saying is that even if they had something pretty definite saying she was dead, but absolutely nothing to tie any suspect to her death or her body to prove she's even definitely dead there ain't no way in hell they're gonna admit that. That's them admitting a girl got killed on their watch, they had one of their guys there within minutes & they can't catch the guy. That just looks bad. Logically it don't make no difference of they were there 1 minute after she left or an hour, they still missed the guy, if he even exists. They would just look bad, public perception can be a bitch & LE agencies are acutely aware of that fact.
Nobody wants to be the cop that had a girl go missing on their watch anyways, public perception aside.
not a conspiracy, that's some cops that don't want to admit
So no big conspiracy, no murder coverup, nothing but a pd who doesn't want to be blamed in the court of public opinion

Air Cav wrote:

SnowyB, in what way are you a friend of Maura?

Explain yourself before you ask of others.

Thankyouverymuch.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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I am a proud air force veteran who comes from a family (boys and girls) that have all served.
Those quotes you are replying too are from the Maura murray family spokesperson known as Peabody.

Oops, my bad. I should have read closer.

Thank you for your service, Orko.

Orko Kringer wrote:

And finally (I told y'all this was a manifesto)
PART III
I also know there are people who knew Maura, both friend and family, who challenged her about her decision to enter nursing. It seems, they, like you thought her too bright to be "just a nurse". However, she told these same people that she liked working with and helping people and that she did not find any interest in the field of chemical engineering. One must also realize that WP DOES NOT offer a major in nursing or any medical field UNTIL after graduation. WHEN one goes on to the medical field from WP, it requires an additonal commitment to the five years already owed to the army. It is also my understanding that as the future permitted and after her marriage, Maura was going to pursue additional schooling in the medical field, so she was not going to be "just a nurse".(I wonder how many nurses are offended that an intelligent young woman is described as wanting to be "just a nurse"?)
Maura was not only a very intelligent person, but also a very practical one. Her changing her major from chemical engineering to nursing from all accounts was totally her idea. When one gets to know the family, her desire to "help people" may be both a genetic/environmental influence: There are MANY members of both sides of Maura's family in a career related to the medical field. She was not following in the steps of her mother and father when she switched to nursing or reacting to some pressure - she was pursuing her own desires. She did/does not have a family that is controling/smothering their adult children.(As an advocate for Maura, I have been contacted by many people; one was a professor/advisor of Maura's. He/She has confirmed the report by her family and friends of her desire to be "just a nurse". He/she told me of more than one meeting with Maura in which he/she attempted to have Maura major in another field, but she was very firm about her choice as well as why it was her choice.) My gosh, just consider, two of the daughters applied to and were accepted at WP which requires 5 year tours in the army. Does this sound like a family who must always be telling their daughters what to do and wants control of them? I am sure military families will quickly fill us in with the knowledge that the military controls your life, not your family. I have daughters and I would panic if one or more of them wanted to be in the army, and would do all that I could to dissuade them (and it has nothing to do with us currently being at war). Yet, people who do not know Maura and do not know her family and friends are convinced that Maura found them ALL so difficult that she had to move on to start a new life. Although I am not of the opinion that Maura ever made plans to start a new life, I continue to pray that she has. But, please, let's not place blame on the people who love Maura most.

Thank you for providing this. Do you know whether Peabody is a close relative of Maura’s? It may be that Maura’s immediate family (parents and sisters) closed ranks with regards to Maura’s troubles at WP and the party line was the above. It would make sense if they wanted to protect both Maura’s and the family’s reputations. I’ve never been comfortable with their promotion of Maura as the all-American girl. It’s a lot for anyone to live up to. It has most certainly helped to keep her in the media spotlight, though. Just look at the case of poor Michelle Knight. How many others have been written off by LE and their families because they have had a troubled past? I just hope that this apparent code of silence hasn’t extended to LE and Fred and the family have shared everything they know. It would be tragic to think they held back something that could be important to the investigation for the sake of keeping up appearances.

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So no big conspiracy, no murder coverup, nothing but a pd who doesn't want to be blamed in the court of public opinion

Half of your post you are talking conspiracy, maybe it's your choice of words but when 2 or more people decide to "cover their ass" or not admit there is a killer they are unable to catch. That's a conspiracy.(they conspire) In order for them to continue the "covering their ass"(the conspiracy), other agency's would have to be complacent and perpetuate the "ass covering", HPD, NHSP, FBI, NHCCU. When you use words like "lie" and "his bosses told him to downplay", that rings of conspiracy.

The you say that they are keeping things from the public that they don't want potential suspects to know. That is not a conspiracy, that's investigation techniques.

You don't seem to know what conspiracy means and you don't want to accept that there may be no ass to cover.