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Snowy
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
This is some very funny stuff. So we all KNOW that I share intimate knowledge of what happened??? I that sarcasm or are you trying to implicate me in the “murder” also? my impression is that there is significant redirected anger and rage toward you, Bill, for standing your ground and refuting, with facts, statements and information that clearly don't add up or make sense, that they've jumped to implicating you in their hysteria. i would not be tempted to tease apart and unwind the information contained in the article, most of which slants toward a conclusion that cannot be supported by factual information. there was, for awhile, a break in the action....but i guess you've come up on the 'watch list'.
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Snowy
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hello, topix....i vote for an 'edit' button. more correctly: my impression is that there is significant redirected anger and rage toward you, Bill, for standing your ground and refuting, with facts, statements and information that clearly don't add up and make sense, AND SO they've jumped to implicating you in their hysteria. there. better.
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just me
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I'll allow it just this once clownsil, then I'm unleashing the Spacballs. Yes, your honor. Gotta go anyway, my son just went under the gamma knife and is not well, very swollen. Add to that 11 year old Maddy, accidently shot in the head and I'll do the spaceballs myself.
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Snowy
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just me wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, your honor.
Gotta go anyway, my son just went under the gamma knife and is not well, very swollen. Add to that 11 year old Maddy, accidently shot in the head and I'll do the spaceballs myself. oh, Dear God. endless sadness...even on this Easter day. so sorry for your pain, Linda. i hope there is healing.
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just me wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, your honor.
Gotta go anyway, my son just went under the gamma knife and is not well, very swollen. Add to that 11 year old Maddy, accidently shot in the head and I'll do the spaceballs myself. I hope your son will heal soon and live a long life. And Maddy too. Rocky Balboa
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just me wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, your honor.
Gotta go anyway, my son just went under the gamma knife and is not well, very swollen. Add to that 11 year old Maddy, accidently shot in the head and I'll do the spaceballs myself. Very sorry to hear this. Best wishes to you and your family. I hope they heal quickly and are home with you soon. Bill
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text>Would they routinely forcibly open the locked door of an abandoned car (my guess is at least they would first have the car towed some place) or would they only do it on suspicion of crime (committed by or to the driver)? Bill, I´m sure you know about these procedures? As far as what police can do it pretty much depends on what they see. They can't just go rooting around in peoples cars. But, as an example, if they see what looks like the grip of a gun sticking out from under a seat (in plain sight) they can secure that gun. Were it gets interesting is even if it wasn't a gun, if a reasonable person could believe it was a gun, its still a legal search. To actually do a full search they would need a warrant but anything in plain view, that causes concern, the officer can secure. If what he secured can cause a chargeable offense I believe (I am not an expert) he can search the vehicle. Whether the opened alcohol in the car was enough probably cause to do a real search, I don't know. If there was no pressing need to do a search right then, they may opt to wait for a search warrant thereby not allowing that to be an issue if it went to court. If the search was illegal the prosecutors lose all evidence acquired during the illegal search (see fruit of the poisoned tree). Bill
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I agree Snowy when will Topix get an edit function?
This sentence should have read:
"Whether the opened alcohol in the car was enough probable cause to do a real search, I don't know."
Bill
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hannah_b
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Thanks for explaining, Bill. And best wishes to Just me and her family.
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Just to clarify, Bill - you consider the opinions of two former FBI profilers to be worthless? WTH-the-original wrote: RT. 112 is a dark, lonely, and uninviting road.... gee, I wonder where this story is heading, kind of sounds like the start of a ghost story doesn’t it? I just want to make sure I understand some of this. O'Connell is insisting that someone at the last fill up, got into Maura's trunk and pulled out a rag and stuffed it into her tailpipe. Remember, dad says that the rag was in the trunk. How does that happen? How does someone get into the locked trunk with the keys? It defies common sense. As does much of what O'Connell says though.
The article is nothing but a mix of old information, unreliable sources and just plain bad information. The article for the most part, sucks. This is a rehash of old information and in some cases the author apparently went on what some people remembered from years earlier, rather then researching what they actually said based on written reports. Poor research job done by the author. The author didn't even do some basic research. Especially, ESPECIALLY, if she had some basic current research on the Patric McCarthy case. We now know that two additional Medical examiners, independently, have confirmed that Patric had died from hypothermia. O'Connell has no credibility that I can see but people insist on using him as a source in this case? Astonishing..
Let this case rest again, until some new information comes out. This "report" sure wasn't it.
I wonder if this is the same half-assed organization SOCO online/magazine, that has repeatedly tried to make the Patric McCarthy into a murder also. Real shoddy reporting but even they have finally reported that two other medical examiners besides the original has established Patric's death as accidental due to hypothermia and wrote a scathing report about the "experts" hired by O'Connell. It is a must read.
Bill
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sophie bean wrote: Just to clarify, Bill - you consider the opinions of two former FBI profilers to be worthless?
<quoted text> First, I don't know what the profilers said. I only have TO's (if this is case we are writing about) word for it. Second, even if they did say that, profilers don't deal with physical evidence. They mostly act as psychologists which is not a hard science. I believe in evidence of hard science like the medical profession and engineering profession. Unless you are paying for an opinion most engineers and medical people when they can give you an honest answer will have the same conclusion, based on science. Profilers, like psychologist is closer to psychics. You get a lot of information not unlike what psychics give. Between 25 and 30. Hates his mother, might be afraid of water, peeing and doesn't like light beer. Probably works night jobs and has a family. While the profiler might be correct and I do lend them more credibility than the greatest psychic, you can't really say it was John Smith that did it like with DNA. And like psychics they have been known to be far off base with their descriptions also. So in short when three written reports of credible Medical examiners tell me that someone died from hypothermia, I believe them. When someone I don't trust tells me what he thinks a profiler said, I don't believe them. Hope that clarifies, Bill
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sophie bean
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Fully agreed that profiling is not an exact science in the same sense that psychology isn't, but while profilers are not necessarily good at finding a specific perpetrator, they appear to be often very right about circumstances surrounding a crime.
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I don't know about "often", that word is very subjective. I would prefer the word "can" be right. And this is with respect to hindsight. No profiler has ever identified a suspect. Profilers, when they are any use at all can exclude and include large groups of people. That is about all and even then, they can be wrong. What would be interesting is if someone did a study with a dart board. Threw darts at the board and those positions on the board had things like, hates mom, or dislikes light beer, etc. And then comparing those tallies to what the profiler guessed. At least that might help give more credence to the profiler. You know, they could advertise "better than a dart board". I suspect that the psychics would fail the dart board test. Don't get me wrong. I love listening to profilers, I find some credible, think some are very smart/intuitive and I enjoy hearing their insight. It's just that their observations are not usually that useful when you get right down to it. Bill
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Sally F
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I was vacationing in Loon the wkend that Patick went missing and have followed this case for years. I always check these boards and seem astonished at the amount of time people spend debating the facts... the back and forth. But now I find myself jumping in too ... It seems to me that the profilers have named a person of interest. From the beginning of Patrick's missing case, it seemed one of his brothers was very disturbed. Sometimes kids can be angry and take hatred out on younger children. I believe that no matter how young or bad kids can be, it all starts somewhere and I would bet that step mother had her hand in it. She doesn't seem smart enough to come up with a big plan on her own, but regardless something just never seemed right to me about those two and their initial stories to the troopers in NH. Actually she seems downright fat& lazy!! I would hope that someone one like her, a nobody from would never be able to pull off a crime like that and get away with it ... sickening!! As for maura, my insticts tell me that she was just at the wrong place at the wrng time. What ever happened to giving someone the benefit of the doubt. Seems to me that she was just a girl who needed to get away for a weekend - not a lifetime....
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I was vacationing over by Jackson during this search. I remember wanting to help but my kids were young then and we were on a family vacation. I also remember thinking that this boy could be in very serious trouble because of the temperatures, heavy rain and strong winds (the remnants of a hurricane if I remember correctly). These were ideal conditions for hypothermia to set in if he wasn't dressed appropriately and I remember being very concerned about this at that time, even mentioning it to my wife. You might also want to review some of the information from the latest M.E. to weight in on this tragedy. It is a fascinating read. No indications of trauma of any type. Certainly nothing related to someone pushing Patric's face into the ground or sitting on Patric as has been alleged. See hyperlinks in post #3759. What is just as interesting is how mute all the screamers were from before. Not much to say now, finally. Bill
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Snowy
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WTH-the-original wrote: What is just as interesting is how mute all the screamers were from before. Not much to say now, finally.
Bill be assured the chatter is somewhere, though not, for the moment, here. much breath-holding, no doubt, in anticipation of findings surrounding the tragic disappearance of the young mother from north conway. this, at least, shows some uncharacteristic level of respect and discretion, so far.
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Lucky
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"What is just as interesting is how mute all the screamers were from before. Not much to say now, finally. "
Bill - maybe its the calm before the storm! you always seem to be the only one talking! You know how the saying goes - the one who does all the talking .....
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Lord Dark Helmet
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Lucky wrote: "What is just as interesting is how mute all the screamers were from before. Not much to say now, finally. "
Bill - maybe its the calm before the storm! you always seem to be the only one talking! You know how the saying goes - the one who does all the talking ..... Count yourself Lucky, Lucky.
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Lucky wrote: "What is just as interesting is how mute all the screamers were from before. Not much to say now, finally. "
Bill - maybe its the calm before the storm! you always seem to be the only one talking! You know how the saying goes - the one who does all the talking ..... Jesus, how long have we been hearing those tired lines. "Justice is coming." "Just you wait" "The truth will be revealed." Well, near as I can tell, justice has finally been done. The M.E. is vindicated as are F&G and all the others that gave such care, time and expertise to the search and recovery. But no apologies have been forthcoming. Not even from the most vocal, clueless, critics. Bill
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just me
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be assured the chatter is somewhere, though not, for the moment, here. much breath-holding, no doubt, in anticipation of findings surrounding the tragic disappearance of the young mother from north conway. this, at least, shows some uncharacteristic level of respect and discretion, so far. http://560wgan.com/Body-Of-Mis sing-Portland-Woman-Found/9716 514 PS Thank you for the kind words everyone.
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