Maura Murray

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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You missed the point and I'd explain it to you, but you aren't the real Jenkins. Jenkins would never make a point in just two sentences. He'd have to repeat himself and say the same thing in a different way atleast 5-6 times.

This actually made me laugh out loud!

Det Columbo wrote:

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NEVER said it was a FACT......Get it straight there Snowwalker
John

Founder.....you honor us with your presence.

I am truely humbled by the feeling of having a GOD post amongst us.

In 2008, an autobody repairman said he had seen, in 2004, the damage to Maura Murray's Saturn before it left Amherst MA and was subsequently found abandoned in Haverhill NH.

Who showed the autobody repairman the damaged Saturn?

Hey, Det. Columbo -

You know anything about insurance claims? Damage appraisals? Salvage titles? Stuff like that?

Alden...do they sell auto parts to the general public? Like headlights?

Det Columbo wrote:

Where did PIKE go.....?
From Umass researchers forum by Beags
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what is TOT? who are Bob the Bartender and Pike?
how they are connected with maura?
thank you
apparently, person, TOT was a punishment exacted by the leaders of a previous Maura Murray forum against anyone who spoke their minds, or had opinions differing from the party line.
the party line was and is any concept endorsed by Maura's father.
TOT has been defined as Time Out in a Tent, i believe. one would be remanded to a figurative tent, as punishment, where Bob the Bartender would serve up a cyber-beverage.
Pike, by all accounts, was a super-nice guy and an intelligent poster, by his stellar reputation from the same forum. he is remembered fondly by some for his daring to speak up often and disagree with the party line. a no-no. he either left the forum, or was summarily banished. it is unclear which occurred.
only Pike was connected to Maura's missing, as he apparently tried to assist in solving her disappearance."
John

I appreciate the very kind words.

It appears that my previous post was deleted. Trying again...

Maruchan, you are better than I am at finding old posts and you have a better memory than I do. I thought I remembered reading a post by Helena on the FB page saying something along the lines that she had seen the full affidavit with the date and more pages. Do you remember reading that post? It's not really important. I just wanted to reread her exact words about it, but I can't find the post now. (7 hrs ago | post #37343)

amy researches wrote:

Maruchan, you are better than I am at finding old posts and you have a better memory than I do. I thought I remembered reading a post by Helena on the FB page saying something along the lines that she had seen the full affidavit with the date and more pages. Do you remember reading that post? It's not really important. I just wanted to reread her exact words about it, but I can't find the post now. (7 hrs ago | post #37343)

Facebook's "search" function is a waste of time. I had to keep adding "older posts" in order to find the info - I remembered it too. The thread is dated March 2, 2012. Here are all of Helena's posts on that thread (edited to the salient points) regarding the ping and Maura's cellphone records:

"... she checked her voice mails at 4:37. The family does not have any information about pings. It would appear that LE does, since they subpoenaed Maura's phone records."

"The voice mail on Billy's phone was Wednesday morning, Feb 11, 2004. The ping was Feb 9, 2004."

"The NH police did check her cell records beyond the cell phone bill provided to them. They did not, to my knowledge, contact the people she called that afternoon ... I just don't know enough about how it works, but the ping was not in the area of the accident."

"... All I know is that no calls showed on her cell phone bill, and the ping that I KNOW about from court records found indicates that the call did not come from that area."

"We don't know what the records through phone pings show. We've never seen the information, with the exception of the document referring to the Londonderry call ... I don't know what information Lt Landry obtained or whether it was helpful."

"I have seen the entire document. I have no reason to question its legitimacy. The single page that has circulated is only one, undated page of a multi-page document."

For the last quote, this was the question Helena was responding to:

"Helena, the affidavit from Landry - do you know if that in itself legit? Is that something you have seen yourself or verified to be real? I figured if anything useful came of it that it would be held by LE."

Answer again:

"I have seen the entire document. I have no reason to question its legitimacy. The single page that has circulated is only one, undated page of a multi-page document."

SnowyB wrote:

Maruchan, if you would like to beat a carc-ass to smithereens, you could find Dawn's posts from several years ago, although those threads may have been deleted or archived.
she was a verizon employee of many years, and engaged a verizon engineer to unwind the ping and the pong.
might as well do a thorough rewind.

Snowy, thank you for your earlier compliments.

I did a search for Dawn's analysis of the pings, but the most I can find are from Advocate's old forum, and there are only partial references to what must have been a thorough discussion of her knowledge of pings, as she keeps saying that she has already discussed it ad nauseum. She posted on Topix too about it, but it's all a jumble and there isn't anything cohesive that would really make sense to re-post here. I also have been having lots of trouble accessing Advocate's forum, it's really hit and miss, plus my computer is having issues and it takes a long time for pages to load anyway right now. If I do find something that is worth re-posting, I will do so. If anybody else can find it, feel free. My mousing arm and shoulder are getting worn out.:)

Maruchan wrote:

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Snowy, thank you for your earlier compliments.
I did a search for Dawn's analysis of the pings, but the most I can find are from Advocate's old forum, and there are only partial references to what must have been a thorough discussion of her knowledge of pings, as she keeps saying that she has already discussed it ad nauseum. She posted on Topix too about it, but it's all a jumble and there isn't anything cohesive that would really make sense to re-post here. I also have been having lots of trouble accessing Advocate's forum, it's really hit and miss, plus my computer is having issues and it takes a long time for pages to load anyway right now. If I do find something that is worth re-posting, I will do so. If anybody else can find it, feel free. My mousing arm and shoulder are getting worn out.:)

Just to add, I have gathered from Dawn's posts that she was a long-time employee of Verizon, does not believe the Londonderry pingthing is real, believes it was a red herring, and she says that you would have to know the name of the caller first before you could trace the pingthing to them.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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The same officer from the video said this in 2012:
"I take into consideration the family's thought that she was coming up to kill herself. But what was the initial catalyst to make her want to do that? And what happened when she got here? My sense is that she is not still alive."
Doesn't sound to me like someone that thinks foul play took place

IDK orky, to me that sounds more like a guy who couldn't solve the biggest case of his career and doesn't want to admit it. He doesn't want to be the guy that couldn't find her. It's pretty sad that he's STILL trying to say the family thought she was coming up to kill herself. Maybe he could've said that her dad thought that but the family clearly thought she ran away at first.

There's an article from a coupole months after she went missing where Sharon straight up calls them out as liars for saying that the family said they thought she came up NH to kill herself. She says that they never said that and that LE just don't want to admit the truth. It's the elephant in the room, they know that in all likelihood she got killed but they don't wanna admit it cuz if they do then they also have to admit that there's a murderer on the loose AND they can't catch the guy. They ain't ever gonna come out and admit that outtright, not happening, it's just not.

Remember the old saying 'actions speak louder than words'. That saying applies to this case very well. You gotta look at what LE has DONE, not what they've said. Their investigation is clearly a criminal investigation not a suicide investigation. This would have to be the most investigated suicide of all time. It's the biggest investigation in NH history according to the AAG, that says something right there. Also the case has been handled by the MCU and now the CCU, these are murder police, not suicide investigators. Sure they would investigate it a little bit but would they put on the sheer amount of time and resources that they have If they thought suicide? That's very hard to believe IMO.

If they really thought she killed herself then that would mean that she's in the woods somewhere. Well if that's the case then how come they've conducted no ground searches anywhere after the initial searches? Shouldn't they be looking for her in the woods somewhere if she killled herself? Instead of looking in the woods they've been questioning people and searching, or trying to search, people's property. Why is it they've searched the CW's trailer once with a forensics team and his property 2 or 3 times but have never searched the woods near any of her favorite hiking trails? How do you explain that? THey're searching properties for the fun of it? How does that make any sense? Why are they conducting a criminal investigation if they believe she killed herself?

Orky- can you point out ONE thing they've DONE, not said, that even suggests they're investigating what they believe to be a suicide? What action have they taken that suggests that they truly believe she killed herself?

Maruchan wrote:

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Snowy, thank you for your earlier compliments.
I did a search for Dawn's analysis of the pings, but the most I can find are from Advocate's old forum, and there are only partial references to what must have been a thorough discussion of her knowledge of pings, as she keeps saying that she has already discussed it ad nauseum. She posted on Topix too about it, but it's all a jumble and there isn't anything cohesive that would really make sense to re-post here. I also have been having lots of trouble accessing Advocate's forum, it's really hit and miss, plus my computer is having issues and it takes a long time for pages to load anyway right now. If I do find something that is worth re-posting, I will do so. If anybody else can find it, feel free. My mousing arm and shoulder are getting worn out.:)

Advocate is still here...she might be able to access the content more easily.

you're right....i just took a look, and gathered only some scattered references from Dawn. i'll bring them forward...just for the hell of it.

and thank you for looking, Maruchan!

mcsmom wrote:

Alden...do they sell auto parts to the general public? Like headlights?

From memory, they did find light bulb wrappings in the car.

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/franconia-nh/...

posts 1045 and 1046 are remnants of earlier conversations where Dawn addressed phone records

hopefully, the post numbers match up

amy researches wrote:

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Thank you! I tried going through older posts, but my screen froze up around in the middle of 2012 each time I tried. Thank you again.

You're welcome.

I'm sorry, the date was a typo - it should have said the thread was dated March 2, 2013, not 2012.

SnowyB wrote:

<quoted text>and thank you for looking, Maruchan!

You're welcome too.

:)

Maruchan wrote:

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You're welcome.
I'm sorry, the date was a typo - it should have said the thread was dated March 2, 2013, not 2012.
:)

I must have scrolled right past it then. I was able to see all of 2013.

mcsmom wrote:

Seems like details of the WB accident scene are sketchy at best. Did Brad K ever say he smelled something or what his thoughts were as to why EMS and fire were not allowed near the car?
Maybe a list of reasons why Fire would not be allowed near a vehicle? I mean if it were something potentially hazardous, fire would be who you'd want there.
With a missing driver, EMS would be the ones to help as well.
To me it seems plausible that there was something in the backseat that CS didn't want anyone to see.
Add in the question from the other Brad, "what would one expect to see in the backseat of Maura's car"?

Have always wondered about these things too.
Also, wondered why nothing more was written about Northland being called for towing and then "turned back"....subject "left in private vehicle"....were Northland's log/records checked..?
RE: box of wine on backseat...how empty/full was it...?

Jenkins wrote:

It's the biggest investigation in NH history according to the AAG, that says something right there. Also the case has been handled by the MCU and now the CCU, these are murder police, not suicide investigators. Sure they would investigate it a little bit but would they put on the sheer amount of time and resources that they have If they thought suicide? That's very hard to believe IMO.

Jenkins - your CCU argument is nonsense.

Here's why:

Maura's case isn't solved so it is by virtue a cold case.

There aren't suicide detectives and this doesn't appear to be drug related so what other detective besides a homicide detective would work the case to close it?

Hey shack is it known for a fact that northland was called out and then called back with the whole 'left in private vehicle' thing.

Couldn't this possibly prove the existance of an earlier accident around 7PM that night that the poster 'anne' claimed to have heard on her scanner? Didn't she say she heard the same thing 'left in private vehicle'? I had no reason to doubt dawn & I had no reason to doubt 'weeper', who was an ex NHSP Lieutenant, when he said that he knew of other people in the area who also remember hearing the other earlier call at 7PM.

What do we know about the whole Northland thing? I forgot all about that