Maura Murray

SnowyB wrote:

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Advocate is still here...she might be able to access the content more easily.
you're right....i just took a look, and gathered only some scattered references from Dawn. i'll bring them forward...just for the hell of it.
and thank you for looking, Maruchan!

Jenky, Jenky

The same Sharon that you quote as calling the police liars also has stated to the public that maura and billy have the greatest relationship ever (Not exactly her words but same meaning)

Who is spinning here. Police or Family?

Sharon has also been quoted in the early days as describing Fred as being worried that his daughter may have taken her own life.

Whoops, that was a reply to Jenky not Snowy

Jenkins wrote:

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IDK orky, to me that sounds more like a guy who couldn't solve the biggest case of his career and doesn't want to admit it. He doesn't want to be the guy that couldn't find her. It's pretty sad that he's STILL trying to say the family thought she was coming up to kill herself. Maybe he could've said that her dad thought that but the family clearly thought she ran away at first.
There's an article from a coupole months after she went missing where Sharon straight up calls them out as liars for saying that the family said they thought she came up NH to kill herself. She says that they never said that and that LE just don't want to admit the truth. It's the elephant in the room, they know that in all likelihood she got killed but they don't wanna admit it cuz if they do then they also have to admit that there's a murderer on the loose AND they can't catch the guy. They ain't ever gonna come out and admit that outtright, not happening, it's just not.
Remember the old saying 'actions speak louder than words'. That saying applies to this case very well. You gotta look at what LE has DONE, not what they've said. Their investigation is clearly a criminal investigation not a suicide investigation. This would have to be the most investigated suicide of all time. It's the biggest investigation in NH history according to the AAG, that says something right there. Also the case has been handled by the MCU and now the CCU, these are murder police, not suicide investigators. Sure they would investigate it a little bit but would they put on the sheer amount of time and resources that they have If they thought suicide? That's very hard to believe IMO.
If they really thought she killed herself then that would mean that she's in the woods somewhere. Well if that's the case then how come they've conducted no ground searches anywhere after the initial searches? Shouldn't they be looking for her in the woods somewhere if she killled herself? Instead of looking in the woods they've been questioning people and searching, or trying to search, people's property. Why is it they've searched the CW's trailer once with a forensics team and his property 2 or 3 times but have never searched the woods near any of her favorite hiking trails? How do you explain that? THey're searching properties for the fun of it? How does that make any sense? Why are they conducting a criminal investigation if they believe she killed herself?
Orky- can you point out ONE thing they've DONE, not said, that even suggests they're investigating what they believe to be a suicide? What action have they taken that suggests that they truly believe she killed herself?

Jenky, Jenky

The same Sharon that you quote as calling the police liars also has stated to the public that maura and billy have the greatest relationship ever (Not exactly her words but same meaning)

Who is spinning here. Police or Family?

Sharon has also been quoted in the early days as describing Fred as being worried that his daughter may have taken her own life.

Jenkins wrote:

Hey shack is it known for a fact that northland was called out and then called back with the whole 'left in private vehicle' thing.
Couldn't this possibly prove the existance of an earlier accident around 7PM that night that the poster 'anne' claimed to have heard on her scanner? Didn't she say she heard the same thing 'left in private vehicle'? I had no reason to doubt dawn & I had no reason to doubt 'weeper', who was an ex NHSP Lieutenant, when he said that he knew of other people in the area who also remember hearing the other earlier call at 7PM.
What do we know about the whole Northland thing? I forgot all about that

The Northland entry was made by local with ties to FD/EMS....however, further discussion was curtailed. Yes, I believed the poster Ann re: a scanner call. Yes, I trusted Weeper. I don't pay much attention to "ping...rags" discussions.
I treat all these discussions as such as a gathering of people, who really don't want to talk about Maura and her possible fate.

Jenkins wrote:

Hey shack is it known for a fact that northland was called out and then called back with the whole 'left in private vehicle' thing.
Couldn't this possibly prove the existance of an earlier accident around 7PM that night that the poster 'anne' claimed to have heard on her scanner? Didn't she say she heard the same thing 'left in private vehicle'? I had no reason to doubt dawn & I had no reason to doubt 'weeper', who was an ex NHSP Lieutenant, when he said that he knew of other people in the area who also remember hearing the other earlier call at 7PM.
What do we know about the whole Northland thing? I forgot all about that

I remember Anne talking about the "left in a private vehicle" thing around 7pm. I must have missed the Northland discussion. I would think the PIs (Weeper etc) would have requested those logs?

Amy, Northland wasn't discussed...it was a Post written by a local. It was between the Spring of 2005 and the Spring of 2008.

There were two family forums. The first started in November 2004. The 2nd started around October
2006.

Trying to trust my memory, the Northland entry was within the first family forum. It was short lived.
I do not know why.

Maruchan wrote:

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Just to add, I have gathered from Dawn's posts that she was a long-time employee of Verizon, does not believe the Londonderry pingthing is real, believes it was a red herring, and she says that you would have to know the name of the caller first before you could trace the pingthing to them.

That makes sense as to the affidavit. They have info that someone pinged or called Mauras phone number, but they were unable to trace it back to an individual.( the affidavit sort of mirrored this) I would think that the phone system would have had info in the system that someone was trying to call her number and the call went off the londonderry tower.Why wouldn't the computer have that info. It might be more difficult to track it back to the number that the person called her from.

sorry if this is confusing but I am not a tech person.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - your CCU argument is nonsense.
Here's why:
Maura's case isn't solved so it is by virtue a cold case.
There aren't suicide detectives and this doesn't appear to be drug related so what other detective besides a homicide detective would work the case to close it?

Huh? This argument makes no sense, there's many other investigators besides the CCU that handle missing persons cases where foul play is NOT suspected. The CCU specifically deals with missing persons ONLY if foul play is suspected.

They clearly state that they don't investigate every missing persons case & they certainly don't investigate cases where suicide is the suspected outcome.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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Jenky, Jenky
The same Sharon that you quote as calling the police liars also has stated to the public that maura and billy have the greatest relationship ever (Not exactly her words but same meaning)
Who is spinning here. Police or Family?
Sharon has also been quoted in the early days as describing Fred as being worried that his daughter may have taken her own life.

That's a good point & it's obvious both the family & the police have tried to spin the case their own way.

It's clear they're both full of shit in some aspects, this is why IMO you can't really trust everything LE has to say so it's much better to look at way they've done, actions speak louder than words.

So why don't you answer my question Orky- what have LE done that makes you think they believe she committed suicide and is in the woods somewhere? Why would they be conducting a criminal investigation if they think she killed herself? Can you name just one thing they've done that indicates they think that she killed herself and will be found in the woods somewhere? Besides the initial searches what have they don't besides investigate this case criminally?

Jenkins "Hey shack is it known for a fact that northland was called out and then called back with the whole 'left in private vehicle' thing." No.

citigirl wrote:

Jenkins "Hey shack is it known for a fact that northland was called out and then called back with the whole 'left in private vehicle' thing." No.

Citigirl....Yes....."No. "
(smiley face...aarrgh)

Citigirl..hope you understand my last Post...
I think you understand that I don't KNOW anything...(wish I did)

The creepy email guy in Renners Blog is very disturbing to me, I have a creepy feeling that this person has some bad skeletons in the closet. I would look into NY, NJ prostitute crimes.

Look into the long island serial killer as that is the first thing that crossed my mind.

Jenkins wrote:

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That's a good point & it's obvious both the family & the police have tried to spin the case their own way.
It's clear they're both full of shit in some aspects, this is why IMO you can't really trust everything LE has to say so it's much better to look at way they've done, actions speak louder than words.
So why don't you answer my question Orky- what have LE done that makes you think they believe she committed suicide and is in the woods somewhere? Why would they be conducting a criminal investigation if they think she killed herself? Can you name just one thing they've done that indicates they think that she killed herself and will be found in the woods somewhere? Besides the initial searches what have they don't besides investigate this case criminally?

Jenky, in a way I think you are answering your own question to me.

Police haven't done much.

When they hear an adult has willingfully gone missing on their own, Their (Police) resources aren't fully brought out like they would be investigating a child going missing or some sort of kidnapping that has taken place.

Fred saw the lack of urgency by law enforcement in those early days. And IMO, he had to do something to try and put pressure on the investigations. If I was a father in a similar circumstance I would do what fred did as well (introduce a boogeyman/sinister motive)

Maura's case did receive decent media attention in the early days and then the two shows came out featuring her case. It remains a mystery, one that has gotten the public's interest and that is why she appears on the CCU list. Her case is somewhat of a famous unsolved and unresolved case for the new hampshire area.

SnowyB wrote:

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Advocate is still here...she might be able to access the content more easily.

Yep, I'm still here but that forum is mostly inaccessible now. The host company was bought by another company and all the existing forums were transferred. Since my old forum was inactive/dead, I think only remnants transferred and will probably be deleted when they get around to it.

BUT ... I do have what I believe are the salient points Dawn made about the "Londonderry ping" issue. I saved several of her posts that clarified the matter.

To preface, Dawn at the time (posting in 2009) was working for Quest. Previously, she had worked for other phone companies. She had been in that business for 22 years. Here are three posts she made in the spring of 2009 on Topix:

DAWN -- Posted Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:40 pm
>>>Also - if phone is off and a call comes in - it is forwarded to VM - that cannot be traced. The towers are not involved.<<<

DAWN -- Posted Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:53 pm
>>>If she didn't get the call - out of service / turned off - the phone would NOT have record of this call - it would forward to the voicemail....... as I have stated many times - your voicemail is NOT on the cell phone - it sits on a server.

To know a call came from that tower - first we need to know who called her ? and then subpoena their cell company - trace their pings and see where they were. Buy a lottery ticket you have a better chance... NO WAY LE had this information.. I would bet everything I own on it <<<

DAWN -- Posted Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:03 am
>>>You are correct if her phone was not on then her phone would not physically have a record of it. But if it went to voice mail then the voice mail server would have the phone number of the person who called.

Only if the caller left a voicemail. If they hung up . unfortunately it does not record it.. maybe the left a voicemail.. i dont' know. <<<

DAWN'S PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THE LONDONDERRY MATTER -- This was posted on my Forum on Oct 11, 2010:

>>>MY PERSONAL OPINION is that they DO have info of a call from londonderry - that called her phone. Her phone did not answer - this is INFO about another persons phone. Who's I don't know. But I think they have it. Someone else was trying to reach her. That is why I knew it couldn't be from her phone.. It is NOT her records that are in question - its someone elses phone info they have. thats why they put it out there.. to let that person know.. Gotcha - we know you were in this area... but thats probably all they could prove. police leak stuff like that all the time.<<<

SO ... MY UNDERSTANDING IS
Based on the above, if someone called Maura and her phone was turned off or she was out of range, HER PHONE RECORDS would not have any record of this attempted incoming call. If the caller left a voicemail, that voicemail would be stored on the server that handled Maura's voicemail service. If the caller didn't leave a voicemail, there would be no record at all on any of Maura's phone records (not her voicemail either) that someone tried to call her.

Dawn's theory was that possibly LE did/does know that a voicemail was left and has that voicemail which they could get from the server that hosted the voicemail for Maura's phone plan. If so, then LE may also have the phone number of the caller who left the voicemail. However, that doesn't mean that LE knows who made the call. The call could have been made from a public phone, for example and the caller didn't leave his/her name or any info that would identify him/her. OR, LE has phone records for someone they know called her (someone they were already looking at, so they had reason to request that person's phone records) and wanted to spook that person so put out the Landry affidavit. Per Dawn, she believed the affidavit to be "fake" because it was not on LE letterhead, so possible planted in Maura's file to get a reaction from someone.

Maruchan wrote:

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Just to add, I have gathered from Dawn's posts that she was a long-time employee of Verizon, does not believe the Londonderry pingthing is real, believes it was a red herring, and she says that you would have to know the name of the caller first before you could trace the pingthing to them.

Dawn wrote:
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MY PESONAL OPINION>>>>> >>>>>> is that they DO have info of a call from londonderry - that called her phone. Her phone did not answer - this is INFO about another persons phone. Who's I don't know. But I think they have it. Someone else was trying to reach her. That is why I knew it couldn't be from her phone.. It is NOT her records that are in question - its someone elses phone info they have. thats why they put it out there.. to let that person know.. Gotcha - we know you were in this area... but thats probably all they could prove. police leak stuff like that all the time.

LE's intention was to never have any of the files released. Why would they "plant" a fake document in those files? Calling it a red herring seems to be a red herring in itself.

Dawn's statements do back up the fact that they were looking for the number of a incoming caller, not a "ping".

She also claims that if MM's phone was off then the towers were not involved. But Sprint told Landry that a call was made from the Sprint tower in Londonderry, NH. So MM's phone was on? Was Sprint wrong? Maybe they should hire Dawn...

Dawn says on 10/11/2010 " I am just simply stating as telecomm expert that info was not correct.. which was validated by Helena. "

Yet Helena says the document is legitimate.

~Yep bringing those old posts back really cleared things up. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

We are missing a few players here.

Mysteriously absent........!

John