Maura Murray

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Alson Olden wrote:

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LD said she had done it once before. Took a trip to Boston for a day without telling anyone.
Keep in mind an answer to this could be very different depending on who you ask in Maura's life. Just because she took a trip to Boston without telling her friends - "anyone" to LD - doesn't mean her family didn't know she was there. LD isn't going to be talking to FM everyday so information like that falls between the cracks of two different "social circles" that Maura had.
I think you have to take every generalization a friend or relative makes about Maura or her tendencies with a grain of salt. I think most people have very different lives when it comes to what their friends know about them compared to what their families know about them.

If I'm remembering correctly, one of Maura's friends on Disappeared said she had once taken off for the day to go in Boston when in high school. I think this is what you're referring to?

Whether or not her father knew about this one previous incident, I wouldn't consider this to be a pattern of behavior. Taking a day off high school to go to the city is much different in my mind than taking a week off of college, driving to NH, and never showing back up.

I also agree with what you're saying about circles of friends and family not necessarily knowing a person in the same way. At Maura's age especially, I talked to my friends about things I wouldn't have told my parents. I would also suspect that Maura's new college friends would have known things about her day to day life that her circle of friends from high school did not.

Regarding Renner's latest post:

In the past and recently, I've had a look at some records for the property located at 22 Walker Street in Weymouth MA. Many are available online, like the one Renner posted. What I have found interesting is that Renner continually refers to the property as Fred Murray's house.

This house appears to have been originally owned by "Frederick M. Murray," who appears to have been father of "our" Fred, who is "Frederick J. Murray" (see the documents section on Renner's blog, Fred's litigation against the State of NH for full name). The house was apparently willed to "Frederick M. Murray's" children as noted in Daniel P. Murray's "Declaration of Homestead" recorded 9/4/98 (available on the Norfolk County Deeds website):

"KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I, Daniel P. Murray, of 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, Norfolk County, Massachusetts, and as owner of real estate located at 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, Norfolk County, Massachusetts, which was inherited by me from the Estate of Frederick M. Murray, Norfolk County Probate Records, Case No: 95P3074A1 and as an owner thereof, and being entitled to an estate of homestead in the land and buildings hereinafter described, do hereby declare that I own and am possessed and occupy said premises as a residence and homestead under Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 188, Section 1, as amended." This is followed by a legal description of the property, and is dated 8-28-98.

All property records show the owner of this property, up through February 12, 2013, as "Murray, Daniel P., et al." ("et al." means "and others")(another tax lien was filed on that date against Daniel P. Murray, et al.).

Even Renner noted, in one of his blog entries: "Fred's brother, Danny, and his sister, Rita, also lived at this house on occasion."

Therefore, we know that Daniel Murray owned and resided at this property, and, according to Renner, so did Fred and Rita. There may be other brothers and sisters who also share ownership of this house, I haven't found that info yet.

Therefore, it would be up to "Murray, Daniel P., et al." to pay taxes and to make payments to bring the taxes current. The duty to pay those taxes would not fall only on Fred, it would also fall on his siblings and all others sharing ownership of the house. Obviously, the tax liens have been paid up until February 12, 2013, or they would have lost the property.

Besides showing that yes, James, your latest post is a red herring, it also shows that the house you constantly refer to as belonging to Fred Murray actually belongs to several Murray members and has since 1998 through early 2013. Also, anything you have found on that property could belong to any of the owners of that property, or their children, or friends, or homeless people, or ...

IMHO, the whole "Walker Street" house theory is a red herring.

Maruchan wrote:

Regarding Renner's latest post:
In the past and recently, I've had a look at some records for the property located at 22 Walker Street in Weymouth MA. Many are available online, like the one Renner posted. What I have found interesting is that Renner continually refers to the property as Fred Murray's house.
This house appears to have been originally owned by "Frederick M. Murray," who appears to have been father of "our" Fred, who is "Frederick J. Murray" (see the documents section on Renner's blog, Fred's litigation against the State of NH for full name). The house was apparently willed to "Frederick M. Murray's" children as noted in Daniel P. Murray's "Declaration of Homestead" recorded 9/4/98 (available on the Norfolk County Deeds website):
"KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I, Daniel P. Murray, of 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, Norfolk County, Massachusetts, and as owner of real estate located at 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, Norfolk County, Massachusetts, which was inherited by me from the Estate of Frederick M. Murray, Norfolk County Probate Records, Case No: 95P3074A1 and as an owner thereof, and being entitled to an estate of homestead in the land and buildings hereinafter described, do hereby declare that I own and am possessed and occupy said premises as a residence and homestead under Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 188, Section 1, as amended." This is followed by a legal description of the property, and is dated 8-28-98.
All property records show the owner of this property, up through February 12, 2013, as "Murray, Daniel P., et al." ("et al." means "and others")(another tax lien was filed on that date against Daniel P. Murray, et al.).
Even Renner noted, in one of his blog entries: "Fred's brother, Danny, and his sister, Rita, also lived at this house on occasion."
Therefore, we know that Daniel Murray owned and resided at this property, and, according to Renner, so did Fred and Rita. There may be other brothers and sisters who also share ownership of this house, I haven't found that info yet.
Therefore, it would be up to "Murray, Daniel P., et al." to pay taxes and to make payments to bring the taxes current. The duty to pay those taxes would not fall only on Fred, it would also fall on his siblings and all others sharing ownership of the house. Obviously, the tax liens have been paid up until February 12, 2013, or they would have lost the property.
Besides showing that yes, James, your latest post is a red herring, it also shows that the house you constantly refer to as belonging to Fred Murray actually belongs to several Murray members and has since 1998 through early 2013. Also, anything you have found on that property could belong to any of the owners of that property, or their children, or friends, or homeless people, or ...
IMHO, the whole "Walker Street" house theory is a red herring.

Well said......

Maybe I'm confused, but wasn't Fred living and working in Connecticut when Maura disappeared?

Columbo?

Maruchan wrote:

Besides showing that yes, James, your latest post is a red herring, it also shows that the house you constantly refer to as belonging to Fred Murray actually belongs to several Murray members and has since 1998 through early 2013. Also, anything you have found on that property could belong to any of the owners of that property, or their children, or friends, or homeless people, or ...
IMHO, the whole "Walker Street" house theory is a red herring.

I want to add that I have made an assumption here that is possibly wrong. The house does not necessarily belong to Fred or any other siblings - the "et al." could refer to anybody, including Daniel Murray's wife. It is Renner's statement that Fred and Rita lived there that led me to that conclusion, but that could be wrong. In fact, after many searches, I can find no reference to "our" Fred Murray every owning any property in Weymouth, MA. When I have done property searches in other cases, the "et al." names on deeds and other property documents also show up under their own individual names, so it seems that Fred's name, if it is indeed on any property records, would show up in searches, but it doesn't, either by name or property address.

Until I find evidence to show Fred Murray actually owned the property, I will have to go with Daniel Murray as the property owner and primary resident of the Weymouth house.

Maruchan wrote:

Regarding Renner's latest post:
In the past and recently, I've had a look at some records for the property located at 22 Walker Street in Weymouth MA. Many are available online, like the one Renner posted. What I have found interesting is that Renner continually refers to the property as Fred Murray's house.
This house appears to have been originally owned by "Frederick M. Murray," who appears to have been father of "our" Fred, who is "Frederick J. Murray" (see the documents section on Renner's blog, Fred's litigation against the State of NH for full name). The house was apparently willed to "Frederick M. Murray's" children as noted in Daniel P. Murray's "Declaration of Homestead" recorded 9/4/98 (available on the Norfolk County Deeds website):
"KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that I, Daniel P. Murray, of 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, Norfolk County, Massachusetts, and as owner of real estate located at 22 Walker Street, Weymouth, Norfolk County, Massachusetts, which was inherited by me from the Estate of Frederick M. Murray, Norfolk County Probate Records, Case No: 95P3074A1 and as an owner thereof, and being entitled to an estate of homestead in the land and buildings hereinafter described, do hereby declare that I own and am possessed and occupy said premises as a residence and homestead under Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 188, Section 1, as amended." This is followed by a legal description of the property, and is dated 8-28-98.
All property records show the owner of this property, up through February 12, 2013, as "Murray, Daniel P., et al." ("et al." means "and others")(another tax lien was filed on that date against Daniel P. Murray, et al.).
Even Renner noted, in one of his blog entries: "Fred's brother, Danny, and his sister, Rita, also lived at this house on occasion."
Therefore, we know that Daniel Murray owned and resided at this property, and, according to Renner, so did Fred and Rita. There may be other brothers and sisters who also share ownership of this house, I haven't found that info yet.
Therefore, it would be up to "Murray, Daniel P., et al." to pay taxes and to make payments to bring the taxes current. The duty to pay those taxes would not fall only on Fred, it would also fall on his siblings and all others sharing ownership of the house. Obviously, the tax liens have been paid up until February 12, 2013, or they would have lost the property.
Besides showing that yes, James, your latest post is a red herring, it also shows that the house you constantly refer to as belonging to Fred Murray actually belongs to several Murray members and has since 1998 through early 2013. Also, anything you have found on that property could belong to any of the owners of that property, or their children, or friends, or homeless people, or ...
IMHO, the whole "Walker Street" house theory is a red herring.

deedsonline. always useful.
it's a shame only a very few can report with accuracy, and document as thoroughly as you have.
i am not motivated to fact-check or investigate, but it is good that someone is inclined to set the record straight.

amy researches wrote:

Maybe I'm confused, but wasn't Fred living and working in Connecticut when Maura disappeared?
Columbo?

He was staying at a fairly nice hotel (complete with kitchen etc..)

And he was there for quite a while.

This is a line from an old article done by Newscenter 5 wherever that is.

"Every other weekend for nine months Fred Murray has made the trip from Connecticut to a New Hampshire motel that has become the home base in his search for his missing daughter.

"No one else is looking and the case would just die and be forgotten. I've got to do it. I owe it to my daughter," said Murray."

Sloppy work in the case of the Walker St house, Renner! I also fail to understand why he is letting JG continue with his rude behavior and namecalling, which only serves to drive people away from the blog. JG certainly hasn´t done Renner´s reputation any good.

Maura's Disappeared episode was on again the other day. Seeing it again, I got the very strong impression that the only friend or family member being completely honest during the interviews was Billy's mom. It was just lots of little things: hesitations, looking away from the camera, a certain defensiveness. I am probably way off base here and it could just be nerves/ uncomfortableness with being on camera, but did anyone else get that impression?

In other news, what *is* Mr. Green up to? He seems to be setting up a little secret club. Is anyone on his special list and inline for one of these 'invites'?

Orko Kringer wrote:

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He was staying at a fairly nice hotel (complete with kitchen etc..)
And he was there for quite a while.
This is a line from an old article done by Newscenter 5 wherever that is.
"Every other weekend for nine months Fred Murray has made the trip from Connecticut to a New Hampshire motel that has become the home base in his search for his missing daughter.
"No one else is looking and the case would just die and be forgotten. I've got to do it. I owe it to my daughter," said Murray."

quoted material, no link(s), and no idea about the source you are quoting. serious deficits...honors all around.

Orko Kringer wrote:

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He was staying at a fairly nice hotel (complete with kitchen etc..)
And he was there for quite a while.
This is a line from an old article done by Newscenter 5 wherever that is.
"Every other weekend for nine months Fred Murray has made the trip from Connecticut to a New Hampshire motel that has become the home base in his search for his missing daughter.
"No one else is looking and the case would just die and be forgotten. I've got to do it. I owe it to my daughter," said Murray."

Thanks Orko.

Warrior or devil?

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quoted material, no link(s), and no idea about the source you are quoting. serious deficits...honors all around.

Here you go SnowyB ... Hope this helps you sleep better.

Here is the whole article word for word (Not really sure how this changes anything) but here you go.

Part 1

"It's a parent's nightmare come true for a South Shore father.

NewsCenter 5's Liz Brunner reported that Fred Murray's daughter, Maura, has been missing since February. The college student disappeared after making a car trip to rural New Hampshire.

Murray said the police are now treating the case as if it's cold, so he's taken it upon himself to keep hope alive.

Every other weekend for nine months Fred Murray has made the trip from Connecticut to a New Hampshire motel that has become the home base in his search for his missing daughter.

"No one else is looking and the case would just die and be forgotten. I've got to do it. I owe it to my daughter," said Murray.

Maura Murray, 22, an athlete and honors student at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, was last seen the evening of Feb. 9, 2004, after her car crashed in Haverhill, N.H. Neighbors called the police. One offered the young woman help, but she refused. Within minutes she vanished.

"The people who called in to the police said my daughter was sitting one to two minutes before the cops came, which means all the police had to do was go down the street and grab her," said Murray.

Alcohol was found in the car. Murray said if his daughter was drinking, she probably panicked, afraid she'd get in trouble.

"So she starts walking away," said Murray.

Murray believes his daughter became a victim of foul play.

"They know it was a young girl, they don't call ahead. They let her walk into the national forest. They let a young girl in 12-degree temperatures walk away," he said.

With that, Fred Murray's anger grows. He accused police of waiting too long when they were just minutes away from finding his daughter.

In their search for Maura Murray, New Hampshire State police say the immediate area was searched the night of the accident and neighbors were interviewed. But a ground and air search wasn't conducted until a day and a half later. Murray says that was too late.

"They can't answer why they didn't drive two minutes down the road. It took 38 hours to start the investigation," Murray said.

No footprints were ever found in the woods. Search dogs tracked the woman's scent from the scene of the accident to the next corner.

"Which is right in front of the last guy who spoke to my daughter, and also right in front of the house of the last person to have actually seen my daughter," said Murray."

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same one? the full article is archived to project jason from wcvb.
with Renner's incomplete research revealed today, i guess it does matter to keep the record straight whenever possible. so thanks.


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