Maura Murray

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An open and serious question.

What is it, specific to Maura Murray, that makes people believe she was abducted and/or murdered? There must be something. How can so many people look at the same few known elements of the case and come to wildly different conclusions? I am asking for something specific and reasoned, not "the police are incompetent", or the "AG is stupid", those are subjective statements that vary wildly as well. No one can say that had the police done anything differently that she would be living happily ever after with Billy right now. I mean taking only what is known, why murder and nothing else? Honestly I can take most things known and support any theory with it. Suicide, walkaway, succumbed to the elements and murder. Personally, I feel murder is at the bottom of the list of likely scenarios, which is part of the reason I am asking this question. What sets this apart as murder for those that feel that's what happened?

I really would like to get some input on this so I will ask nicely that the trolls leave this alone. This is a serious question and it is absolutely topic specific. I also ask that those that do not believe in a murder theory to refrain from commenting on this initially. A lot to ask I know, and do as you please, no hard feelings, but thought I would toss it out there.

Thanks to all.

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BillNH wrote:

An open and serious question.
What is it, specific to Maura Murray, that makes people believe she was abducted and/or murdered? There must be something. How can so many people look at the same few known elements of the case and come to wildly different conclusions? I am asking for something specific and reasoned, not "the police are incompetent", or the "AG is stupid", those are subjective statements that vary wildly as well. No one can say that had the police done anything differently that she would be living happily ever after with Billy right now. I mean taking only what is known, why murder and nothing else? Honestly I can take most things known and support any theory with it. Suicide, walkaway, succumbed to the elements and murder. Personally, I feel murder is at the bottom of the list of likely scenarios, which is part of the reason I am asking this question. What sets this apart as murder for those that feel that's what happened?
I really would like to get some input on this so I will ask nicely that the trolls leave this alone. This is a serious question and it is absolutely topic specific. I also ask that those that do not believe in a murder theory to refrain from commenting on this initially. A lot to ask I know, and do as you please, no hard feelings, but thought I would toss it out there.
Thanks to all.

i'll temporarily refrain from commenting, at your request. yours is a very good question.

Dude...Sea Cav and I are having a conversation!

BillNH wrote:

An open and serious question.
What is it, specific to Maura Murray, that makes people believe she was abducted and/or murdered? There must be something. How can so many people look at the same few known elements of the case and come to wildly different conclusions? I am asking for something specific and reasoned, not "the police are incompetent", or the "AG is stupid", those are subjective statements that vary wildly as well. No one can say that had the police done anything differently that she would be living happily ever after with Billy right now. I mean taking only what is known, why murder and nothing else? Honestly I can take most things known and support any theory with it. Suicide, walkaway, succumbed to the elements and murder. Personally, I feel murder is at the bottom of the list of likely scenarios, which is part of the reason I am asking this question. What sets this apart as murder for those that feel that's what happened?
I really would like to get some input on this so I will ask nicely that the trolls leave this alone. This is a serious question and it is absolutely topic specific. I also ask that those that do not believe in a murder theory to refrain from commenting on this initially. A lot to ask I know, and do as you please, no hard feelings, but thought I would toss it out there.
Thanks to all.

BillNH wrote:

An open and serious question.
What is it, specific to Maura Murray, that makes people believe she was abducted and/or murdered? There must be something. How can so many people look at the same few known elements of the case and come to wildly different conclusions? I am asking for something specific and reasoned, not "the police are incompetent", or the "AG is stupid", those are subjective statements that vary wildly as well. No one can say that had the police done anything differently that she would be living happily ever after with Billy right now. I mean taking only what is known, why murder and nothing else? Honestly I can take most things known and support any theory with it. Suicide, walkaway, succumbed to the elements and murder. Personally, I feel murder is at the bottom of the list of likely scenarios, which is part of the reason I am asking this question. What sets this apart as murder for those that feel that's what happened?
I really would like to get some input on this so I will ask nicely that the trolls leave this alone. This is a serious question and it is absolutely topic specific. I also ask that those that do not believe in a murder theory to refrain from commenting on this initially. A lot to ask I know, and do as you please, no hard feelings, but thought I would toss it out there.
Thanks to all.

Bill,
I think your question is well posed and an excellent one. I orinally found this forum while researching the CRVK. I have studied serial killers for some time and I'm fairly knowledgeable about most of the cases that have happened on a global scale for the last fifty years or more. My interest is the psychological aspect of what creates these kinds of behaviors. I am fascintated with how some people are able to take the traumas, tragedies or just plain old horrific elements of their lives and use them to become more empathetic human beings, yet some, become monsters. There is a debate amongst those that research this about whether it is innate or a chosen behavior. Nature or nurture. Plenty of evidence suggests that some are born this way and some have been created through a lifetime of abuse, neglect etc.
There are plenty of myths perpetuated concerning those that perpetuate depraved acts upon others. There are so many categories it's impossible to really clarify without doing a pretty intensive study.
There is a very large subset of offenders that have made it deep into adulthood without ever offending or having contact wit LE. Most of these people have very active violent fantasies but have never acted on them. This group, when they do offend, typically do so because they have experienced some sort of traumatic life event that has pushed them over the edge. Everone is absolutely stunned that this could happen ( See the recent kidnapping of Hannah and the heinous murder of her mother and little brother). Studies have been done anonymously on offenders who have harmed people, gotten away with it and never offended again.
There are potential offenders who have never had the opportunity to offend, based on their location, small communities, lack of available victims etc. that, given an opportunity, will take advantage of a situation. Contrary to what is considered common knowledge there are also killers who could and have been classified as serial killers that have stopped killing and never offended again.
I don't believe for a second that the world is full of Rapists, murderers and victimizers, but, they exist and could appear anywhere as far as geography is concerned.
The first recognized serial killer in the united states was from Nh. Herman Mudgett.
I was convinced, based on my research, when I first came here that Maura was abducted. I hope that in stating the following, I haven't disqualified myself in answering to the specifics of your request; I believe the odds are very good that she took off or succumbed to the elements in the woods.

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Trying to get caught up on things here and noticed something about Maura stealing the Stop and Shop card. Well as far as I know that's just BS because I spoke with Stop and Shop in Hanson where Maura opened the card.

More later. It's good to be back.

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That one is no longer live.... so it doughn't fit zee clyteria.

BillNH wrote:

An open and serious question.
What is it, specific to Maura Murray, that makes people believe she was abducted and/or murdered? There must be something. How can so many people look at the same few known elements of the case and come to wildly different conclusions? I am asking for something specific and reasoned, not "the police are incompetent", or the "AG is stupid", those are subjective statements that vary wildly as well. No one can say that had the police done anything differently that she would be living happily ever after with Billy right now. I mean taking only what is known, why murder and nothing else? Honestly I can take most things known and support any theory with it. Suicide, walkaway, succumbed to the elements and murder. Personally, I feel murder is at the bottom of the list of likely scenarios, which is part of the reason I am asking this question. What sets this apart as murder for those that feel that's what happened?
I really would like to get some input on this so I will ask nicely that the trolls leave this alone. This is a serious question and it is absolutely topic specific. I also ask that those that do not believe in a murder theory to refrain from commenting on this initially. A lot to ask I know, and do as you please, no hard feelings, but thought I would toss it out there.
Thanks to all.

excellent question.
I actually composed this long jenkonian response to your question, but by the time I finished it, I had timed out and it didn't post! I'll summarize;
I have studied serial killers and the psychology that creates the perpetuaters of heinous crimes for some time. I've always been fascinated with how some people are able to take lifes tragedies,traumas and abuses and use them to better themselves and mankind, yet, others react violently and strike out at others in the most depraved ways. The nature versus nurture debate. Some are born and some are created this way. Being familiar with literally thousands of case histories on a global scale, I'm aware that there really isn't a stereotype for offenders. There are so many differant sets and subsets. Certainly there are categories that most fall into, but, individually, there are all kinds. I found this forum while researching the CRVK (Who may very well not exist).
My studies have been done informally and I will be the first to acknowledge that I'm certainly not an authority on these forms of abherent behavior, however, based on my familiarity with this particular subject, I was convinced that Maura was abducted by someone who took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself. Many offenders spend large amounts of time literally trolling for just such opportunities. In fact an interesting study done some time ago, found that serial killers who had their own vehicles, typically put four times the national average of miles on their vehicles. It is assumed that these miles were spent while trolling. I'm not suggesting that the world in general is full of miscreants just waiting to pounce, but, they do exist and although some areas seem to have more of them than others, there really are no geographical boundaries.
I hope I'm not invalidating my post based on the criteria you put forth in requesting a response, but, I would like to state this; I now believe based on information provided by long term, informed posters at this forum, that the odds are very good that Maura went into the woods and succumbed to the elements or took off for a new life. I have learned alot here concerning making judgements without having the facts to support those judgements.

BillNH wrote:

An open and serious question.
What is it, specific to Maura Murray, that makes people believe she was abducted and/or murdered? There must be something. How can so many people look at the same few known elements of the case and come to wildly different conclusions? I am asking for something specific and reasoned, not "the police are incompetent", or the "AG is stupid", those are subjective statements that vary wildly as well. No one can say that had the police done anything differently that she would be living happily ever after with Billy right now. I mean taking only what is known, why murder and nothing else? Honestly I can take most things known and support any theory with it. Suicide, walkaway, succumbed to the elements and murder. Personally, I feel murder is at the bottom of the list of likely scenarios, which is part of the reason I am asking this question. What sets this apart as murder for those that feel that's what happened?
I really would like to get some input on this so I will ask nicely that the trolls leave this alone. This is a serious question and it is absolutely topic specific. I also ask that those that do not believe in a murder theory to refrain from commenting on this initially. A lot to ask I know, and do as you please, no hard feelings, but thought I would toss it out there.
Thanks to all.

I will be answering this question soon do to the fact that I have always felt she was murdered.

Whoops,

It did post my original response...Now I know what it's like to be an author of the Bob Jenkins category...Long repetive posts...Please, if your going to throw tomatoes, make them hothouse or beefstaeks..Need them for my ham sandwiches this week.. ; )

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Bob wrote:

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What about Bob?

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Last betowe enta tain mint. For uh resuchuz.

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Whoops,
It did post my original response...Now I know what it's like to be an author of the Bob Jenkins category...Long repetive posts...Please, if your going to throw tomatoes, make them hothouse or beefstaeks..Need them for my ham sandwiches this week.. ; )

No tomatoes today.

I was so bored yesterday having no forums to shpam.

Everyone is too nice now.
Oh the ennui.