Maura Murray

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Ridiculous wrote:

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Bill,
I think your question is well posed and an excellent one. I orinally found this forum while researching the CRVK. I have studied serial killers for some time and I'm fairly knowledgeable about most of the cases that have happened on a global scale for the last fifty years or more. My interest is the psychological aspect of what creates these kinds of behaviors. I am fascintated with how some people are able to take the traumas, tragedies or just plain old horrific elements of their lives and use them to become more empathetic human beings, yet some, become monsters. There is a debate amongst those that research this about whether it is innate or a chosen behavior. Nature or nurture. Plenty of evidence suggests that some are born this way and some have been created through a lifetime of abuse, neglect etc.
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I was convinced, based on my research, when I first came here that Maura was abducted. I hope that in stating the following, I haven't disqualified myself in answering to the specifics of your request; I believe the odds are very good that she took off or succumbed to the elements in the woods.

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SnowyB wrote:

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your interest and depth of knowledge is greater than mine. at best, if there were indicators that she was abducted (and there seemingly are not), then a profiler could narrow the field.
the nugget of interest to me was, and is, that someone could "disappear" in such a short window of time; at least that's how the original news reports made it seem.
when other pieces of information are inserted by way of speculation and are combined with attempts to verify details and facts, then the picture is broadened and opens up to any number of probable or improbable scenarios. that is a reasonable approach.
i cannot commit to any scenario because there are few verified facts that are public knowledge about MM's personal information such as her social relationships and details about the last weeks and days prior to her disappearance are actively hidden.
that said, the core group pushing The All American Girl theme is on record supporting abduction to this very day. known players pinpoint any and all residents around the rural NH road where her car was found.
to answer BillNH, then, the force behind the abduction theory was and is pushed forward by MM's family and "loyal" representatives.
they persist in targeting NH residents in and around the presumed physical area of her disappearance, and disregard the motivation for her running away from her family, her education and her social life. and run, she did. to where? to whom? with whom? and why?

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SnowyB wrote:

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your interest and depth of knowledge is greater than mine. at best, if there were indicators that she was abducted (and there seemingly are not), then a profiler could narrow the field.
the nugget of interest to me was, and is, that someone could "disappear" in such a short window of time; at least that's how the original news reports made it seem.
when other pieces of information are inserted by way of speculation and are combined with attempts to verify details and facts, then the picture is broadened and opens up to any number of probable or improbable scenarios. that is a reasonable approach.
i cannot commit to any scenario because there are few verified facts that are public knowledge about MM's personal information such as her social relationships and details about the last weeks and days prior to her disappearance are actively hidden.
that said, the core group pushing The All American Girl theme is on record supporting abduction to this very day. known players pinpoint any and all residents around the rural NH road where her car was found.
to answer BillNH, then, the force behind the abduction theory was and is pushed forward by MM's family and "loyal" representatives.
they persist in targeting NH residents in and around the presumed physical area of her disappearance, and disregard the motivation for her running away from her family, her education and her social life. and run, she did. to where? to whom? with whom? and why?

BillNH wrote:

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I hope some of that core group can chime in here. But there are others who are not part of the core who, like Redic initially, believe in the murder/abduction scenario as well. I hope when they do speak up, it is something of substance. The fact that MM's case is on the NHCCU and LE has put a lot of hours in on this case are not compelling evidence of murder, for me. Please keep in mind, future posters, that what is out there for information now does not convince me, so what convinced you?

BillNH wrote:

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I hope some of that core group can chime in here. But there are others who are not part of the core who, like Redic initially, believe in the murder/abduction scenario as well. I hope when they do speak up, it is something of substance. The fact that MM's case is on the NHCCU and LE has put a lot of hours in on this case are not compelling evidence of murder, for me. Please keep in mind, future posters, that what is out there for information now does not convince me, so what convinced you?

BillNH wrote:

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I hope some of that core group can chime in here. But there are others who are not part of the core who, like Redic initially, believe in the murder/abduction scenario as well. I hope when they do speak up, it is something of substance. The fact that MM's case is on the NHCCU and LE has put a lot of hours in on this case are not compelling evidence of murder, for me. Please keep in mind, future posters, that what is out there for information now does not convince me, so what convinced you?

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Bill, I think the dogs losing Mauras scent just down the road lead some to believe that she was abducted although many here know the scent trail results are sketchy at best. Combine that with the process of elimination on the other potential theories. Suicide-she left signs that she was planning to return, family and friends saying no way,..... Succumbing to the elements-no body being found after 9 years. Running away-hurting her family all these years, missing her mothers funeral,..... This is just my opinion and I'm not saying that I agree with any of this but I can see the abduction theorists believing most of this. Personally I think she was abducted but only because imo the odds favor this but with the lack of information I continue to be open to all theories.

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I think the All American Girl image the family pushed so very hard for has done this case a lot of damage right from the get go. It lead people to believe MM was a "good girl" kind of person with no reason to be discontent with her life, and her disappearance therefor was completely out of characther and a total mystery that could not be explained other than by a dirtbag took her. If people had known from the start she had some serious issues in her life and had reason to want out, other options besides murder would have gotten more credibility in public perception. Instead, family did everything they could to steer the public away from anything that would point in other directions than abduction-murder.

hannah_b wrote:

I think the All American Girl image the family pushed so very hard for has done this case a lot of damage right from the get go. It lead people to believe MM was a "good girl" kind of person with no reason to be discontent with her life, and her disappearance therefor was completely out of characther and a total mystery that could not be explained other than by a dirtbag took her. If people had known from the start she had some serious issues in her life and had reason to want out, other options besides murder would have gotten more credibility in public perception. Instead, family did everything they could to steer the public away from anything that would point in other directions than abduction-murder.

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the caveat, to my way of thinking, is that she left under suspicious circumstances following a dramatic episode at work, a car crash, and setting off to NH in winter in an unreliable vehicle.
had she told someone / anyone that she was planning time away, a visit to / with friends, or updated her family, then it would be natural to attribute her disappearance to foul play.
otherwise, as i previously said, questions remain about her relationships that might have prompted her to run from her obligations, her family, her work and her academics. indeed, there was ongoing and unresolved trouble in her life at the time of her disappearance.
this still doesn't mean foul play didn't happen, but it's simplistic to attribute her disappearance to circumstances only at the site of crash in NH, especially when she refused assistance at that location, at least according to the SBD.

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SnowyB wrote:

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your interest and depth of knowledge is greater than mine. at best, if there were indicators that she was abducted (and there seemingly are not), then a profiler could narrow the field.
the nugget of interest to me was, and is, that someone could "disappear" in such a short window of time; at least that's how the original news reports made it seem.
when other pieces of information are inserted by way of speculation and are combined with attempts to verify details and facts, then the picture is broadened and opens up to any number of probable or improbable scenarios. that is a reasonable approach.
i cannot commit to any scenario because there are few verified facts that are public knowledge about MM's personal information such as her social relationships and details about the last weeks and days prior to her disappearance are actively hidden.
that said, the core group pushing The All American Girl theme is on record supporting abduction to this very day. known players pinpoint any and all residents around the rural NH road where her car was found.
to answer BillNH, then, the force behind the abduction theory was and is pushed forward by MM's family and "loyal" representatives.
they persist in targeting NH residents in and around the presumed physical area of her disappearance, and disregard the motivation for her running away from her family, her education and her social life. and run, she did. to where? to whom? with whom? and why?

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SnowyB wrote:

does anyone have a descriptive word for this mentality? i'm at a loss. discuss?
**I just watched the show about Maura and I feel for the father, Im so sorry. I do wish there could be a ariel birds eye view of the area and if we were allowed, look in each house in the area. Also it dosent seem that they investigated the bus driver very much? He was afterall the last one to see her. When it comes to missing persons the law should be over ruled and be able to go into peoples houses. Very sorry for your missing daughter, praying for her safe return.**- Adam August 12, 2013