Maura Murray

Jack Vert wrote:

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It's a real shame. I have gotten to the point where I feel that I need help thinking through some points but there is nothing to contrive from this forum since maybe 2011. In essence I feel as if the sins of the few are harming the interest and good intentions of the many.

If you have legitimate questions I'd ask. There are many here with an good understanding of what is known, which is not a great deal. If you wish to hear wild ramblings about what is speculated, there are some of those people here also. Choose wisely.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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As usual. You have everything bass ackwards. You are making the accusations. You provide the proof. All the people that have been here all these years knows what happened. Those that have researched what has happened in the past, know what happened. You are the new kid (i.e. moron) on the block trying to re-write history. The burden of proof is on you. But as usual, you want everyone else to make your proofs. You think because you say it, it is the truth, which is no surprise, this is how you have operated since you started here. You still maintain your status as an absolutely laughable buffoon. Here and on other sites.
Bill

You can't be serious here can you? Even for you this post is unbelievably hypocritical.

First of all I didn't make the claim, billNH did. He said that 'the disappeared' gets nicer treatment than the locals, I asked him to back it up with examples. You REALLY can't understand that? I suspect that you can but you'd rather talk shit cuz you're a douchebag.
So actually the burden of proof is on billNH Bc he's the one who made that claim, not I.

And I did offer up proof, all anybody needs to do is read pretty much any page in the last year, 9 times out of 10 there's either things being said about Maura that aren't nice or there's good things being said about the locals or there's someone crying about the locals being treated bad.
And did you really say that I can't say something and make it true Bc I said it?! Really?! That's ALL you freekin do! You're constantly saying shit that you expect to be taken as the truth just Bc you're saying it, you're such a hypocrite it's rodiculos. Funniest part is the fact that I DID offer up proof, the last year of this thread, anybody can go read it.

I ain't trying to 'rewrite' history dude, that's what YOU and your band of misfit trolls have been trying to do for the past 2 years now, anybody can see that, well except you, wowzer, etc.

And I ain't some new kid either, I was posting on the original mm.com forum in '04, right from the start.
I'm trying to stop you idiot's rewriting of history, and when we get the original forum up everyone will get to see it for themselves, you guys are liars.

Bill, Im sorry to break it to you but there's about 5 people who post on this forum every day that pretend they don't think you're an idiot Bc you're part of their group of trolls. To the average person who is neutral & objective you're a total douchebag idiot who thinks you're right all the time but very rarely is. In comparison to the general population you're intelligent bill, but that don't mean you're not a total idiot too. There's a difference between intelligence & wisdom, or street smarts, in which you are sorely sorely lacking in.
Your whole post right here is epic douchebaggery at its finest, it's unbelievable anyone ACTUALLY thinks like that...my god man

If you were there from the start in the first forum I've got a simple yes or no question for you.
Do you remember when the bashing got so bad that the one that started the forum said that she liked her house and didn't want to lose it.
Yes or no?

Yes wowzer the forums will be posted in their entirety, NOTHING will be left out, there would be no point to it if there were pages missing.

Honestly we need the pages with the Lysol comment to show how full of shit you guys really are.
Nobody is trying to say that shack never made the Lysol comment, but what you've said about it is complete and total bullshit.
The comment was basically something stinks up there, place needs a giant can of Lysol, or something to that effect.
You people literally talk about that comment like she was saying the whole area needs to be poison gassed!! She freekin lives up there half the time, what are you guys crazy?

She wasn't even talking about the MM case but rather another Case where some group of kids killed another kid. And the whole thing did stink.

You guys understand the difference between literally & figuratively right? She wasn't talking about literally getting a giant can of Lysol and spraying the entire area with it, she wasn't talking about dropping poison gas either.
It was a stupid, harmless comment. Something stinks so the area needs to be lysoled, meaning the kids who committed the crime need to be put away.
My god it's like you people pretend to be the biggest morons ever sometimes, I was there for that comment, it wasn't shit, you guys know it as well as I do, you just CHOOSE to PRETEND not to know it, that's what's so f'd up about your whole deal.

Nobody is trying to say that there wasn't bad things said about the locals from time to time, I'm sure when the old forum gets posted you'll be able to pick out a few comments that were bad.
What I'm saying, and what the TRUTH is, is that it wasn't that bad, it was absolutely nothing even close to what you describe it to have been. wowzer has the Lysol, the rat's nest & a couple other comments she uses as her examples, only problem is that those are pretty much it for bad shit said.
It's just like I'm saying, there was some bad shit said from time to time, but it was not a forum dedicated to bashing the locals, far from it. When the forum gets posted people are going to have to DIG through it to find bad comments, b overall the locals were treated with respect & every time a stupid comment was made there was someone there to counteract it with a good comment about the locals.
Overall the locals are obviously good people & everybody knows that, there's obviously a few bad apples, like everywhere, and that's who people were talking about whenever something bad was said.
It was EXTREMELY rare, if ever, that anyone ever said anything bad about ALL the locals, anyone who says that people were talking shit all the time about all the locals is lying, plain & simple

Jenkins wrote:

Yes wowzer the forums will be posted in their entirety, NOTHING will be left out, there would be no point to it if there were pages missing.
Honestly we need the pages with the Lysol comment to show how full of shit you guys really are.
Nobody is trying to say that shack never made the Lysol comment, but what you've said about it is complete and total bullshit.
The comment was basically something stinks up there, place needs a giant can of Lysol, or something to that effect.
You people literally talk about that comment like she was saying the whole area needs to be poison gassed!! She freekin lives up there half the time, what are you guys crazy?
She wasn't even talking about the MM case but rather another Case where some group of kids killed another kid. And the whole thing did stink.
You guys understand the difference between literally & figuratively right? She wasn't talking about literally getting a giant can of Lysol and spraying the entire area with it, she wasn't talking about dropping poison gas either.
It was a stupid, harmless comment. Something stinks so the area needs to be lysoled, meaning the kids who committed the crime need to be put away.
My god it's like you people pretend to be the biggest morons ever sometimes, I was there for that comment, it wasn't shit, you guys know it as well as I do, you just CHOOSE to PRETEND not to know it, that's what's so f'd up about your whole deal.
Nobody is trying to say that there wasn't bad things said about the locals from time to time, I'm sure when the old forum gets posted you'll be able to pick out a few comments that were bad.
What I'm saying, and what the TRUTH is, is that it wasn't that bad, it was absolutely nothing even close to what you describe it to have been. wowzer has the Lysol, the rat's nest & a couple other comments she uses as her examples, only problem is that those are pretty much it for bad shit said.
It's just like I'm saying, there was some bad shit said from time to time, but it was not a forum dedicated to bashing the locals, far from it. When the forum gets posted people are going to have to DIG through it to find bad comments, b overall the locals were treated with respect & every time a stupid comment was made there was someone there to counteract it with a good comment about the locals.
Overall the locals are obviously good people & everybody knows that, there's obviously a few bad apples, like everywhere, and that's who people were talking about whenever something bad was said.
It was EXTREMELY rare, if ever, that anyone ever said anything bad about ALL the locals, anyone who says that people were talking shit all the time about all the locals is lying, plain & simple

Oh. Now I get it. All the things we said happened, did happen. But, they were not as bad apparently as we say. Anyone notice how Jenkins target always shifts. Constantly. First, these things were never said. Now, they were said but it was not nearly as bad as we reported. As is usual with him, trying to get him to stick to one story is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

Bill

Cant completely overlook the locals.Should someone like this be "left alone"?Heres an example of ONE local living within 5 miles of the WB...

"TFC Robert Bruno's report of the July 24, 1997 New Hampshire State Police executed Arrest Warrant and Search Warrant of the residence of XXXX emphasizes that by being a convicted felon in the State of Georgia,XXXX wasn't allowed to possess firearms. Further, Bruno "...attempted to explain to XXXX that her husband was not allowed to possess guns in New Hampshire or Massachusetts as a convicted Felon."
Firearms were seized from the XXX residence ...a shotgun located on top of kitchen cupboard. A revolver was located in this same cupboard. "The revolver was in fact loaded" A San Marco Black Power was located on the bed in the master bedroom. A Glock 9mm was located on the top of a bureau in the master bedroom, and according to TFC Beausoleil, had a full magazine in it but no round in the chamber.

The Rugar Mini 14 was on the box spring mattress in the master bedroom, and a rifle was located in the closet of the master bedroom."

Jenkins wrote:

Yes wowzer the forums will be posted in their entirety, NOTHING will be left out, there would be no point to it if there were pages missing.
Honestly we need the pages with the Lysol comment to show how full of shit you guys really are.
Nobody is trying to say that shack never made the Lysol comment, but what you've said about it is complete and total bullshit.
The comment was basically something stinks up there, place needs a giant can of Lysol, or something to that effect.
You people literally talk about that comment like she was saying the whole area needs to be poison gassed!! She freekin lives up there half the time, what are you guys crazy?
She wasn't even talking about the MM case but rather another Case where some group of kids killed another kid. And the whole thing did stink.
You guys understand the difference between literally & figuratively right? She wasn't talking about literally getting a giant can of Lysol and spraying the entire area with it, she wasn't talking about dropping poison gas either.
It was a stupid, harmless comment. Something stinks so the area needs to be lysoled, meaning the kids who committed the crime need to be put away.
My god it's like you people pretend to be the biggest morons ever sometimes, I was there for that comment, it wasn't shit, you guys know it as well as I do, you just CHOOSE to PRETEND not to know it, that's what's so f'd up about your whole deal.
Nobody is trying to say that there wasn't bad things said about the locals from time to time, I'm sure when the old forum gets posted you'll be able to pick out a few comments that were bad.
What I'm saying, and what the TRUTH is, is that it wasn't that bad, it was absolutely nothing even close to what you describe it to have been. wowzer has the Lysol, the rat's nest & a couple other comments she uses as her examples, only problem is that those are pretty much it for bad shit said.
It's just like I'm saying, there was some bad shit said from time to time, but it was not a forum dedicated to bashing the locals, far from it. When the forum gets posted people are going to have to DIG through it to find bad comments, b overall the locals were treated with respect & every time a stupid comment was made there was someone there to counteract it with a good comment about the locals.
Overall the locals are obviously good people & everybody knows that, there's obviously a few bad apples, like everywhere, and that's who people were talking about whenever something bad was said.
It was EXTREMELY rare, if ever, that anyone ever said anything bad about ALL the locals, anyone who says that people were talking shit all the time about all the locals is lying, plain & simple

You wrote a book around my question but still didn't answer it. Jeesh all I wanted was a simple yes or no. Not a freakin book.
Please read my post 40855 and see if you can answer with a simple yes or no.
I'll check back in the morning for your answer. Nite

***Jenkins wrote: Yes wowzer the forums will be posted in their entirety, NOTHING will be left out, there would be no point to it if there were pages missing.***

Wonderful! I can't wait to read it especially in it's entirety.

There are scumbags in most locations on earth.Would I spend years defending the scumbags local to me?Not for a second.
Coverup?New forum readers think it over.

FindMaura wrote:

There are scumbags in most locations on earth.Would I spend years defending the scumbags local to me?Not for a second.
Coverup?New forum readers think it over.

It is posts like this that really annoy me. People continually mischaracterize the Haverhill area as some seedy crime ridden place in the woods. The first 10 pages of this thread Haverhill was called a 'Bernuda Triangle' of missing people and then the entire group of LE that responded to MM's accident were accused of sexually molesting Maura and then killing her to 'cover it up'. It's those kinds of statements that I try very hard to counter with reality. Jenkins, these are the things that I'm talking about, not just the remarks about Lysol etc. The bashing of the area is constant. Whenever I or others try to temper these mischaracterizations then it's considered a coverup or we are crazy or a wrong or disalusioned. There is nothing sinister in my trying to paint the area more like it truly is (beautiful, peaceful and safe) when others try to paint it as a place no one wants to be or to be fearful of. New forum readers take note, after 9+ years there has been no public aknowlwdgement that a crime was committed in the disappearance of MM.

Jenky, what kids committed what crime? As far as I know there has never been confirmed MM was the victim of a crime.

so, the old arguments, never resolved, are the only substance for conversation.
there is NOTHING new in recent years about MM's disappearance.
who once said?.... pointless endeavor.

Bobby has actually become more vulgar and, surprisingly even dumber than before. He is at the very top of my list as one of the densest people I've ever observed. His skull is absolutel inpenetrable.
I'm not sure why he even comes to this blog. He has zero social skills and the vocabulary of a fourth grader,except of course, most fourth graders have more than three adjectives in their arsenol. Speaking of narcisists, Bob can't even process the fact that there could be another view point asaide from his. The way he experiences the world, in his mind, is the way everyone experiences the world. It just isn't possible that there could be any other viwpoint.
His parents, although well meaning, did him a horrible injustice in raising him to believe that he was special and bright. Had they looked for his actual talents, they could have encouraged these aspects of Bobby's make up, but, alas, I'm not sure being a loud mouth moron is actually a talent.
Bob one of those guys that is just not willing to invest the actual time and effort it takes to become good at something. Having been raised to believe he is special and brilliant, but actually lacking in those areas, he is constantly doing belly flops off of the board at the swim meets and dog paddling to the ladder amidst the wild cheering of his parents. When he finally was fully potty trained at sixteen, they bought him a car and gushed and gushed about how precoscious he was.
Bob is convinced that he is intelligent. When he gets called out on anything, he insists that everyone else prove him wrong. When he is obliged, he swears, calls people names and then insists that he never stated anything as an actual fact.
There is hardly anything more entertaining than reading Bob's lectures here directed at actual intelligent people. The long repetitive posts are the best and most telling. I'm not saying this just for effect; Our Bobby has one of the most limited vocabuaries I have ever seen in a supposed college graduate! Take that with his very limited perspective and you can't help but laugh your ass off at his lectures. It's like watching a puppy nipping at the heels of an elephant!

SnowyB wrote:

so, the old arguments, never resolved, are the only substance for conversation.
there is NOTHING new in recent years about MM's disappearance.
who once said?.... pointless endeavor.

Yeah, that.

Jenkins wrote:

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Contrast that with 'the disappeared', she is generally portrayed as a drunk, a theif, a liar, as bulimic so she must be crazy too, and she slept around. You might not use those exact words but that's the general idea. Way more shit is talked about Maura then the locals.

Well we know for a fact she was a thief of at least one credit card number. We know for a fact she was a liar, she lied about her absence from school. And we know that she was a drunk, her own family backed that up with many statements supporting her love of booze, including her father. I will give you Bulemic, that was just pure speculation and unsupported. Crazy.... Well I see many people refer to her a actions as crazy but I don't recall anyone referring to her as clinically crazy so I'd say that don't count.

So I wouldn't consider describing someone with a name that they have been proven to be as not nice. It's just fact. So shame on those that have called her Bulemic. That's not nice.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

If you were there from the start in the first forum I've got a simple yes or no question for you.
Do you remember when the bashing got so bad that the one that started the forum said that she liked her house and didn't want to lose it.
Yes or no?

Jenkins I really don't know how to make this question any simpler. Maybe your eyesight isn't that good so I'll try to make the letters bigger for you. Once again....

DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE BASHING GOT SO BAD THAT THE ONE THAT STARTED THE FORUM SAID THAT SHE LIKED HER HOUSE AND DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE IT?
YES OR NO

Ridiculous wrote:

Bobby has actually become more vulgar and, surprisingly even dumber than before. He is at the very top of my list as one of the densest people I've ever observed. His skull is absolutel inpenetrable.
I'm not sure why he even comes to this blog. He has zero social skills and the vocabulary of a fourth grader,except of course, most fourth graders have more than three adjectives in their arsenol. Speaking of narcisists, Bob can't even process the fact that there could be another view point asaide from his. The way he experiences the world, in his mind, is the way everyone experiences the world. It just isn't possible that there could be any other viwpoint.
His parents, although well meaning, did him a horrible injustice in raising him to believe that he was special and bright. Had they looked for his actual talents, they could have encouraged these aspects of Bobby's make up, but, alas, I'm not sure being a loud mouth moron is actually a talent.
Bob one of those guys that is just not willing to invest the actual time and effort it takes to become good at something. Having been raised to believe he is special and brilliant, but actually lacking in those areas, he is constantly doing belly flops off of the board at the swim meets and dog paddling to the ladder amidst the wild cheering of his parents. When he finally was fully potty trained at sixteen, they bought him a car and gushed and gushed about how precoscious he was.
Bob is convinced that he is intelligent. When he gets called out on anything, he insists that everyone else prove him wrong. When he is obliged, he swears, calls people names and then insists that he never stated anything as an actual fact.
There is hardly anything more entertaining than reading Bob's lectures here directed at actual intelligent people. The long repetitive posts are the best and most telling. I'm not saying this just for effect; Our Bobby has one of the most limited vocabuaries I have ever seen in a supposed college graduate! Take that with his very limited perspective and you can't help but laugh your ass off at his lectures. It's like watching a puppy nipping at the heels of an elephant!

THIS...... Is perhaps the absolute best descriptions of booby jenky I have read thus far.

Bravo Sir, Bravo

we engage him by our direct and indirect replies, myself included. we take his bait, we pretend we can reason with someone deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
we are, individually and collectively, smarter than this.
the challenge is to disengage, if you can, when you're ready.
Jenky, you're awesome; keep on believing in yourself; there's no place to go but up.

SnowyB wrote:

we engage him by our direct and indirect replies, myself included. we take his bait, we pretend we can reason with someone deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
we are, individually and collectively, smarter than this.
the challenge is to disengage, if you can, when you're ready.
Jenky, you're awesome; keep on believing in yourself; there's no place to go but up.

I would never expect to have a sensible or intelligent conversation with Jenkins. I just don't believe it's possible.
But he's quite entertaining especially when he gets mad and his head starts to spin.
Just like I don't expect an answer to the question I asked him. One answer would show that he is not telling the truth and the other answer umm...would show that he is not telling the truth.
Better start stocking up on popcorn and hot chocolate Snowy. From what I hear it's going to be a long and cold winter.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I would never expect to have a sensible or intelligent conversation with Jenkins. I just don't believe it's possible.
But he's quite entertaining especially when he gets mad and his head starts to spin.
Just like I don't expect an answer to the question I asked him. One answer would show that he is not telling the truth and the other answer umm...would show that he is not telling the truth.
Better start stocking up on popcorn and hot chocolate Snowy. From what I hear it's going to be a long and cold winter.

i am entertained and humbled to be in the presence of such awesomeness.