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Ridiculous wrote:

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I did not even see the signal go up! Normally I'm pretty attuned to these things, but, I've been fascinated watching Sammy prep his teacup yorkie for a dog fight. Chasing wales off of the shores of Cape Cod in a wooden dinghy and helping James with working theories for his book even at this late date in the process. Now we've got this damned opera to organize and If I don't leave now, I'll be late for band practice...!

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Ridiculous wrote:

That sneaky Bastard sbd. Surely he realized that the little one person fender bender that happened outside his door was gonna turn into this situation. How could he not have seen it? He should have done what any responsible person would have done, called the police...What's that? he did? Hmmm sounds pretty devious....Hey Snowy, do you perchance know where Greens crew stashed the old horse carcass? Seems Sammy didn't have a chance to examine it and would like it dragged out so he can have a few swings at it..

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Maruchan wrote:

I've been sitting on this information for some time, but here are some tidbits I thought were interesting regarding the nasty emails about Maura Murray that were referenced in two separate entries on Renner's blog. They may or may not be connected, just thought others might find them interesting.
From Renner's blog:
"Monday, June 3, 2013
More disturbing details about those emails...
A couple weeks ago, I received a very disturbing email from "clemens21@aol.com," which referred to Maura as a "white trash ho." The email was angrier than most and referenced torture of women. I forwarded the email to police and asked for help from a reader to track it back to the source. The best we were able to do was trace it to Northern New Jersey.
I've since received two more emails from him.
The emails are bizarre. In them he claims his name is Doug Olive. He also references Heart of Darkness and T.S. Eliot's The Waste Lands.
There's also this:
Time to edu-ma-cate all of those sycophants (including the oh so analytically-eloquent Mr. Green Jeans, JD-Harvard, Class of 1996)."
In my research, I discovered a person that was very involved in the old Maura Murray forums for a number of years appears to have written a poem which has two words in the title, and one of them is "Sycophant."
That same person has quoted a section of T. S. Eliot's "The Waste Lands" in another post he has made.
That same person appears to live in Kentucky.
Then there is this regular Topix poster from Stanford, KY, who also uses the word "edumacate."
I just think these are interesting coincidences and wanted to share.
:)

Maruchan wrote:

I've been sitting on this information for some time, but here are some tidbits I thought were interesting regarding the nasty emails about Maura Murray that were referenced in two separate entries on Renner's blog. They may or may not be connected, just thought others might find them interesting.
From Renner's blog:
"Monday, June 3, 2013
More disturbing details about those emails...
A couple weeks ago, I received a very disturbing email from "clemens21@aol.com," which referred to Maura as a "white trash ho." The email was angrier than most and referenced torture of women. I forwarded the email to police and asked for help from a reader to track it back to the source. The best we were able to do was trace it to Northern New Jersey.
I've since received two more emails from him.
The emails are bizarre. In them he claims his name is Doug Olive. He also references Heart of Darkness and T.S. Eliot's The Waste Lands.
There's also this:
Time to edu-ma-cate all of those sycophants (including the oh so analytically-eloquent Mr. Green Jeans, JD-Harvard, Class of 1996)."
In my research, I discovered a person that was very involved in the old Maura Murray forums for a number of years appears to have written a poem which has two words in the title, and one of them is "Sycophant."
That same person has quoted a section of T. S. Eliot's "The Waste Lands" in another post he has made.
That same person appears to live in Kentucky.
Then there is this regular Topix poster from Stanford, KY, who also uses the word "edumacate."
I just think these are interesting coincidences and wanted to share.
:)

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Ridiculous wrote:

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Whaitiff,
Clearly a thoughtful, respectful and bright person. I am happy to see you post here.
My thoughts on your theories; It just seems like all four points are based on subjective information. Forciers sighting. Statements made by individuals interpreted by other individuals and assumptions, though backed by some history and study of human behavior, about how a certain individual may react to a certain situation. There's no accounting for human behavior, and although much has been gleaned in the world of psychology, profiling, and behavioral profiling, at the end of the day people do the damndest things.
It seems that we always end up back at the windmill because there just doesn't seem to be enough to hang a hat on. As to your theory on abduction; although stranger abductions do happen, and on a global scale,quite often,the majority of abductions and murders are perpetrated by individuals with some sort of relationship to the victim. Even if this relationship is third party or as simple as having interacted with them only occassionaly. With that in mind, I did originally believe that this was a case of stranger abduction as well. Like some I felt that the odds were good that she jumped into the wrong car to hightail it out of a DWI and in all honesty, I still believe this could have been the case,but, after spending time here and doing some research, It is actually about third on my list now.

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Maruchan wrote:

I've been sitting on this information for some time, but here are some tidbits I thought were interesting regarding the nasty emails about Maura Murray that were referenced in two separate entries on Renner's blog. They may or may not be connected, just thought others might find them interesting.
From Renner's blog:
"Monday, June 3, 2013
More disturbing details about those emails...
A couple weeks ago, I received a very disturbing email from "clemens21@aol.com," which referred to Maura as a "white trash ho." The email was angrier than most and referenced torture of women. I forwarded the email to police and asked for help from a reader to track it back to the source. The best we were able to do was trace it to Northern New Jersey.
I've since received two more emails from him.
The emails are bizarre. In them he claims his name is Doug Olive. He also references Heart of Darkness and T.S. Eliot's The Waste Lands.
There's also this:
Time to edu-ma-cate all of those sycophants (including the oh so analytically-eloquent Mr. Green Jeans, JD-Harvard, Class of 1996)."
In my research, I discovered a person that was very involved in the old Maura Murray forums for a number of years appears to have written a poem which has two words in the title, and one of them is "Sycophant."
That same person has quoted a section of T. S. Eliot's "The Waste Lands" in another post he has made.
That same person appears to live in Kentucky.
Then there is this regular Topix poster from Stanford, KY, who also uses the word "edumacate."
I just think these are interesting coincidences and wanted to share.
:)

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whatif wrote:

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thanks, ridiculous. i can't disagree with anything you've written. and what you've stated about the subjective nature of interpreting someone's behavior (meaning maura's) verses how that someone actually behaves in a given situation is the moment at which all theories in this case break down. since none of us is actually maura – as far as any of us know, that is – we will only be left to our own interpretations of her behavior, as well as what little is actually known, in our efforts to understand what happened that night.
as an adendum to the abduction theory (which your comments have sparked for me), i do find it a plausible extension of the abduction theory that she could've been headed to the area to meet another individual for some unknown purpose. however, i don't find it very possible that this would have been someone to abduct her given the lack of cell service and the small window of time they would have had to meet and whisk her away from the scene. i also place very little stock in the tandem driver theory as that person would have been right there along with her or at her side within a couple of minutes and would have been witnessed by any number of those who saw events unfold that evening.
and lastly, this is a small thought that has lodged itself in the back of my mind like a splinter that won't go away. perhaps i am much more nosy than i like to think i am, but i have a hard time thinking that at the moment the witnesses saw events unfolding that night until the moment haverhill police show up on scene, that there was a mystical window of one to two minutes before police arrived in which all of the witnesses suddenly looked away from what was happening to do something else only to look back again moments later and see law enforcement on the scene. again, as ridiculous has rightly indicated, there is no accounting for how individuals will actually behave in any given moment to a set of circumstances, but i know myself well enough to know that i would have been glued to the events unfolding outside my windows that night. i don't say this to cast suspicion on any of the witnesses living in the area, but to say that i think there may be more to what they all saw that night than has been reported. in fact, one report mentions a witness who saw maura walking away from her vehicle before she disappeared. was it a reporter's dramatic embellishment? maybe. but it also might be a reason law enforcement chose to only search west that night. things that make you go hmmm.

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Maruchan wrote:

I've been sitting on this information for some time, but here are some tidbits I thought were interesting regarding the nasty emails about Maura Murray that were referenced in two separate entries on Renner's blog. They may or may not be connected, just thought others might find them interesting.
From Renner's blog:
"Monday, June 3, 2013
More disturbing details about those emails...
A couple weeks ago, I received a very disturbing email from "clemens21@aol.com," which referred to Maura as a "white trash ho." The email was angrier than most and referenced torture of women. I forwarded the email to police and asked for help from a reader to track it back to the source. The best we were able to do was trace it to Northern New Jersey.
I've since received two more emails from him.
The emails are bizarre. In them he claims his name is Doug Olive. He also references Heart of Darkness and T.S. Eliot's The Waste Lands.
There's also this:
Time to edu-ma-cate all of those sycophants (including the oh so analytically-eloquent Mr. Green Jeans, JD-Harvard, Class of 1996)."
In my research, I discovered a person that was very involved in the old Maura Murray forums for a number of years appears to have written a poem which has two words in the title, and one of them is "Sycophant." You fucking stupid
That same person has quoted a section of T. S. Eliot's "The Waste Lands" in another post he has made.
That same person appears to live in Kentucky.
Then there is this regular Topix poster from Stanford, KY, who also uses the word "edumacate."
I just think these are interesting coincidences and wanted to share.
:)

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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It's quite common to see a car off the road in the winter up here.
It was no big deal to see a car not make that curve and slide off the road or into the snow bank.
Once the sbd stopped to offer help there was no need for anyone to keep watching. Help was there if it was wanted. JMO

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Maruchan wrote:

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I should have spent more time on this post. The choice - to hurt my own credibility or let something false stand. I'm going with hurting my own credibility.
I researched this stuff when it first appeared on Renner's site and should have gone back over it before I posted.
The quote by T. S. Eliot was not from "The Waste Land," it was from the poem "Little Gidding" by Eliot.
I still think these coincidences are interesting.
Also, I left out that I found several instances of this person I am referring to as using "oh so" as part of descriptive phrases in the same way it was used for Green, and this also led me to thinking there may be some connection.
As I said, there may be a connection or there may not be one, but when I saw "edumacate" used today, it made some of them a bit more interesting to me.

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Turtle Man wrote:

Wow. I've never posted on any forum besides this one and Renner's. edumacated I is. You guys are straight paranoid and slanderous. I really feel bad for a person who claims to be linking people by words and phrases and claiming to be sitting on info like you're a detective. Pathetic.

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Turtle Man wrote:

Wow. I've never posted on any forum besides this one and Renner's. edumacated I is. You guys are straight paranoid and slanderous. I really feel bad for a person who claims to be linking people by words and phrases and claiming to be sitting on info like you're a detective. Pathetic.