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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Bill, those are likely the two idiots. Likely NY and CA. They won't write, they have no skills, nothing intelligent to contribute. Reasonable is not their strong suit. Ones sole contributions is in providing YouTube videos that no one looks at, and of course both excel in throwing peanuts and spamming the forums.
The other "Bill"

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I had similar thoughts. Don't know if this is just someone playing around or what. From the beginning there seemed to be a lack of what I would consider to be just basic knowledge. If it stays like this, I'll probably stop playing.
Bill

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hannah_b wrote:

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I bet those people caliming she wouldn´t have been able to run without a flashlight are city people. I can assure everybody walking or running on a roadside with no street lights after dark perfectly doable. I do it all the time.
I too am amazed at some of the posters at WS. Some have been following the case for years, but seem to still be going through the "SBD did it" or "rogue cop did it" phases. Some have contributed decently to threads on other cases, but something about MM case seems to make their braincells go numb.

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James Renner wrote:

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Interesting theory but then why would Fred explain it away? If he wasn't 100% sure that the rag played no part in her disappearance why would he explain it? I like your theory and I do believe there's a possible answer here.

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whatif wrote:

since we're talking about the rag in the tailpipe again, this is where i'm at on the topic until some new info comes along to challenge my theory.
maura had some kind of open container in one hand when she lost control of her vehicle at the weathered barn curve. the contents of the container – likely the same plastic soda bottle sgt. smith found that night partially emptied in the snow and thrown under the abandoned saturn – probably spilled out on her hand, or hands, and maybe on her coat or face. also inside the vehicle was the box of what wine remained from her dorm party a couple nights previous. maybe this was also the source of alcohol that was mixed in the soda bottle. but it likely wasn't a full new box because, though it opened and spilled in the car, there has never been any indication from reports or photos that the stains were substantial.
after the accident and after mr. atwood leaves maura to return home, she hurries to the trunk where a witness recalls seeing a flurry of activity. if maura has a mixture of soda and wine (or some other kind of alcohol) on her hands and/or elsewhere, she grabs a handful of snow to "wash" it off and grabs the rag to dry her hands. while she's crouched down at the back of the vehicle using snow to clean her hands, she throws the bottle under the car, perhaps in an effort to hide it, and she shoves the rag in the tailpipe in an effort to hide it in case it has any alcoholic residue or smell to it. why would she go to this trouble if the box of wine in the car had spilled during the accident? it was dark and she may not have had the time to notice the wine had burst open and spilled since mr. atwood happened upon her not long after the accident. depending on how intoxicated she might have been, she may have forgotten about the box entirely, or till much later anyway.
as others have debated, and though fred explained why the rag might be in the tailpipe, it is unlikely – based on several anecdotal stories – that the rag could have remained in the tailpipe for any length of time if was put there earlier at some other location. given all the other activity around the vehicle, i also don't buy that it was a rushed and failed attempt at suicide by trying to block the vehicle emissions from exhausting.
along with the emptied and discarded bottle, i find the rag to be an attempt by maura to clean herself up and dissassociate herself from the contents of the bottle by trying to hide the rag in the tailpipe. and then, she departs from the vehicle to further dissassociate herself from the scene.

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BillNH wrote:

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Boone, there is no hostility. I have no issue with anyone raising a question if they are uninformed. Bill and I offered up opinions very nicely even though we disagreed with the opinion. But when a person who acts uninformed then states that they have actually spoken to Fred Murray about the very subject he is acting uninformed about, that's a bit fishy and I said so. It definitely appears that the supposedly uninformed is very informed. It makes me believe they have another agenda and are being deceitful. And of course as soon as it's pointed out, in a very non-confrontational way I must add, they insult the forum. I think I made a good call.

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SnowyB wrote:

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i'm sorry, but you lost me at "maura had some kind of open container in one hand when she lost control of her vehicle at the weathered barn curve."
there is no proof you can apply to the quoted statement.
and now we have her taking a snow bath; reaching.
again, with apologies, i cannot take this discussion seriously.
almost 10 years later, scant evidence, few clues.
if i had to predict, fast forward the next 10 years, i'd say status quo until she reappears.

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whatif wrote:

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there are no proofs to apply to much of what i wrote, which is why i prefaced it by calling it a theory. no one knows or has any proof of much of anything around maura's disappearance. there are many indications that would point to maura having an open container of some kind in the vehicle. if it wasn't in her hand then the other reasonable place it would be is in a drink holder. either way, i'm simply applying an interpretation that i find reasonable to theorize an explanation for some odd circumstances surrounding the presence and transfer of the rag from the trunk to the tailpipe. think of it as a mental exercise.

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whatif wrote:

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there are no proofs to apply to much of what i wrote, which is why i prefaced it by calling it a theory. no one knows or has any proof of much of anything around maura's disappearance. there are many indications that would point to maura having an open container of some kind in the vehicle. if it wasn't in her hand then the other reasonable place it would be is in a drink holder. either way, i'm simply applying an interpretation that i find reasonable to theorize an explanation for some odd circumstances surrounding the presence and transfer of the rag from the trunk to the tailpipe. think of it as a mental exercise.

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SnowyB wrote:

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again, with apologies, i regard the exercise as a pointless endeavor.
the emphasis you make on whether the alcohol was held in her hand, in a cup holder, between her knees while driving, or on the car floor seems pointless and overemphasized.
just my opinion.
the transformation of a clean "rag" found in the tailpipe, however loosely or tightly placed, transformed into a cloth for wiping "blood" or "alcohol" is purely fiction, at least in my opinion.
i have read some wild flights of theory about MM by self-confessed psychics over time, and i'm less convinced than ever that anyone, with the exception of MM's closest family and love interests would have a window to peer into her mind and thoughts. and they're not talking.
perhaps conjuring up imaginings is not my greatest strength.
my conclusions are not intended as a personal assault to your ideas, just an expression of my own.

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SnowyB wrote:

my conclusions are not intended as a personal assault to your ideas, just an expression of my own.

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whatif wrote:

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fair enough.

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whatif wrote:

since we're talking about the rag in the tailpipe again, this is where i'm at on the topic until some new info comes along to challenge my theory.
maura had some kind of open container in one hand when she lost control of her vehicle at the weathered barn curve. the contents of the container – likely the same plastic soda bottle sgt. smith found that night partially emptied in the snow and thrown under the abandoned saturn – probably spilled out on her hand, or hands, and maybe on her coat or face. also inside the vehicle was the box of what wine remained from her dorm party a couple nights previous. maybe this was also the source of alcohol that was mixed in the soda bottle. but it likely wasn't a full new box because, though it opened and spilled in the car, there has never been any indication from reports or photos that the stains were substantial.
after the accident and after mr. atwood leaves maura to return home, she hurries to the trunk where a witness recalls seeing a flurry of activity. if maura has a mixture of soda and wine (or some other kind of alcohol) on her hands and/or elsewhere, she grabs a handful of snow to "wash" it off and grabs the rag to dry her hands. while she's crouched down at the back of the vehicle using snow to clean her hands, she throws the bottle under the car, perhaps in an effort to hide it, and she shoves the rag in the tailpipe in an effort to hide it in case it has any alcoholic residue or smell to it. why would she go to this trouble if the box of wine in the car had spilled during the accident? it was dark and she may not have had the time to notice the wine had burst open and spilled since mr. atwood happened upon her not long after the accident. depending on how intoxicated she might have been, she may have forgotten about the box entirely, or till much later anyway.
as others have debated, and though fred explained why the rag might be in the tailpipe, it is unlikely – based on several anecdotal stories – that the rag could have remained in the tailpipe for any length of time if was put there earlier at some other location. given all the other activity around the vehicle, i also don't buy that it was a rushed and failed attempt at suicide by trying to block the vehicle emissions from exhausting.
along with the emptied and discarded bottle, i find the rag to be an attempt by maura to clean herself up and dissassociate herself from the contents of the bottle by trying to hide the rag in the tailpipe. and then, she departs from the vehicle to further dissassociate herself from the scene.