Maura Murray

Here's something that may be useful to some.
If you are lucky enough to have a friend either in real life or on the internet keep that friendship under your wing.
A real friend won't talk behind your back to others that they are also communicating with. A real friend won't act like they are terrified of you and call you names that insinuate that you are disturbed and very scary.
A real friend won't collect personal information and then share it with others while straddling both sides of the fence.
You can talk to a real friend and know that what you talk about will stay between the two of you.
Anything less isn't a real friend. IMO anything less would be a two faced hypocrite.
Be careful when you pick your friends. They may be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
This isn't meant for anyone in particular either in real life or the internet but if the shoe fits......

speak up Wowzer

What did you see? Anything? Nothing is ok but be honest.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

Here's something that may be useful to some.
If you are lucky enough to have a friend either in real life or on the internet keep that friendship under your wing.
A real friend won't talk behind your back to others that they are also communicating with. A real friend won't act like they are terrified of you and call you names that insinuate that you are disturbed and very scary.
A real friend won't collect personal information and then share it with others while straddling both sides of the fence.
You can talk to a real friend and know that what you talk about will stay between the two of you.
Anything less isn't a real friend. IMO anything less would be a two faced hypocrite.
Be careful when you pick your friends. They may be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
This isn't meant for anyone in particular either in real life or the internet but if the shoe fits......

yea I think I know what you mean

MMM lots of property for sale

findmaura wrote:

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And how do you know this?your opinion maybe?

I KNOW this because I have seen more than my share of cars that have hit people. That is not the damage that you see. So I share what I KNOW.

Bill

Wowzer the real one wrote:

No matter how long you are away from the forum when you come back things are pretty much the same as before you left.

Welcome back.:)

JWB wrote:

nope she wont is what I expect.

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JWB wrote:

What did you see? Anything? Nothing is ok but be honest.

That is between Wowser God and the police.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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The whole Vasi connection is BS. That car never made contact with a human body. Period.
Bill

I have read Vasi only had head and back trama, wouldn't one of his sides of his body have to have trama as well to be struck by a car?

Would falling from a car make more sense with back and head trama?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I have read Vasi only had head and back trama, wouldn't one of his sides of his body have to have trama as well to be struck by a car?
Would falling from a car make more sense with back and head trama?

The short answer is usually trauma to the legs, head, etc all depends on the body location to the car and bumper, hood and windshield heights as well as speed. I haven't heard what kinds of injuries he sustained but Maura's car itself is telling in what isn't present. Did he suffer upper and/or lower leg fractures? The legs, and pelvis usually take the worst beating in a car v. ped accident. Depending on speed head injuries from striking the windshield or asphalt is also possible. Pickup trucks can render a slightly different pattern of injuries. Not always but often enough imprints can be made out on the body of the car part or even text at times.

There are many things that come into play when trauma to the body is involved since that is so much softer than the car. Body position, car speed, etc. What is a little more universal is when soft tissue contacts metal. There are deformation at the contact point but also usually lots of blood, hair, skin, flesh, etc. People don't drive around with that kind of damage to the car and others not recognize it for what it was, even if all the other evidence is cleaned up. In trauma size up classes we study the mechanics of car crashes both the damage to the body and the car. The damage on the car can help tell us what we have to worry about on the persons body. Snapped bones and gashes are easy to see during the survey. What is more difficult to determine is internal damage to organs including the brain. Every trauma survey is done this way if time allows. Use to be, in the days of the Polaroid camera, we would take pictures of the damage to the car so we didn't have to write or try to verbally relay what we saw in 10,000 words or less in the patient care report. That was to help to explain to the emergency room physician/surgeon what was seen. The only thing that fixes serious trauma is surgery. Giving the hospital and surgeons a heads up on what thing or things might need to be operated on is one of the most important things that EMT's do, aside from trying to keep them alive to get to surgery. The use of cameras has since become more complicated because of cell phones and patient privacy rights. Polaroid no longer makes those film cartridges. The advantage of the Polaroid was that all pictures, of which there was only an original, was included and passed on to the hospital staff. No copies were ever made. Something that can't be guaranteed with cell phones, digital cameras, etc. Many departments and some states have laws about how those pictures can be used and transmitted now.

Bill

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text>I have read Vasi only had head and back trama, wouldn't one of his sides of his body have to have trama as well to be struck by a car?

Would falling from a car make more sense with back and head trama?

"Police stated that Vasi’s injuries were consistent with being struck by or falling from a moving vehicle. When asked if he could remember which one it was Vasi replied,“I can’t confirm or refute that I was thrown from a car, but I think that I was hit.”

"Vasi gave reasons for believing he was hit including the fact that his injuries were all on his right side of his body, and also that the friend that was supposed to pick him up and according to Vasi,“the only person I would have ridden with,” came to the hospital the next morning."

Source: "Student still faces long road to recovery" By: DAILY COLLEGIAN ARCHIVE | October 19, 2004

amy researches wrote:

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"Police stated that Vasi’s injuries were consistent with being struck by or falling from a moving vehicle. When asked if he could remember which one it was Vasi replied,“I can’t confirm or refute that I was thrown from a car, but I think that I was hit.”
"Vasi gave reasons for believing he was hit including the fact that his injuries were all on his right side of his body, and also that the friend that was supposed to pick him up and according to Vasi,“the only person I would have ridden with,” came to the hospital the next morning."
Source: "Student still faces long road to recovery" By: DAILY COLLEGIAN ARCHIVE | October 19, 2004

I remember hearing that. I can tell you that it is unusual that the legs aren't broken since those are usually the first to get hit. What is broken (tib/fib or femur and even pelvis) is usually dependent on what height the bumper is at. And again, it's the belief that it was specifically Maura's car that did the damage to Vasi, not specifically how Vasi was injured that I am speaking to.

Bill

Boy... If Maura did hit Vasi and took off, it would show you how seriously she took being a nurse... how she could disregard an injured human being and not even render assistance.

Just read the report from the dispatch log. Is anyone curious about the medical call at power lines lime-kiln and Benton road in Haverhill? Is there any information on Chris Read in Haverhill NH?
I found the report at http://notwithoutperil.files.wordpress.com/20...

BillNH wrote:

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Welcome back.:)

Thanks Bill. Good to be back.

Madame Speaker wrote:

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Order! Order!
Leave Wowser alone. Spam follows.

Thank you Madame Speaker. Sometimes the weekends can get a little rough around here.

AppointedNH wrote:

Just read the report from the dispatch log. Is anyone curious about the medical call at power lines lime-kiln and Benton road in Haverhill? Is there any information on Chris Read in Haverhill NH?
I found the report at http://notwithoutperil.files.wordpress.com/20...

What is there to be curious about? The person was taken to the hospital. I don't see where this call had anything to do with Maura's accident. What makes you curious about the call?

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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What is there to be curious about? The person was taken to the hospital. I don't see where this call had anything to do with Maura's accident. What makes you curious about the call?

It's irrelevant, like many things on this site...
The location stated as near the power lines and an unknown caller stands out. Why not state its a third-party call or blank out an address. I've never been called to a cross street with an outside location unless it's an outside medical/trauma not located in a structure. If the medical was unknown why wasn't a police unit dispatched? Was the male/female party hurt near the power lines? Was this a legitimate patient in need of dire medical attention within hours of MM's disappearance? I'd like to clarify this use of emergency services for an unknown medical call after MM was deemed missing by the local police and ems.

AppointedNH wrote:

Just read the report from the dispatch log. Is anyone curious about the medical call at power lines lime-kiln and Benton road in Haverhill? Is there any information on Chris Read in Haverhill NH?
I found the report at http://notwithoutperil.files.wordpress.com/20...

One of the logs from a few hours after Maura's accident said Chris Read was a counselor from Becket School who called 911 to report a suicidal student on work detail who might be trying to electrocute himself on the power lines.