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AppointedNH wrote:

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It's irrelevant, like many things on this site...
The location stated as near the power lines and an unknown caller stands out. Why not state its a third-party call or blank out an address. I've never been called to a cross street with an outside location unless it's an outside medical/trauma not located in a structure. If the medical was unknown why wasn't a police unit dispatched? Was the male/female party hurt near the power lines? Was this a legitimate patient in need of dire medical attention within hours of MM's disappearance? I'd like to clarify this use of emergency services for an unknown medical call after MM was deemed missing by the local police and ems.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text>I remember hearing that. I can tell you that it is unusual that the legs aren't broken since those are usually the first to get hit. What is broken (tib/fib or femur and even pelvis) is usually dependent on what height the bumper is at. And again, it's the belief that it was specifically Maura's car that did the damage to Vasi, not specifically how Vasi was injured that I am speaking to.

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amy researches wrote:

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Yeah, I understood what you were saying. Sorry if I was unclear. I was just responding to what Lighthouse asked in general. I don't know whether or not his right leg was broken. By "Vasi gave reasons for believing he was hit including the fact that his injuries were all on his right side of his body," I took that to mean right half of the body, rather than the left half, and not necessarily that it meant his leg wasn't broken. Do you read it differently? Not that that would be proof of anything anyway.
I don't have your expertise and I respect your experience and opinion, but I'm not convinced it's impossible that Maura, or someone using her car, hit Vasi. I also don't think Alden would have lied about the conversation he had with the body shop worker who he says saw the Saturn damaged before she left Mass.

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Advocate wrote:

Bill -- with respect to persons struck by vehicles ... presumably Vasi was wearing cold-weather clothing (coat, maybe boots, etc.). Wouldn't clothing like that probably prevent blood/hair/tissue on the vehicle after a hit, especially one at relatively slow speed? I'm assuming that if he was hit by a car, it was not traveling very fast or he would have been even more seriously injured.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Possibly, but, considering his head injuries, if I remember correctly he had severe head injuries it would seem very likely that if it was a car that hit him, and I'm not convinced it actually was, there would be specific patterns of damage on the car that would stick out. Nothing on Maura's car shows damage that cannot be explained by a single contact with a tree as reported in the police report and inconsistent with a contact with a person that I see.
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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Possibly, but, considering his head injuries, if I remember correctly he had severe head injuries it would seem very likely that if it was a car that hit him, and I'm not convinced it actually was, there would be specific patterns of damage on the car that would stick out. Nothing on Maura's car shows damage that cannot be explained by a single contact with a tree as reported in the police report and inconsistent with a contact with a person that I see.
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Advocate wrote:

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Could he have been hit by a car, and the head injury result from hitting the road? In other words, his head not actually strike the car at all?

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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The short answer is usually trauma to the legs, head, etc all depends on the body location to the car and bumper, hood and windshield heights as well as speed. I haven't heard what kinds of injuries he sustained but Maura's car itself is telling in what isn't present. Did he suffer upper and/or lower leg fractures? The legs, and pelvis usually take the worst beating in a car v. ped accident. Depending on speed head injuries from striking the windshield or asphalt is also possible. Pickup trucks can render a slightly different pattern of injuries. Not always but often enough imprints can be made out on the body of the car part or even text at times.
There are many things that come into play when trauma to the body is involved since that is so much softer than the car. Body position, car speed, etc. What is a little more universal is when soft tissue contacts metal. There are deformation at the contact point but also usually lots of blood, hair, skin, flesh, etc. People don't drive around with that kind of damage to the car and others not recognize it for what it was, even if all the other evidence is cleaned up. In trauma size up classes we study the mechanics of car crashes both the damage to the body and the car. The damage on the car can help tell us what we have to worry about on the persons body. Snapped bones and gashes are easy to see during the survey. What is more difficult to determine is internal damage to organs including the brain. Every trauma survey is done this way if time allows. Use to be, in the days of the Polaroid camera, we would take pictures of the damage to the car so we didn't have to write or try to verbally relay what we saw in 10,000 words or less in the patient care report. That was to help to explain to the emergency room physician/surgeon what was seen. The only thing that fixes serious trauma is surgery. Giving the hospital and surgeons a heads up on what thing or things might need to be operated on is one of the most important things that EMT's do, aside from trying to keep them alive to get to surgery. The use of cameras has since become more complicated because of cell phones and patient privacy rights. Polaroid no longer makes those film cartridges. The advantage of the Polaroid was that all pictures, of which there was only an original, was included and passed on to the hospital staff. No copies were ever made. Something that can't be guaranteed with cell phones, digital cameras, etc. Many departments and some states have laws about how those pictures can be used and transmitted now.
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<quoted text>A low speed accident, especially a glancing hit, may not cause any damage to a vehicle.

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hannah_b wrote:

Obviously we do not have enough information about Vasi´s injuries or the alleged pre-Haverhill damages to the Saturn to be able to move beyond mere speculation. I would hope LE did investigate this angle. Media reports say they ruled it out, but according to Vasi´s mom there never was a proper investigation. Unfortunately it doesn´t seem we´ll ever be able to conclusively rule the Vasi hit in or out. Unless someone decides to extensively investigate...? Until then it´s just another instance of deja poo (brilliant, Snowy!)

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BillNH wrote:

I just saw this post on the MM FaceBook page:
Find'the Missing: I hope she is found soon. personally, I still think the guy at her work is suspicious. Sometimes the police will rule people out, and years later realize something they missed. I pray for her daily.
Anyone have any idea what they are referring to?
For those interested there is also a post from Patty Davis from today.