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That's not my position.
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Bill has been contributing regularly here for years and years. Never, but NEVER, has he said anything that is actually useful or that sheds new light on the case.

I play a little game where I read his posts and see if anything truly intelligent can be gleaned from them. It never can.
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I thought it was clay soup.
Clay soup is frequently what you get when clay tennis courts thaw in the spring.

What do I make of all of what? What's the "all this" you're referring to?
Sam

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Well, first, let me ask you this (I know Habs also wants to hear your thoughts): you spoke of art/ literature theft at Brown in a 2009 Amherst thread.

The items, according to posters, were located in Beauharnois (which, currently, has been discussed in connection with Maura quite frequently).

Could you touch upon your theory? In this theory, how is Maura connected to the recovered items in Beaharnois?
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More generally, what do you make of Renner's recent posts (particularly "For Maura").
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I sure hope Renner is basing his belief on more than some "witness" claiming to have spotted a Maura lookalike around Beauharnois. Given border control wasn´t as tight back then as it is now, I suppose she could indeed have slipped into Canada, especially if ridning as a passenger in someone elses vehicle. I have myself travelled across the US - Can border multiple times without having to show any kind of identification, but that was of course pre 9/11. As for her living in Quebec ever since 2004... well, that would depend on if she was able to get/create a false (presumably) US identity (maybe that of a deceased person) and then being able to get (legal) Canadian paperwork, driver´s license &c. If not, she would be living the life of an illegal immigrant, not being able to work, drive or get health care, and her children, if she has any, would not be able to attend school. I read Sam´s interview with David Whalen´s mother, and I figure he just might be the guy to be able to connect her to someone who could get her a (good) false identity to possibly be later exchanged for a true Canadian one. I would think everything depends on this. I think Maura was resourceful and determined enough and maybe to an extent deceitful enough (as in doing whatever it takes to achieve her goal, in this case creating a new life for herself) to get through to the "right" channels to achieve this - getting a new identity and a new life. Whalen being connected to the gambling scene makes me think he just might have the type of connections required to help. So ,in answer to your question: yes, provided she succeeded in establishing a new identity for herself. I don´t think she would be living in Canada or elsewhere under the name of Maura Murray.
Thank you for the reply. You make some good points.
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Sam wrote:
you spoke of art/ literature theft at Brown in a 2009 Amherst thread.
Thread, page and post numbers, please? Thanks.
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Sam wrote:
More generally, what do you make of Renner's recent posts (particularly "For Maura").
It's kind of like watching an airplane fly through the sky.

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Beagle wrote:
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It's kind of like watching an airplane fly through the sky.
With no pilot?
Mauchan

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With no pilot?
Drone seems about right.
Sam

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Beagle wrote:
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Thread, page and post numbers, please? Thanks.
You began this discussion on thread TDI8GHE3636JOUPSP page 91 post #1932:

Oct 25, 2009

To make it simpler, there may be a connection between the theft of art work at the gallery where Maura worked, the person who stole it (now a convicted murderer), and Maura's disappearance.

I am NOT saying, by any means, that Maura was at all complicit in any theft. To the contrary, she may have come to the attention of a murderer BECAUSE she worked in a place from which he stole something.

If what was stolen can be identified and traced, which is possible, then the identity of the gallery is indeed important. But that's for LE to deal with. Personally, I doubt this gallery theft/murder scenario is what happened, but it's certainly a possibility. There's no sense in just eliminating it absent strong indications or evidence to the contrary.
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Sam wrote:
Well, first, let me ask you this (I know Habs also wants to hear your thoughts): you spoke of art/ literature theft at Brown in a 2009 Amherst thread.
The items, according to posters, were located in Beauharnois (which, currently, has been discussed in connection with Maura quite frequently).
Could you touch upon your theory? In this theory, how is Maura connected to the recovered items in Beaharnois?
Sam, reread the posts. Looking4amoose said those things, not Beagle.
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And then there's this...

http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/st-etienne-de-b...
JWB

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Beagle wrote:
Oh yea, well take this:
http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/st-etienne-de-b...
Beagle

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And this...

http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/st-etienne-de-b...

It's not just that someone has the technical skill to do all this, including the link to the Amherst thread on MM and Hadley Police, but WHEN it happened and how FAST it happened.

Someone is having some fun. But it's the Ashburn VA person (Ashburn, Loudon County, VA is the data capital of the U.S.) monikered "pomkik" who put the Amherst link up right after I started the thread. Which they could not have done unless they were monitoring the Amherst forum and knew I had started a new thread.

This reminds me of the time JG was "on the cover" of Popular Science. Total joke.

Of course, Topix doesn't make it easy to let posters change their passwords or delete their accounts. Which could make for some interesting conversations in the future.
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JWB wrote:
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Oh yea, well take this:
http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/st-etienne-de-b...
Like rabbits.

They must be laughing their rear ends off.
JWB

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Strudels originate from Hungary and the poster on Beagle link appears to be from Hungary so I say Hans Strudle is behind all this :)
JWB

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and this

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/whitman-ma/TP...

How do they get a moniker without and ip addy ?
Maruchan

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Sam wrote:
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You need not bother my mother. My email address is on the blog; I live in Massachusetts.
This implies transparency, as if you are being honest in your dealings with others by providing an email address. It implies, to me, that you feel you are not trying to hide anything, and that you are different than DW, who you feel IS hiding something.

But you are not being honest at all. If you were, you would use your real name.

I'm really stunned by your complete lack of ethics. You approached the mother of a person who you are trying to help Renner tie to Maura's disappearance, you lied and implied that your mission was a purely innocent one, and you used a false name to do so. I'm sure the phone number you gave her couldn't be traced back to you as well. I'm sure of this because you told her your name was Samuel, which you and I both know is not your real name.

I had a nice, long chat with DW's mom earlier this evening. I called her (after all, her number took about two minutes to find - I found it last week). I didn't call to ask her any questions about her son, and I didn't ask her any. I called only to warn her that the person who had appeared on her doorstep yesterday was misleading her in his interest in her son. She wanted to know how in the world I knew Sam had come to her house and had to explain to her that her son and now his family were being featured on two blogs, and that the conversation she had was posted on Sam's blog. She only had dial-up and couldn't access the blog while we were on the phone, so I read her Sam's blog post. She claims she never said what Sam wrote - "Her first question:'oh, that was the girl who was killed in New Hampshire?'" - she knew Maura had disappeared, not been killed, and said she wouldn't have said that. I told her about Renner's blog, and I gave her the website addresses for both blogs and impressed on her that Renner was trying to tie Maura's disappearance to her son. I told her that her son's photographs and name were posted on both websites where they will now come up in any Google searches of him. I also warned her that many of his followers were actively trying to find as much information about her son as they could, and that she should be careful as she might receive phone calls or visits from other unscrupulous people like Sam who would lie to her about their purpose in trying to locate her son. I also informed her that if her son did get in touch with Renner and refused to answer any questions that he would be deemed by him and his followers as being even more of a suspicious person who was hiding something. She thanked me for calling and warning her. She was a very nice lady who felt violated by a stranger coming to her door, giving her a false name and questioning her under false pretenses.

This witch hunt needs to stop, NOW.
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Maruchan wrote:
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This implies transparency, as if you are being honest in your dealings with others by providing an email address. It implies, to me, that you feel you are not trying to hide anything, and that you are different than DW, who you feel IS hiding something.
But you are not being honest at all. If you were, you would use your real name.
I'm really stunned by your complete lack of ethics. You approached the mother of a person who you are trying to help Renner tie to Maura's disappearance, you lied and implied that your mission was a purely innocent one, and you used a false name to do so. I'm sure the phone number you gave her couldn't be traced back to you as well. I'm sure of this because you told her your name was Samuel, which you and I both know is not your real name.
I had a nice, long chat with DW's mom earlier this evening. I called her (after all, her number took about two minutes to find - I found it last week). I didn't call to ask her any questions about her son, and I didn't ask her any. I called only to warn her that the person who had appeared on her doorstep yesterday was misleading her in his interest in her son. She wanted to know how in the world I knew Sam had come to her house and had to explain to her that her son and now his family were being featured on two blogs, and that the conversation she had was posted on Sam's blog. She only had dial-up and couldn't access the blog while we were on the phone, so I read her Sam's blog post. She claims she never said what Sam wrote - "Her first question:'oh, that was the girl who was killed in New Hampshire?'" - she knew Maura had disappeared, not been killed, and said she wouldn't have said that. I told her about Renner's blog, and I gave her the website addresses for both blogs and impressed on her that Renner was trying to tie Maura's disappearance to her son. I told her that her son's photographs and name were posted on both websites where they will now come up in any Google searches of him. I also warned her that many of his followers were actively trying to find as much information about her son as they could, and that she should be careful as she might receive phone calls or visits from other unscrupulous people like Sam who would lie to her about their purpose in trying to locate her son. I also informed her that if her son did get in touch with Renner and refused to answer any questions that he would be deemed by him and his followers as being even more of a suspicious person who was hiding something. She thanked me for calling and warning her. She was a very nice lady who felt violated by a stranger coming to her door, giving her a false name and questioning her under false pretenses.
This witch hunt needs to stop, NOW.
Good work, Maruchan, as usual. It has, however, gone way beyond an online witch hunt. It's become physically dangerous. Like in the real world. I'm really afraid someone could get hurt or killed before this is all over. You're right, it needs to stop. Online and off-line. But I'm not holding my breath.

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