Maura Murray

hannah_b wrote:

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Woody, I think WTH-Bill is saying MM escaped from his basement.

The dilema is which house do you search? 1,2,3,4 or 5?

Yes well,

The pursuit here by the old guard has been for answers. A line has been crossed. If Maura is alive and has chosen to "leave the grid" it's her choice.Like it or not she's a grown up and entitled to it. If JR and his clan of "detectives" believe she really is alive, then they are quite aware that she doesn't wish to be found. All of you well wishers, what a joke. Compassion, empathy? The poor family? How do you reconcile the hounding and chasing of a person who doesn't wish to found with your stated goal? What if the family doesn't want her found either. Oh, I know, we switch from an altruistic search in which we seek answers for a family in grief to a search for justice. Yeah that's the ticket. She has charges here in the US that she must answer to. You are certain she is alive, but just way to invested to back off, even if the TRUELY COMPASSIONATE thing would be to leave her alone. Just a quick change of motive here and the search is vindicated.
James, in his open letter to Maura on his blog tells her, I don't care about the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent searching for you...Really? then why bring it up and why name the amount?! Guilt language James. It may work with your children, but any intelligent adult would be offended by such a statement and they certainly wouldn't see it as a thoughtful plea for contact.
If Maura is dead, then I certainly would like to know and I'd like to know the circumstances. It is likely that she was last seen in my home state. If she is alive and has chosen to drop out and also chosen to ignore all of the plea's for contact by book writers and self important looney's, then it's her right and none of my or anyone else's business. Pretty f'ng simple; if she is alive, she's chosen to be left alone. A pursuit at this point has nothing to do with compassion. It has to do with book sales and obsession. I hope she is alive and well and I hope she slips this group of rabid hounds.

LocoLefty wrote:

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What you are implying is that I am in some way connected to or taking the side of Mary Carey and therefore, Sullivan as well. I've also read your blog, where you mention being stalked by someone who you think was perhaps hired by Sullivan. Out of the blue, you have just implied that I'm in agreement with the harassment, intimidation, and stalking of private citizens. You're way out of line. You have no idea who I am. I've never made any comment here or given any reason for you to believe such a thing. Merely because I ask a question about whether or not other women should be worried for a specific reasons (since you were vague) you have typecast me as some sort of Femi-Nazi. You group me with other "types" of people who may be in favor of that sort of thing.
Let me be clear: I am NOT in favor of people in power abusing that power and intimidating people. Nor am I interested in what Mary Carey does. It isn't my fault that you are paranoid.

Ah and the pot has pointed to the kettle. Whoever used their "power" to hurt you was very naughty. Shame on them, but, now you're a big girl, let's get some therapy and try to move past it okay? I believe at moments like this, it's customary to offer a warm beverage...Cup of Cashmere tea and a warm muffin perhaps? xoxo

Hans Strudle wrote:

If James did find Maura, took a snapshot of her, and had a small conversation with her, some here would not believe him. They simply have way too much of the EGO's involved; not heart, ego. If anyone truly wanted the ending of this saga to be one in which Maura is alive, happy and healthy, then you should at least give James the benefit of the doubt. Me, I think James may be in Ireland. He alluded to a trip there on his blog earlier this year. I think he's doing a bait and switch. Also, he hired a really good, objective PI to help. And it's not John Green.

So you don't think anything he is doing is an attempt at marketing? You think if Renner's theory was she took off down the road ran up a driveway and entered the woods and perished he would sell many copies?

When he appeals to your heart he appeals to your emotions and emotions sell.

JWB wrote:

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The dilema is which house do you search? 1,2,3,4 or 5?

Actually all of them. I am searching when I am just driving down the street.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Actually all of them. I am searching when I am just driving down the street.
Bill

So glad you have decided to participate.

JWB wrote:

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So glad you have decided to participate.

He really is a gooood booooy.

Eat your brussel sprouts....

Billy comes accross harsh but really has a heart of gold.

Sorry, we are not using woman's rules any more. We didn't like them.

But we are willing to be fair. We will let you and your fellow women abide by them.

If you don't tell them where Maura is, they will post personal information about each person they talk to in Quebec.

Ridiculous wrote:

Yes well,
The pursuit here by the old guard has been for answers. A line has been crossed. If Maura is alive and has chosen to "leave the grid" it's her choice.

Ridiculous wrote:

Yes well,
The pursuit here by the old guard has been for answers. A line has been crossed. If Maura is alive and has chosen to "leave the grid" it's her choice.Like it or not she's a grown up and entitled to it. If JR and his clan of "detectives" believe she really is alive, then they are quite aware that she doesn't wish to be found. All of you well wishers, what a joke. Compassion, empathy? The poor family? How do you reconcile the hounding and chasing of a person who doesn't wish to found with your stated goal? What if the family doesn't want her found either. Oh, I know, we switch from an altruistic search in which we seek answers for a family in grief to a search for justice. Yeah that's the ticket. She has charges here in the US that she must answer to. You are certain she is alive, but just way to invested to back off, even if the TRUELY COMPASSIONATE thing would be to leave her alone. Just a quick change of motive here and the search is vindicated.
James, in his open letter to Maura on his blog tells her, I don't care about the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent searching for you...Really? then why bring it up and why name the amount?! Guilt language James. It may work with your children, but any intelligent adult would be offended by such a statement and they certainly wouldn't see it as a thoughtful plea for contact.
If Maura is dead, then I certainly would like to know and I'd like to know the circumstances. It is likely that she was last seen in my home state. If she is alive and has chosen to drop out and also chosen to ignore all of the plea's for contact by book writers and self important looney's, then it's her right and none of my or anyone else's business. Pretty f'ng simple; if she is alive, she's chosen to be left alone. A pursuit at this point has nothing to do with compassion. It has to do with book sales and obsession. I hope she is alive and well and I hope she slips this group of rabid hounds.

This is a great post, Ridic, and I agree. I also want to thank you for pointing out the guilt-tripping in that post to Maura - I was very aware of it when I read it and was surprised(?) nobody mentioned it. He guilt-tripped her a couple of times in that post - in addition to the one you mentioned, he also said:

"... the well-meaning internet armchair sleuths can move on to cases of real missing people whom they can actually help."

It's just funny to me that anybody would think that Maura would respond to him after writing something like that.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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So you don't think anything he is doing is an attempt at marketing? You think if Renner's theory was she took off down the road ran up a driveway and entered the woods and perished he would sell many copies?
When he appeals to your heart he appeals to your emotions and emotions sell.

Did you see that he added a photograph of himself hanging flyers to his Canada post today? The person that took the photograph wasn't just snapping a pic, they got low down on the ground and shot up, not something just a fellow "investigator" would do. That photo was taken for marketing - it was a "photo op" for Renner and was undoubtedly taken to be in his book.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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OK let's start over and thank you for the welcome.
I'm afraid I cannot answer any of your questions. If you have done any past reading here you would know that a poster that turns into a raving lunatic (especially on the weekends) has admittedly been physically trying to find my house and me for some time.
I feel answering any of your questions might put the stalker in a bad situation if he happened to find out where I lived and showed up at my door.

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.

Maruchan wrote:

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Did you see that he added a photograph of himself hanging flyers to his Canada post today? The person that took the photograph wasn't just snapping a pic, they got low down on the ground and shot up, not something just a fellow "investigator" would do. That photo was taken for marketing - it was a "photo op" for Renner and was undoubtedly taken to be in his book.

He is a man. You're supposed to look up to him.

Maruchan wrote:

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You and Ledyard were Green's "chief" minions. You are responsible for causing Citigirl to leave this forum in fear.

I'm not responsible for John Green. I think he's an interesting guy who had good intentions in looking for Maura, but I no longer communicate with him.

The only person I represent is myself.

Maruchan wrote:

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Did you see that he added a photograph of himself hanging flyers to his Canada post today? The person that took the photograph wasn't just snapping a pic, they got low down on the ground and shot up, not something just a fellow "investigator" would do. That photo was taken for marketing - it was a "photo op" for Renner and was undoubtedly taken to be in his book.

This was JWB's fault. Whilst trying to keep upright on his moped in the cold Canadian weather, he dropped the camera that he was JUST trained in using. The pic snapped just as the camera hit the kickstand. James looked so investigatively handsome in the photo, it was the perfect shot!

Maruchan wrote:

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This is a great post, Ridic, and I agree. I also want to thank you for pointing out the guilt-tripping in that post to Maura - I was very aware of it when I read it and was surprised(?) nobody mentioned it. He guilt-tripped her a couple of times in that post - in addition to the one you mentioned, he also said:
"... the well-meaning internet armchair sleuths can move on to cases of real missing people whom they can actually help."
It's just funny to me that anybody would think that Maura would respond to him after writing something like that.
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Did you see that he added a photograph of himself hanging flyers to his Canada post today? The person that took the photograph wasn't just snapping a pic, they got low down on the ground and shot up, not something just a fellow "investigator" would do. That photo was taken for marketing - it was a "photo op" for Renner and was undoubtedly taken to be in his book.

Reminds me of the night Snowy and I handed out flyers in the frigid cold. CNN bus kept us warm...

***UPDATE from the Canada***

Hi y'all. John Green here with an update from Canada.

JR thought we'd cover more ground by splitting up. So he and the rest of the group went to Beauharnois and I went to Epcot Center. Climates surprisingly warm.

I just walked to Norway without showing my passport. Could Maura and DW have done likewise?

One of the reasons Renner has stated for DW to be in Canada is this statement:

"In the states, casinos also make people fill out tax forms if you win more than $10,000 in a game. Canada doesn't."

It turns out that this isn't true.

Commenter "Allie" posted this on the DW blog early this morning:

"Hi there.. Actually in Canada if you do any transaction that exceeds $10,000 in cash, you are required to file paperwork and show Government Identification.

It is called Fintrac, and is run by the Government. Signs are posted in all major Casinos.

source: I am a Former Surveillance employee in a Canadian Casino."

So I checked, and Allie is right, it is the law. Renner was wrong. From the Fintrac page:

"If you are a casino, effective September 28, 2009, you have to send a casino disbursement report to FINTRAC in the following situations:

You make a disbursement in an amount of $10,000 or more, in the course of a single transaction.

You make two or more disbursements of less than $10,000, that total $10,000 or more under the 24-hour rule. In this case, you have to make a casino disbursement report if your employee or senior officer knows the disbursements were received within 24 consecutive hours of each other by or on behalf of the same individual or entity."

People wonder why so many doubt Renner - this is just simple stuff that he should have verified. This is one of the principles of journalism which Renner seems utterly clueless about. From The Pew Research Journalism Project:

"Principles of Journalism ... Journalism’s first obligation is to the truth ... Democracy depends on citizens having reliable, accurate facts put in a meaningful context ... This 'journalistic truth' is a process that begins with the professional discipline of assembling and verifying facts."

Not to mention, doesn't anybody find it absurd that Renner is basing this entire Canada theory on that Geocities letter? The letter which I and others have determined was probably a hoax?

This whole thing is just bizarre to me.

Granny git yer gun wrote:

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This was JWB's fault. Whilst trying to keep upright on his moped in the cold Canadian weather, he dropped the camera that he was JUST trained in using. The pic snapped just as the camera hit the kickstand. James looked so investigatively handsome in the photo, it was the perfect shot!

How the hell does one not laugh at this one?! ; )

I'm visiting some friends who attend university here in southern New York this weekend. Last night I met several students who live in the New England area. Hadley, Mass and southwestern New Hampshire, specifically. We got into a discussion about the social relationships between citizens of MA, VT and NH. They asked how I have geographical knowledge of their home states. I explained to them my interest in Maura's disappearance. I think the conversations I had last night helped me to understand certain dynamics of the North Country that, having never been there myself, I wouldn't have otherwise. I know a lot of people who post here are from those areas. I was glad to get some insight into the thinking that those parts of the country produce. I think it has benefitted my ability to interpret some of the posts here on some level.

Here's hoping James Renner finds what he's looking for in Canada.

Maruchan wrote:

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This is a great post, Ridic, and I agree. I also want to thank you for pointing out the guilt-tripping in that post to Maura - I was very aware of it when I read it and was surprised(?) nobody mentioned it. He guilt-tripped her a couple of times in that post - in addition to the one you mentioned, he also said:
"... the well-meaning internet armchair sleuths can move on to cases of real missing people whom they can actually help."
It's just funny to me that anybody would think that Maura would respond to him after writing something like that.
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Did you see that he added a photograph of himself hanging flyers to his Canada post today? The person that took the photograph wasn't just snapping a pic, they got low down on the ground and shot up, not something just a fellow "investigator" would do. That photo was taken for marketing - it was a "photo op" for Renner and was undoubtedly taken to be in his book.

Thanks Maruchan, I haven't seen the pic yet but I can only imagine.. I don't understand why JR had to fly up here to meet Sammy. Why not just meet in Canada? Hmmmm...
Renner's group of investigators...? Yes, and I'm a race car driver..I was just leaving a job this morning in the work truck and there was a squirrel running down the road next to me...I floored the old beast and left him in the dust, so, in actuality, not only am I a race car driver, but I am one with a perfect record... okay, I stretched things a little here. I'm actually a race truck driver...But the point is the same.. ; )