Maura Murray

Sam Ledyard wrote:

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Do you have any idea how easy it would be for Habs to get your IP address and bring a defamation action? That would be the end of the game. And she would most certainly win.

Sam,
this is one of the many reasons I just don't like you. You are trying to say that should someone bring a case to a judge looking for damages for the defamation of their online moniker, he would not only hear the case but award damages?! I would laugh at any regular uneducated fool for making such a statement, but for a supposed attorney to say such a thing?! I find you in contempt young man. Back to to the cellar with the rest of the scribes.

Can anyone here help Sam crack the Topix database to corroborate an IP address? he doesn't seem to know how easy it would be.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

What Program does Topix use for Geo-Location?

Samuel asked 1 day ago -
3 days left to answer

I want to determine the location that would appear on Topix for a specific IP address. To do this, I need to know how Topix determines the geo-location (i.e., the specific site/program it uses).

Does anyone know? If not, do you know how I could determine this?

Pointless Endeavor wrote:

Can anyone here help Sam crack the Topix database to corroborate an IP address? he doesn't seem to know how easy it would be.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
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I have mixed feelings about this. I find the idea of tracking a poster terrible (who would want to post on the site in the future?).

I would never reveal information about a poster, unless ordered to do so by subpoena. But that's me.

Ridiculous wrote:

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Sam,
this is one of the many reasons I just don't like you. You are trying to say that should someone bring a case to a judge looking for damages for the defamation of their online moniker, he would not only hear the case but award damages?! I would laugh at any regular uneducated fool for making such a statement, but for a supposed attorney to say such a thing?! I find you in contempt young man. Back to to the cellar with the rest of the scribes.

Others would have to know that the statement pertained to the plaintiff. I agree. I assumed that "Habs" was either a nickname or initials. If so, then the argument can be made.

You are different. I don't suppose people call you "ridiculous" (as a nickname, anyway).

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I have mixed feelings about this. I find the idea of tracking a poster terrible (who would want to post on the site in the future?).
I would never reveal information about a poster, unless ordered to do so by subpoena. But that's me.

The idea is to take Observer's IP and recreate the post, to determine how it would aware on Topix.

I'm not convinced that it would appear on Topix as "Taunton."

I am not doing what you're suggesting. Citigirl is believed to be Observer. Maybe she wasn't; maybe I can prove that she wasn't.

*how it would APPEAR on Topix.

The point that I was making in the quote is that I would never disclose a poster's IP address. I stand behind that. But if a poster, on another blog, has already been "identified" by her IP address; I'd like to test that theory to make sure it's right.

By the way, I am in no way blaming Ben Franklyne (or anyone else for that matter). Franklyne wrote a report intended for LE. He didn't assert, as fact, that citigirl was observer. He made it clear that it was merely plausible that she was. He had no idea that it would be published.

Oh, and Adagio posts from several different locations, including Townsend, MA and Still River, MA, which are much further away than Taunton, but, as you proved with your driving around and posting from different areas, posting locations can appear very far away from the actual location you are posting from.

Maruchan; I assume that comment #43319 was yours. I missed it. Could you repost or restate it?

I'm not sure I understand your point re: multiple locations. One of adagio's locations was Taunton. This is consistent with adagio being observer. I would say the same thing if observer posted from any of the other locations that you mentioned. Or am I missing your point?

Thanks very much.

OK, this is weird, my post was actually deleted? Then I posted it again, and there is nothing there? Hmmm.

Maybe it's because it was too long. I'll repost it in halves and see it it shows up.

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Adagio talks a great deal about Fred being an abuser:

adagio wrote:

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These are Shack's words. Shack you are correct, it was a release. Of rage. And he released it on ypu a complete stranger

who was trying to help him. You can imagine his reaction when Maura walks into his motel room in Hadley at 3AM on FEB 8

and tells him that she has just crashed his new car and it is not drivable and had to be towed to the motel by a tow truck.

The rumor exists that it got physical in that motel room. This rumor has been on topix.

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Combine this with Fred attacking (Shack's own word) an old lady on a cane who is pathetically hobbling along behind him

in the woods helping him to search for his daughter, calling her fat (amongst other things) and what do you have?
1. A nasty, cruel, ignorant man
2. A man who abuses strangers who are trying to help him
3. If this is how he treats women that are strangers to him
4.Then how does he treat his daughter whom he would surely perceive as someone under his control and someone who has

disappointed him by amongst other things getting kicked out of West Point.
5. He is surely pissed off at her and then to top it all off, she wakes him at 3:30 AM and tells him she has just crashed his

new car. I would not want to be in Maura's shoes in that motel room.

Geocities letter references abuse:

"What happened in this motel room we'll never know but I do know for a fact that there was some physical violence on the

part of Fred Murray. Fred Murray has a history of domestic violence."

I'll keep looking into this.

I've now posted it three times, and none of them are showing up. There aren't any links in the post. This is weird, especially since my other posts do appear.

Setting aside our differences for a moment, Sam, I think you are on to something. I think the patterns you revealed are interesting, and I have found some as well.

Adagio stated that he/she was a long-time lurker, all the way back to the original MMM forum, and had only recently started posting. This was in August 2009, four months after the Geocities letter and the two Quebec Topix posts were posted. Adagio appears to have very strong feelings against Fred Murray, constantly calling him an abuser, and also against the Murray family and those posting on MMM who shut down any talk against Maura or any theories other than abduction. Besides the examples of patterns you posted on your blog, I have found the following:

There are a few times that Adagio references dates and times which are consistently written the same as the manner in which dates and times are referenced in the Geocities letter. The month of February is always abbreviated "Feb," with no period ending it, in Adagio's posts, and with the exception of one instance where February is written in full, it is abbreviated the same way, without a period, in the Geocities letter. Also AM and PM are also capitalized in both instances, with no periods:

adagio wrote:

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... You can imagine his reaction when Maura walks into his motel room in Hadley at 3AM on FEB 8 ...

adagio wrote:

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adagio wrote:

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She bought booze on her way out of Amherst FEB 9 2004

From the Geocities letter:

"Feb 9, 2004"
"12 MN and 1 AM"
"1 AM - 1:20 AM Feb 6"
"2 and 3 AM on the morning of Sunday Feb 8"
"3 AM"

Reference to Maura starting a "new life":

adagio wrote:

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ABSOLUTELY. The vehicle of the person who was helping her to flee to her new life.

adagio wrote:

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By the above I mean the car of the person who was helping her to flee, helping her to go to a new place to start a new life.

Geocities quote about "new life":

"Maura Murray has the right as every independent adult does to leave with her new boyfriend and start a new life."

OK, so I'm finally seeing my complete first post about Adagio, first half post #43328, second half post #43325.

As to my post regarding locations, I'm no longer sure what my point was as I was reading a lot of stuff - I'm sure there was one, but it eludes me at the moment.

Great finds; I archived this page in the Way Back Machine.

Here's a bit more.

Adagio has posted under different names. Around August 2011, he/she was posting as "Lauren." I am 100% certain they are the same person from doing a lot of reading tonight, but here is one example - both Adagio and Lauren misspell Todd Landry's name in many posts, here are two:

8/30/09, Page 52, Post #1103, "Amherst Mystery: Did UMASS Researchers Kill Maura Murray" thread

adagio wrote:

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Why should the Landrey report interest me? I believe Maura is alive and well, she ran away from abuse and from a possible felony trial. Therefore the Landrey report is irrevelent.

10/23/11, Page 263, Post #5428

Lauren wrote:

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And NH State Police Officer Todd Landrey lied

I think it is interesting that Adagio/Lauren uses Canadian/UK spellings of two different words, "behaviour" and "axe".

8/3/09, Page 29, Post #616

adagio wrote:

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I believe this is one of the defining behaviour characteristics of someone with alcoholism.

9/20/11, Page 209, Post #4336

Lauren wrote:

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Makes me think of her behaviour ...

9/13/11, Page 208, Post #4304

Lauren wrote:

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... he does not have a personal axe to grind.

9/20/11, Page 209, Post #4337

Lauren wrote:

He has no axe to grind.

And again here is a similar quote that seems like a pattern to me:

10/9/11, Page 240, Post #4963

Lauren wrote:

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She's an intelligent and independent adult and does not need permission or approval.

From the Geocities letter:

"Maura Murray has the right as every independent adult does to leave with her new boyfriend and start a new life."

More:

8/2/09, Page 28, Post #598 and #599

adagio wrote:

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More likely that she ran away from the pressure put on her, high expectations and her perceived "failures". I think one or more people made known their disappointment in her being asked to leave WP, her drinking and her wrecking a brand new car. There is a school of thought that Maura is alive and well. If so I hope and pray she has found peace and contentment.

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And of course there is the possibility that she also in addition to the above was running away from being accused of a felony ie the Vasi hit and run.

Geocities letter:

"Maura's being asked to leave West Point and all the ensuing criticism by her father was the beginning of a certain line of thought for Maura, culminating in her leaving on Feb 9, 2004 to start a new life unencumbered by the constant criticism of her father ... Maura had a second motor vehicle accident wrecking her father's new car ... live her life in peace. She is happy and contented "

I would put the whole geocities letter bit to bed if I were you people.

It sounds like someone that has cut and paste known theories that have been thrown around about Maura into one long narrative.

But more to the point on whether or not James is using that geocities letter to help push his theory that Maura went to Canada:

I sure would hope he isn't doing that.

Because he has vehemently come out against the whole vasi hit and run angle and other things mentioned in that letter such as Maura taking off for a break during her work shift.

So if he is really selectively choosing bits and pieces out of that post to push one theory than that is kind of dishonest isn't it.

If this person is dead wrong about Maura being involved in a hit and run, then why would any other part of their post hold any credibility?

I am not picking on James, I just hope he isn't using this thing after he made a whole big point about how ridiculous the notion that Maura was involved in a hit and run was, even going as far as re-interviewing Maura's supervisor just to get her to go along with him and say that it would be impossible for Maura to have been able to leave her shift during work..

Orko; I agree that this issue should be resolved.

I'd like to look through the "Where is Maura Murray" thread for pertinent information. I haven't had the chance to post all of it. Here are the pages from when the geocities letter was posted:

http://goo.gl/ByCsRv (p 925), http://goo.gl/ulcRMy (p 926), and http://goo.gl/qvVFEv (p 927).

I'm convinced that Lauren is adagio.

Adagio posted from July 25, 2009 – September 18, 2009 and does not appear on the "Where is MAURA MURRAY" thread.

Adagio/Lauren is a female, according to some of her posts in which she mentions her husband. In January 2012, she again changed her posting name, this time to "whitenoise." Again, I am 100% certain they are the same person because of the reading I have done. This person really has a grudge against the old MMM forum, Helena and Fred Murray, and especially the poster Firecat, whom she calls varying insulting versions of her screen name, and poster Anne in Vermont, about whom she says some really nasty things.

Just some examples showing Adagio, Lauren and whitenoise are the same person:

9/13/11, Page 208, Post #4301

Lauren wrote:

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And I think the frosting on the cake for SBD is when Elsewherebriefly asked the obviously psychotic and dangerous poster Johnny something (can't remember his last name) when she saw that he was posting from Florida - to go to SBD's Florida home and "talk to him and see what he could learn" ... he died shortly after EWB sent psycho Johnny to his home,

9/24/11, Page 212, Post #4391

Lauren wrote:

You read the vile posts by Shack, Firefart, EWB et al.

1/9/12, Page 388, post #7963

whitenoise wrote:

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I vividly remember FireFat salivating over this poor male. Other things I remember are her never ending defense of Shack. A particular memory, that to this day sickens me, is EWB sending a clearly violent, psychotic poster who called himself Johnny Psycho to BA's Florida home telling him to "question BA".

So, here is another example of Adagio/Lauren/whitenoise using a Canadian/UK spelling of a word, this time it is "favourite":

2/11/12, Page 594, Post #12138

whitenoise wrote:

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The film maura watched over and over again, her favourite film in the whole world, according to her friends.

And I also found whitenoise's response to this post interesting:

2/7/12, Page 558, Post #11419

Shannon wrote:

If you follow all of Renner's posts of today, Renner is implying that his computer expert

believes that it is Citigirl who sent the email to NH State Police that Renner has just put up on his blog. Please read the email address on the email to NHSP – Toronto. The webs this Murray family weaves.

2/8/12, Page 564, Post #11521

whitenoise wrote:

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Sir Walter Scott: Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive.
Renner: The email to NHSP is for an email server in Toronto. It is posted immediately above his post about Curves

Toronto.