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#43863
Jan 18, 2014
 
Thanks to everyone who has already donated to our effort to generate new leads on the upcoming 10th anniversary of Maura's disappearance! We have raised enough to buy full-page ads in Mass and Canada. We're about two hundred short of being able to purchase ads in NH as well.

The campaign ends Monday at noon.

Please spread the word!
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#43864
Jan 18, 2014
 
Samuel Ledyard wrote:
I see two significant differences between the posts.
First, there had already been an attempt to identify observer and citigirl was named. Had observer posted on my blog (which is the case with Swartz), I never would have released information about him. So I felt that there was an error that needed to be fixed.
Second, he made Suzanne appear to be a credible source; a journalist. Observer, too, was represented as being a friend of Maura's. The Swartz post lacks credibility. The fake email address entered, for example, was hangingaaronswarts. It was a dark joke; lacking credibility. This is important to me because Suzanne's post got a lot of people's hopes up.
Without the attempt to make Suzanne "credible" would there have been a search for the identity of the geocities letter author?
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#43865
Jan 18, 2014
 
Tyler from Pittsburgh wrote:
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That's the best you've got?
Sorry, I was in a rush this morning. I thought the pre-natal part was kinda funny. I'll see if I can come up with something better this evening. Okay?
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Jan 18, 2014
 
Wowzer the real one wrote:
Next who is this Swartz and what did they do?
Wowser, in case this has not been answered for you yet, Aaron Swartz posted that Maura's body is burried in Hilltop Quarry and was burried there by Butch Atwood. It was posted as fact not opinion. There were subsequent posts, or rather questions, further implicating Butch Atwood.

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Jan 18, 2014
 
NEXT wrote:
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Without the attempt to make Suzanne "credible" would there have been a search for the identity of the geocities letter author?
Speaking only for myself, no, there would not have been.

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Jan 18, 2014
 
NEXT wrote:
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Wowser, in case this has not been answered for you yet, Aaron Swartz posted that Maura's body is burried in Hilltop Quarry and was burried there by Butch Atwood. It was posted as fact not opinion. There were subsequent posts, or rather questions, further implicating Butch Atwood.
Viewed in isolation, it is presented as fact. But read in light of the author's name and email address, I believe that it was intended to be humorous (although, personally, I don't find it funny).
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#43869
Jan 18, 2014
 
And on and on and on it continues to flow.
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#43870
Jan 18, 2014
 
You don't bury someone in a quarry........they are just big holes mostly filled with water. DUMPED would be the correct terminology in this instance.
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Jan 18, 2014
 
Ridiculous wrote:
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Sorry, I was in a rush this morning. I thought the pre-natal part was kinda funny. I'll see if I can come up with something better this evening. Okay?
Don't give me so much credit this time.
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#43872
Jan 18, 2014
 
Sam Ledyard wrote:
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Speaking only for myself, no, there would not have been.
So it was not the geocities post itself that was the issue, it was how the poster claimed to lend credibility to it?
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#43873
Jan 18, 2014
 
Aaron Swartz has relatives very close (1/2 mile) to the place where Maura's Saturn was found. Interesting indeed.
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Jan 18, 2014
 
Sam Ledyard wrote:
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Viewed in isolation, it is presented as fact. But read in light of the author's name and email address, I believe that it was intended to be humorous (although, personally, I don't find it funny).
I believe you stated that it didn't matter how people viewed the post, it was the intent to present as fact that mattered?

If the geocities poster used a humorous moniker it would have been ok?
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#43875
Jan 18, 2014
 
And Mr. Swartz is connected to a very important politician from Mass.
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#43876
Jan 18, 2014
 
And also a 4000 footer hiker knows a lot more than meets the eye.
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Jan 18, 2014
 
Just a Guy.

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#43878
Jan 18, 2014
 
NEXT wrote:
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I believe you stated that it didn't matter how people viewed the post....
No I did not.
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[I]t was the intent to present as fact that mattered?
If it was not designed to be read as fact, then there would be no issue.

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#43879
Jan 18, 2014
 
Let me clarify my position: the geocities post was intended to be read as fact and it was actually read that way. If either of those "elements" were lacking, I would not have looked into the author.

Had the author used a funny moniker, the first element would be lacking.

If I wanted to phrase it in law-speak: the geocities post was designed to cause a reasonable person to believe that it was based in fact.

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#43880
Jan 18, 2014
 
Insanity rules wrote:
And Mr. Swartz is connected to a very important politician from Mass.
He's dead. He can't post on a blog.
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#43881
Jan 18, 2014
 
One Mr. Swartz is dead.

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Jan 18, 2014
 
Sam Ledyard wrote:
Let me clarify my position: the geocities post was intended to be read as fact and it was actually read that way. If either of those "elements" were lacking, I would not have looked into the author.
Had the author used a funny moniker, the first element would be lacking.
If I wanted to phrase it in law-speak: the geocities post was designed to cause a reasonable person to believe that it was based in fact.
intent is subject to interpretation; your conclusion is not fully supported, and is not proven. you choose to read the statement as fact-based, with bias.

the geocities statement could be intended to be persuasive, or, in another context, as a retort to previous statements made about the whereabouts of MM.

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