Maura Murray

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Of course I want the answers to what happened to Maura. But dont say your investigating a case and never talk to the ones whom have actually been involved from the beginning. The difference is LE is investigating the case with no profits to themselves. They are just trying to solve a missing persons case. Mr Renner is just writing a book that he will profit on with out talking to all involoved in the case. Why dont we jusy get rid of all LE because MR Renner can show up years later and solve all cases by writing books.

do law enforcement officials pull a salary for their time investigating? do they not earn a vacation pay, sick time, a retirement plan and other perks of the job? to me, that too is profitting. they probably wouldn't do it if they didn't get paid. Renner hasn't profitted yet, LE has gotten paid from the beginning. LE probably woudn't do it without an attached salary. Why do you think PI volunteer? If they do a good job, word gets around that they're good, and ultimately they get business from their good repuration and they profit from it too. It's all money.....does it really matter where it comes from? at least Renner isn't getting paid by the tax payers..........no one is forced to buy his book...it's voluntary. Nothing voluntary about taxes!

Wicked Local wrote:

<quoted text> Had a much better idea where he/Patric would be ?? Do tell. Then why did it take 5 days to find Him.

My point is that the search area for Patric was significantly smaller than the possible area where Maura could be if she in fact did walk into the woods on her own and succumbed to the elements.

You ask why it took 5 days to find Patric, and that is in fact exactly my point. For most people who have never conducted a wilderness search for a person it seems as if it should fairly simple, however once you actually engage in such a search you realize how difficult it really is to find a very small object in a very large area. If finding Patric was the equiviliant of finding a needle in a haystack then finding Maura would be finding a needle in an Iowa corn field.

I lead night searches on the first 3 nights of the search and it was overwhelming the task at hand.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text> I could right a book. But will not because I refuse to exploit the missing regardless as whethter or not it is a family member. I didnt say he owed us anything. But the fact is wouldnt you interview those that where involved in the case? Im grateful for LE that has been involved in Mauras case from day one not for someone whom has shown up years later that has never been involved in the case until they decide they want to write a book.

Let's see. Fred won't talk to him. Strike one. Renner did interview Jannis, and has talked to several of her friends--who maybe knew more about what was going on in Maura's life than the family would ever know or disclose. It's hard to tell from his blog whether or not he interviewed Kurt directly or if he is quoting another interview. Why not contact Renner directly and tell him you and other family members would like to be interviewed?

looking4amoose wrote:

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do law enforcement officials pull a salary for their time investigating? do they not earn a vacation pay, sick time, a retirement plan and other perks of the job? to me, that too is profitting. they probably wouldn't do it if they didn't get paid. Renner hasn't profitted yet, LE has gotten paid from the beginning. LE probably woudn't do it without an attached salary. Why do you think PI volunteer? If they do a good job, word gets around that they're good, and ultimately they get business from their good repuration and they profit from it too. It's all money.....does it really matter where it comes from? at least Renner isn't getting paid by the tax payers..........no one is forced to buy his book...it's voluntary. Nothing voluntary about taxes!

well stated.

Snowy wrote:

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well stated.

Thank you

sophie bean wrote:

Citigirl, you seem very defensive about this. I don't understand.

Sophie not being defensive at all. Just because one does not agree with another does not mean they are being defensive. Just stating my opinion like everyone else.

Wicked Local wrote:

<quoted text> So are you saying that NH Police/ NH State Police and other Agencies are covering Maura and Patrics Deaths???
Why for God's Sake would they do that.

Exactly. Why would they do that. They wouldn't. What would any of those people or agency's gain by covering up the death of a little boy. There is no proof that Maura is not alive or came to harm by the hands of another so how can anything be covered up?

The following post is from someone named "kitten" on Topix Amherst. Apparently the monitor is deleting all posts that support Renner or say anything that is not anti-Renner. Why?

People disappear every day and just get new accounts, new phones, new friends. She could live with someone whose name is on all those accounts so she doesn't have to use her own social security number.

Now, the real question for me right now is this: why all the hatred for Renner, the journalish with the blog/ book? Nancy Grace and ID and all of those features MM was on stood to make way more money than a journalist from Ohio does, and NONE of those specials did any independent research.
They only recycled the canon already published, which is widely regarded as entirely flawed in addition to being poorly investigated on the police level. The hatred isn't here, from what I've seen, but the facebook page admins have deleted comments and members supporting him, and there is a rabid anti-Renner commenting faction that writes unintelligible, illiterate junk in his comments section every day.

Its effing stupid to discount good research

Lauren wrote:

The following post is from someone named "kitten" on Topix Amherst. Apparently the monitor is deleting all posts that support Renner or say anything that is not anti-Renner. Why?
People disappear every day and just get new accounts, new phones, new friends. She could live with someone whose name is on all those accounts so she doesn't have to use her own social security number.
Now, the real question for me right now is this: why all the hatred for Renner, the journalish with the blog/ book? Nancy Grace and ID and all of those features MM was on stood to make way more money than a journalist from Ohio does, and NONE of those specials did any independent research.
They only recycled the canon already published, which is widely regarded as entirely flawed in addition to being poorly investigated on the police level. The hatred isn't here, from what I've seen, but the facebook page admins have deleted comments and members supporting him, and there is a rabid anti-Renner commenting faction that writes unintelligible, illiterate junk in his comments section every day.
Its effing stupid to discount good research

My post was referring to Facebook which is administered by someone under the direction of Fred. I have never been to this Facebook site. And never will. I have had quite enough of Fred/Helena controlled hatred forums. First Hate the NH locals, now Hate Renner.

Lauren wrote:

The following post is from someone named "kitten" on Topix Amherst. Apparently the monitor is deleting all posts that support Renner or say anything that is not anti-Renner. Why?
People disappear every day and just get new accounts, new phones, new friends. She could live with someone whose name is on all those accounts so she doesn't have to use her own social security number.
Now, the real question for me right now is this: why all the hatred for Renner, the journalish with the blog/ book? Nancy Grace and ID and all of those features MM was on stood to make way more money than a journalist from Ohio does, and NONE of those specials did any independent research.
They only recycled the canon already published, which is widely regarded as entirely flawed in addition to being poorly investigated on the police level. The hatred isn't here, from what I've seen, but the facebook page admins have deleted comments and members supporting him, and there is a rabid anti-Renner commenting faction that writes unintelligible, illiterate junk in his comments section every day.
Its effing stupid to discount good research

the new big picture is the same as the old big picture, Lauren...rabid dislike to hatred for anyone or anything but the party line.
thank you for moving around on topix and FB to collect the info.
tag - renner is "it".

Lauren wrote:

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My post was referring to Facebook which is administered by someone under the direction of Fred. I have never been to this Facebook site. And never will. I have had quite enough of Fred/Helena controlled hatred forums. First Hate the NH locals, now Hate Renner.

oops - missed this post before commenting to you about FB.
regardless, you know the party line is alive and well and served up with a stinkin' heap of hatred.

the facebook page admins have deleted comments and members supporting him, and there is a rabid anti-Renner commenting faction that writes unintelligible, illiterate junk in his comments section every day.

The above sentence is written by "kitten" and she is describing the Facebook page on Maura which is controlled by someone under Fred's direction. She is posting this on Topix Amherst. Trying to clarify, I'm not sure what I wrote was clear. Thanks Snowy for 'getting it'. My only comment at this time is: Some things never change. There's just got to be someone out there to direct your hatred toward, one target dies (SBD), no problem we just get another target.
Renner had no idea what a snakepit he was stepping into.

Lauren wrote:

the facebook page admins have deleted comments and members supporting him, and there is a rabid anti-Renner commenting faction that writes unintelligible, illiterate junk in his comments section every day.
The above sentence is written by "kitten" and she is describing the Facebook page on Maura which is controlled by someone under Fred's direction. She is posting this on Topix Amherst. Trying to clarify, I'm not sure what I wrote was clear. Thanks Snowy for 'getting it'. My only comment at this time is: Some things never change. There's just got to be someone out there to direct your hatred toward, one target dies (SBD), no problem we just get another target.
Renner had no idea what a snakepit he was stepping into.

But why all the hatred? Anyone that actually gets off their butts and tries to help is chased away. I just don't get it.
Why would anyone care how deep someone digs if it would uncover some useful information. Poor Renner has his work cut out for him.

mlfrdde will save you!

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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But why all the hatred? Anyone that actually gets off their butts and tries to help is chased away. I just don't get it.
Why would anyone care how deep someone digs if it would uncover some useful information. Poor Renner has his work cut out for him.

they're hiding something about maura from the public, and they've been throwing out red herrings for years.
whiston endlessly begged for info about her prior life, and it wasn't forthcoming. now renner is actively moving to take action in that direction, hence the hatred.

Snowy wrote:

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wait, wait, wait, wait, wait!!!! you mean it's been ok for the character assaults on several strangers, fueled by "the family" in the name of MM? and even encouraging knocks on their doors to accuse them in person?
no....surely you are not saying it is so, SB.
i mean, any family would soon realize it is unproductive to pursue the repeated bashing of strangers in northern NH and then expecting...civility....in return. the point is that it doesn't work that way.

I think you are beginning to understand me better. No, attacks and accusations without proof are not OK. I have always felt that some in the local area know more than they have said in public, but that in no way means that they haven't said more to LE or that it means anything other than some reason not to say more in public. Some people who I will not name have made statements that are or appear to be contradictory or strange in some way. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. This can apply to people in Nh and/or to people in MA. Is that more clear?

I'm not so sure that what the family has been doing is"throwing red herrings." If you had a relative who vanished, i don't know that you'd want every detial of their lives exposed to public scrutiny. I understand that a public inquiry does to some extent mean that there WILL be scrutiny, but I don't think they need to like it. It may be as simple as that. In precisely the same way (trying to avoid the use of caps), people in NH may not want to have their doors knocked upon, their premises searched, etc. and that doesn't mean that they are "throwing red herrings" either, does it? I simply think that we don't have enough actual evidence to say whether something is an intentional diversion or not. Something that seems odd to any of us may well have a perfectly innocent explanation.

sophie bean wrote:

I'm not so sure that what the family has been doing is"throwing red herrings." If you had a relative who vanished, i don't know that you'd want every detial of their lives exposed to public scrutiny. I understand that a public inquiry does to some extent mean that there WILL be scrutiny, but I don't think they need to like it. It may be as simple as that. In precisely the same way (trying to avoid the use of caps), people in NH may not want to have their doors knocked upon, their premises searched, etc. and that doesn't mean that they are "throwing red herrings" either, does it? I simply think that we don't have enough actual evidence to say whether something is an intentional diversion or not. Something that seems odd to any of us may well have a perfectly innocent explanation.

in the case of a vanished relative,'most' families give as much information and details as deemed helpful and necessary in order for the public to assist in locating the missing person. perhaps the authorities advise them, as well, such that an active investigation isn't compromised by those revelations. we often see the appeals from parents and relatives in the media.

in this instance, folks claiming to have knowledge of MM's life prior to her disappearance have eagerly thrown out imprecise, contradictory and wholly incorrect info; 'red herrings' to divert....especially when the conversation hits on a sensitive area.
this, while simultaneously making accusations about NH residents and authorities in the vicinity of where her car landed.

i realize i'm nearly repeating what i've previously written here...but i believe it. the folks that originally gathered under the big top, and later swam in the same pond, have very suspiciously and vigorously maintained and defended a party line for over 7 years....even today.

renner has revealed more facts to the public in a few months than all of the online discussions about MM in nearly 8 years. impressive!

sophie bean wrote:

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I think you are beginning to understand me better. No, attacks and accusations without proof are not OK. I have always felt that some in the local area know more than they have said in public, but that in no way means that they haven't said more to LE or that it means anything other than some reason not to say more in public. Some people who I will not name have made statements that are or appear to be contradictory or strange in some way. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. This can apply to people in Nh and/or to people in MA. Is that more clear?

no, not too clear....but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt in terms of what you may think you know from what you've heard.
our difference lies with the your previous claim to NH's being unsafe; but we don't need to revisit that debate today or any time soon.
it would be wonderful if she were found to be alive; and only slightly maddening to know so much energy and resources have been spent looking. at least that would be the most favorable outcome!

Wicked Local wrote:

<quoted text> So are you saying that NH Police/ NH State Police and other Agencies are covering Maura and Patrics Deaths???
Why for God's Sake would they do that.

That would make sense if a cop was involved to keep them from being sued.