Maura Murray

Lee wrote:

Beagle you think?

I try not to. I hear it wears out the synaptic gaps.

Beagle wrote:

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Other than the distance question, the reason for asking these questions was, I thought, fairly clear. I apologize if it seemed otherwise to you.
People have often questioned why Maura would drive the Corolla to the Hadley motel from ABC and then back to campus (where was it parked when she was socializing in the dorm?) and then back to the motel in the wee hours. Good question. Could be lots of good answers, but it seems rather possible that she wasn't driving the Corolla at all that Saturday night.
Most UMass students unfamiliar with the area - and there are many such students - would have taken a different route from SW dorms to the Hadley motel. They would have driven down Mass Ave to Russell St.
This tells me that Maura had taken the "back way" route before. Which tells me she was less likely to crash at that intersection than someone unfamiliar with it. You only need to go through that intersection once or twice to know where to stop. So I'm guessing - and it's just a toss-out-there GUESS, that someone other than Maura was driving the Corolla, maybe someone who had never driven through the intersection or someone driving heavily impaired. Or both.
If so, then this person might have called Maura to come down to the intersection, which she could have walked to in about 15 minutes. Or Maura could, if uninjured and not very drunk, have run to the crash site in about 6-8 minutes.
Earlier, Citigirl asked about area homes from which a call could have been made. That's not a bad question.

Thanks for explaining everything Beagle.

Lee wrote:

Beagle you think?

But seriously, I agree with WTH/Bill. I think it's all an open question. Almost anything's possible.

One of the key things I know is that I'm one of the few (maybe the only) western MA resident to have been asked (Memorial Day weekend, 2011) by a prominent western MA PI, who is very familiar with Maura's disappearance, whether or not I killed her. So it would seem that there is more of an on-going focus on western MA than is publicly known. Or maybe I'm stepping on someone's toes?

havn't found anything yet about the description of the truck but I found this interesting.

Here's Lady Gray's post #1200 on Topix at page 59

Lady Gray

I have cut and pasted below RO's description of the truck and her experience that night:

&quot;I wish I could give an exact description of the truck but I can not. I was walking that night about 7 p.m to the local store. As I was walking up the hill, a truck passed me and slowed down. When it got to the middle of the hill it stopped in the road. I immediately looked at the plate and noticed it was from Massachusetts. There is only 1 street light there and I could not tell how many people were in the vehicle. As I got closer to the truck it took off up the hill. When I rounded the corner to the store, I could see the truck in the driveway of the store. As I walked into the parking lot, which is well lit, the truck took off toward the crash site,(of course at that time I did not know there was a crash).

As for the red truck, it slowed, then stopped and waited for me to get closer, then took off up the hill. He did not leave the store parking lot in any sort of hurry.

When I entered the store I asked if she saw the people in that truck and she said no, no one had come in. I told her about them stopping in the hill. Then we just forgot about it. I stood in the store a while and was there when the police and ambulance went by. I never saw that truck again. The only way I can describe it is that it looked like someone who delivered wood. That was my first thought about it........red, MA plates and delivered wood. Either having a wood body or even just slats in the body. It was not a king cab or extra cab. Just a regular truck. That is all I can tell you.

I was in the Swiftwater store for 1/2 hour - 45 minutes. It was about 20-30 minutes after I was there that the police went by. I am not at all Maura's size and in fact I was bundled up that night. I believe I caught the truck off guard as I was walking well off the road and as they passed I walked back on, which is why I believe they stopped completely. They could not see me without any street lights and maybe went to the store and waited for me to get up there to get a better look??? I don't know. That is just how it seemed to me.

The truck didn't scare me. My thought is that they/he/she thought I was someone else. That is what I was thinking that night. When I saw them sitting at the store, I again thought, they really think I am someone else. And as I got closer and I could see the driver moving around - I was thinking, there, I am not the person you are looking for, and he drove off. I wish to God I could remember what I was wearing that night, but I can't.

Someone asked about the truck and whether it was 4 wheel drive. I believe it was. I have been looking at trucks and have determined that it was definitely a four wheel drive or at least it was a 3/4 ton pick up, because it sat up high. The other thing I remember is that the window in the back was hard to see in....it wasn't very large.....which tells me it was an older truck maybe???&quot;
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I'll be spending the night in the big field down the road (with Ray's permission, I should add). If you need to talk to me, see me an hour or so after daylight.

Lauren wrote:

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You couldn't understand this because it is a virtual impossibility for someone to remember several months later that such an insignificant, minor detail in their daily life occurred at exactly 7:11 pm on Feb 9. And she never really made it clear exactly what it was that she did hear and how it might relate to Maura.
But My God how they loved that little scanner story. And it put Ann on the map. She was a celebrity! One of the big MMM heroes. She reveled in the attention. No one ever expressed doubt as to how she could remember such an insignificant non-event so many months after it allegedly occurred. But it made Ann an instant newly minted "expert" on Maura's disappearance.I guess lonely, bored people do these things to invest a little excitement into their pathetic lives.

The story did make a big hit with those gullible enough to believe it didn't it.

jwb wrote:

havn't found anything yet about the description of the truck but I found this interesting.
Here's Lady Gray's post #1200 on Topix at page 59
Lady Gray
I have cut and pasted below RO's description of the truck and her experience that night:
&quot;I wish I could give an exact description of the truck but I can not. I was walking that night about 7 p.m to the local store. As I was walking up the hill, a truck passed me and slowed down. When it got to the middle of the hill it stopped in the road. I immediately looked at the plate and noticed it was from Massachusetts. There is only 1 street light there and I could not tell how many people were in the vehicle. As I got closer to the truck it took off up the hill. When I rounded the corner to the store, I could see the truck in the driveway of the store. As I walked into the parking lot, which is well lit, the truck took off toward the crash site,(of course at that time I did not know there was a crash).
As for the red truck, it slowed, then stopped and waited for me to get closer, then took off up the hill. He did not leave the store parking lot in any sort of hurry.
When I entered the store I asked if she saw the people in that truck and she said no, no one had come in. I told her about them stopping in the hill. Then we just forgot about it. I stood in the store a while and was there when the police and ambulance went by. I never saw that truck again. The only way I can describe it is that it looked like someone who delivered wood. That was my first thought about it........red, MA plates and delivered wood. Either having a wood body or even just slats in the body. It was not a king cab or extra cab. Just a regular truck. That is all I can tell you.
I was in the Swiftwater store for 1/2 hour - 45 minutes. It was about 20-30 minutes after I was there that the police went by. I am not at all Maura's size and in fact I was bundled up that night. I believe I caught the truck off guard as I was walking well off the road and as they passed I walked back on, which is why I believe they stopped completely. They could not see me without any street lights and maybe went to the store and waited for me to get up there to get a better look??? I don't know. That is just how it seemed to me.
The truck didn't scare me. My thought is that they/he/she thought I was someone else. That is what I was thinking that night. When I saw them sitting at the store, I again thought, they really think I am someone else. And as I got closer and I could see the driver moving around - I was thinking, there, I am not the person you are looking for, and he drove off. I wish to God I could remember what I was wearing that night, but I can't.
Someone asked about the truck and whether it was 4 wheel drive. I believe it was. I have been looking at trucks and have determined that it was definitely a four wheel drive or at least it was a 3/4 ton pick up, because it sat up high. The other thing I remember is that the window in the back was hard to see in....it wasn't very large.....which tells me it was an older truck maybe???&quot;
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In 2004 I'm guessing that about 15-20 percent of MA plates were still green on a white background, the rest were red on a white background. Now it's maybe 5-15 percent are green. At least that's the way it is in western MA. The red plates have the month of registration expiration permanently embossed on them in the upper left corner. The green plates do not have this month feature.

It was Ben Franklin, a previous poster (who I miss!), who --years ago -- found that Edmund's truck review by a "Fred Murray" -- not me.

Also wanted to say (RUMOR) that there are "Dwyers" (related to Helena Dwyer?) living in Amherst --- so it's possible Maura had cousins there? Maybe 10+ years older than Maura was? Dunno -- just thinking about where Maura might have been planning to move to, out of her dorm room...

Good luck, detective. I'm rootin' for ya.

jwb wrote:

The truck didn't scare me. My thought is that they/he/she thought I was someone else. That is what I was thinking that night. When I saw them sitting at the store, I again thought, they really think I am someone else. And as I got closer and I could see the driver moving around - I was thinking, there, I am not the person you are looking for, and he drove off.

Thank you.

Beagle wrote:

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Did you state how you are related to Maura Murray on Topix/Franconia or somewhere else?
Since most Topix threads of "years back" are now deleted, are you able to repeat the answer you gave then?
Thank you.

Beagle I posted it on one of the the Franconia Topix threads that has been deleted. Im a distant cousin of Mauras.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Beagle I posted it on one of the the Franconia Topix threads that has been deleted. Im a distant cousin of Mauras.

Thank you and good luck. Everyone, I believe, wishes for the best outcome.

Lauren wrote:

CG: Have you ever met Maura? My understanding is that you are a distant relative of the Murray family.
We have had so many frauds on this forum. I'm not saying that you are not a relative. I know that you are. I just wonder if you ever actually met Maura.
But really, poor Maura has certainly attracted her share of frauds, they have come out of the woodwork to stick their noses into this case. We had Peri the fake psychic, we had FireFraud the Murray family intimate and insider who it turned out had never, ever, not once met one member of the Murray family, had never been to NH, had never been to MA. And yet was able to convince everyone that she knew every little detail of the Murray family life and history. And she was able to convince the gullible that she was a College English Professor when in fact she was exposed to at one time be an Instructor in a Community College, nothing against CCs but still, it is a big difference.
Also I was very confused to see Shack praising you after you had said the locals were good, kind, helpful people and Shack had described these very same people as the Devil Incarnate, people that should be exterminated with Lysol. I totally believe your description of them but you can see how a person could get confused as to what exactly is going on here. Why would Shack be supporting you when you are saying the very opposite of what she said. You can see why I and others would be confused.

Yes I have met Maura in the past. Im a distant relative to Maura. My Mom is a Murray as well as my aunts uncles and cousins. I can only be responsible for what I post. Im not responsible for what others post.

Would the berieved father really bother writing truck reviews online just 7 days after his daughter disappeared?

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/t100/1996/consu...

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Yes I have met Maura in the past. Im a distant relative to Maura. My Mom is a Murray as well as my aunts uncles and cousins. I can only be responsible for what I post. Im not responsible for what others post.

Your mom and your aunts uncles and cousins??? Wonder what percentage of inbreeding that would be...

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Yes I have met Maura in the past. Im a distant relative to Maura. My Mom is a Murray as well as my aunts uncles and cousins. I can only be responsible for what I post. Im not responsible for what others post.

Thank you for answering my question.

Coincidentally the owner of the landscaping business is about Maura´s age, he was born in 1980. Could they possibly have known each other?

hannah_b wrote:

Would the berieved father really bother writing truck reviews online just 7 days after his daughter disappeared?
http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/t100/1996/consu...

yep. anything's possible. and, yes, Quija, it was Ben Franklin who researched the original link.

I think I'll get naked.

jwb wrote:

not to change gears but I haven't heard a word about the skull that was found in littleton.

Very good question - I've heard only a rumor that "testing" had been completed to determine if it was human. Is it actually necessary to have "testing" to determine whether it's human or not? I would have thought that it would be comparatively easy for a pathologist to determine simply by experience.