Maura Murray

Torn wrote:

Mr. Powell was murdered in his home in Warren.
The murderer lived on Rte.25 in Benton within 5
miles of Pike, Lyme Kiln Rd and Lily Pond Rd.

Getting closer. So the murderer lived 5 miles from Pike. If the murder statistics listed where the murderers came from instead of where the murder occurred then this would be highly significant. But, it lists where the murder occurred, in Warren. I am still having trouble drawing a connection here. Is it that withing a 15 miles radius over 30 years there has been 2 or god help maybe even 5 murders which is unlikely? Is that supposed to make me go screaming from the area in fear for my life? Or like one person suggested, who shall remain, as she has been, nameless. That I should stay away and shun the area because of its astonishingly high crime rate? Come down to Hartford, CT on any weekend. If you want to fear for your lives, I'll direct you to areas where there is terror in abundance.

Sleep well people of NH.

In memory of SBD

Bill

WTF.....
I never said they were the same town, I was simply stating the close proximity of the crimes. These crimes were all MURDERS and were all committed within this area in a 6 year time period....not 30 years!
You can say whatever You want, but You live in CT. where this crap happens all the time. You can have it, We don't want it.!
SO....If You ever decide to move to NH, LEAVE all that crap there because there is enough here already.
Oh...and just so You know I am a native of Northern N.H. I am 51 and have been traveling these roads since I was a child with My Parents. I know the roads here like the back of My hand.
Close Proximity.........

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Definition: close by physically

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K-9 handler wrote:

WTF.....
I never said they were the same town, I was simply stating the close proximity of the crimes. These crimes were all MURDERS and were all committed within this area in a 6 year time period....not 30 years!
You can say whatever You want, but You live in CT. where this crap happens all the time. You can have it, We don't want it.!
SO....If You ever decide to move to NH, LEAVE all that crap there because there is enough here already.
Oh...and just so You know I am a native of Northern N.H. I am 51 and have been traveling these roads since I was a child with My Parents. I know the roads here like the back of My hand.
Close Proximity.........

Well for what it is worth. I am similar age, have been going to the White mountains regularly for 25 years now, vacations, camping, hiking, kayaking, etc. Though I live in CT for work, I actually own a condo and a House in NH for almost 20 years and I love NH. I have lived in different countries and several states and I CHOOSE to live in NH. I don't know the Haverhill area as well as I know the forest and towns East of I-93 but I know it well enough having been through it often enough. NH is where my wife and I hope to retire. And have been coming to whenever we have free time for these last 25 years. I was a Sargent in charge of a Scout platoon in an infantry battalion in the army and have been involved with SAR and teaching SAR for many years. I have been involved in SAR activities with NH SAR agencies several times in both the SAR and wilderness medical capacity. So I do know the area, and the people.

And you can actually make that circle around Haverhill very large and go back many years and still not come up with more than a dozen murders in that area in 50 years. We will have to agree to disagree with what is considered "close proximity" because I still own a map and have driven the roads in question and what constitutes a crime wave.

In memory of SBD

Bill

In memory of SBD
sarcastic

Super Tuff wrote:

In memory of SBD
sarcastic

Well aren't you special. And I do mean that in the short bus kind of way.

In memory of SBD (no sarcasm on my part)

Bill

And.....I never said it was a crime wave. I would really like to meet You sometime just to see how BIG your HEAD really is.

And.....Your bedside manner leaves a lot to be desired.

Just Thinking..!

K-9 handler wrote:

And.....I never said it was a crime wave. I would really like to meet You sometime just to see how BIG your HEAD really is.
And.....Your bedside manner leaves a lot to be desired.
Just Thinking..!

You see, and now you have gone and hurt my feelings.

And it might interest you to know that I have have letters sent to my chief from patients and parents of patients of mine, thanking me for my treatment and care of them or their children. So - I guess your wrong again about my bedside manner. Think Harder...

In memory of SBD

Bill

could be that the ones wielding that lysol can should turn it around and direct it at themselves. at the very least, they'll failed to connect the dots while feeding on conspiracy theories about roaming serial killers. there is some odd fixation and obsession with murder on these forums....and little to no evidence that MM was a victim of either abduction or homicide.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Yep! If you want real criminal action and lots of it, Haverhill, NH in Grafton county is the place to be. A murder every 30 or so years.

Sounds like a real hotbed of violent activity to me. A group of mindless thugs that the four of which together couldn't create a decent human being. And that happens how often, every 30 or 40 years. Contrast that with Hartford, CT. They'll shoot you in your car while sitting around. Nightly, often enough, several times a night.

As usual, you distort what was stated in order to spin things your way and detract from what occured.

Fact is, those kids were born and raised in that town. Does that mean all people in that town have this mindset? No, of course not. But some obviously do because the murder of Chris Gray was planned and carried out by local residents.

Your judgement on whether "4 people can create a decent human being", whatever that is supposed to mean, has no bearing on what happened. The point is it did happen and considering that an inmate in Grafton County jail helped to plan it via phone calls that were recorded, indicates it could have been stopped had anyone been paying attention.
That was my point, in case you missed the obvious.

Instead you chose to compare Haverhill to Hartford where people are killed nightly as if we should count our blessings that only Chris Gray has been murdered in the last 30 years. I consider that an extremely insensitive remark. I'm sure his family doesn't see it that way and neither do I.

When I pointed out 2 other murders that occurred, you again shifted gears to ridicule me and claim that Mr. Powell's murder did not occur in the same town. I never said they did. Indelicato lived in the area in question although the murder of Mr. Powell was in Warren 15 miles away.

By the way, Hartford is 18 square miles, larger than the distance to Warren, so how does that fit into your apples to oranges comparison?

Tom Conrad was a local shot to death in his own driveway.

For the record, I'm not trying to connect these murders as the work of a serial killer or imply that is what happened to Maura or anyone else.

"A hot bed of violence"?? I never stated any such thing. These events hapened in an area that you and Snowy are convinced contains only innocent people ... Obviously you are wrong.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Sophie, is that you?

another priceless comment

concerned citizen wrote:

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For the record, I'm not trying to connect these murders as the work of a serial killer or imply that is what happened to Maura or anyone else.
"A hot bed of violence"?? I never stated any such thing. These events hapened in an area that you and Snowy are convinced contains only innocent people ... Obviously you are wrong.

oh, but the map plotting the murdered and missing over a period of 30 years was a strong attempt "to connect these murders as the work of a serial killer or imply that is what happened to Maura or anyone else." indeed, it was. as was the push to relate Patric's death.
and all fear mongering, which the majority of us don't buy into. it is irrational.
hartford...alas.....if you want to know real fear. i grew up in the suburbs there, and recall the civilized and lovely years of not a particularly vibrant, but interesting and culturally rich city. that it is now truly unsafe to linger at a stoplight in a car at the wrong places is a reality. i think Bill was just trying to put your runaway fears in perspective.
ditto Chicago.
and elsewhere.
gang violence is something to truly fear and abhor.
NH is, by most, if not all standards, safe.

concerned citizen wrote:

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Does that mean all people in that town have this mindset? No, of course not.

And there is the point and you have managed to answer your question.

concerned citizen wrote:

<quoted text> Your judgement on whether "4 people can create a decent human being", whatever that is supposed to mean, has no bearing on what happened.

Again, you have to love people that don’t read what is written. What I said was that the four of them combined didn’t make a single decent human being.

concerned citizen wrote:

<quoted text> The point is it did happen and considering that an inmate in Grafton County jail helped to plan it via phone calls that were recorded, indicates it could have been stopped had anyone been paying attention.

I know how the murder occurred according to the newspaper reports. Who was supposed to be paying attention? That a criminal in jail planned other criminal activities isn’t a surprise where I live. Maybe it is to you. These four were a waste of human space. You can find then all over.

concerned citizen wrote:

<quoted text> By the way, Hartford is 18 square miles, larger than the distance to Warren, so how does that fit into your apples to oranges comparison?

The areas in question in Hartford are only 4 square blocks or so in size, not the entire city. Per capita I suspect that there are far more criminal elements in that small four block area in Hartford than the entire population of that radius from Haverhill to Warren. Apples to Apples.

concerned citizen wrote:

<quoted text> When I pointed out 2 other murders that occurred, you again shifted gears to ridicule me and claim that Mr. Powell's murder did not occur in the same town. I never said they did. Indelicato lived in the area in question although the murder of Mr. Powell was in Warren 15 miles away.

I thought I was the one who pointed that out. Again, apples to apples. I am sure if you ferret around you might find murders over the border in VT that you can try to link into the “area” Make sure you also go back 50 years to skew any data to your way of thinking.

concerned citizen wrote:

<quoted text> events hapened in an area that you and Snowy are convinced contains only innocent people ... Obviously you are wrong.

And of course neither of us stated any such thing. I and others have stated that ANY area can contain a criminal element. What I did say was that the lies and innuendo that was created and maintained from 6 years ago had no basis in fact and that is still true and I don’t believe in psychics. She didn't predict that this would happen.

In memory of SBD

Bill

What might have happened if this courageous man did not fight back.? He could be in his house injured or WORSE.....MURDRERED.

This is about 20 miles from where Mr. Powell was MURDERED, in close proximity.!
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Sept. 13th 2010

BRISTOL, N.H.-- A Bristol man said he fought back when his own neighbor attacked and robbed him on his doorstep Monday afternoon.

David Powden said he was just getting home at about 4 p.m. Monday when the man who lives across the street, 34-year-old Christopher Patten, came up behind him and shoved him against door jam.

"He was feeling me all over and he was saying,'Where's your wallet? Where's your wallet?'" Powden said.

Powden said he hit Patten back as hard as he could.

Police said Patten ran across the street to his apartment. Investigators were called to the scene and waited outside the home until they got a search warrant to go in.

"Upon entry of the residence, we were able to locate some belongings that were in fact from the victim," Bristol Police Department Chief Mike Lewis said.

Lewis said that police do not yet know the motive for the attack. Powden said he was not hurt in the incident, but was just shaken up.

"I can't imagine it happening in Bristol. Bristol's always been a very quiet town. Time's change," Powden said.

Patten has been charged with robbery, two counts of simple assault and possession of stolen property. He is expected to appear in court Tuesday.

Powden said he hopes that his neighbor moves out for good once the court proceedings are done.

Hmmmmm. I wonder if the driver was drunk, or just wanted to stretch his/her legs after the rollover? No point on checking on the other occupants. They should be fine. Times a wasting, gotta run.

I wonder if this is a crime in VT? This almost never happens in real life. Ask some of the other posters on this site. What is true, is that it is almost never reported in the press. Happens way too often. Only news when there is a serious injury. Not damage to wine boxes.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20...

In memory of SBD

Bill

WHAT?

K-9 handler wrote:

WHAT?

Again, you haven't been here long enough. The old timers will know what this is in reference to.

Thanks goodness SBD wasn't in the area or some people here would be accusing him of kidnapping this runaway also if he had seen him/her.

In memory of SBD

Bill

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concerned citizen wrote:

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Speaking of foolish statements, the idea that a murder only happens once every 30 years must be a real comfort to Chris Gray's family and friends.
Probably makes Tom Conrad's and Mr. Powell's families feel all warm and fuzzy too, Mr. Sensitivity.
One murder is too many regardless of where it occurs.

Point well taken! Thank you for sanity.