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Anne wrote:

someone online, in the darkness, hidden. Tries to destroy his reputation with innuendo, lies, mistruths. A reputation built over decades. Not a shred of evidence anywhere but she goes after him like a monkey after a cupcake. In the process, not only does she attempt to destroy his reputation, but she continues on to insinuate that others in the area including the police and “big wigs” are somehow all involved in an abduction, murder and cover-up. With no evidence to even suggest such a thing. No evidence to even suggest any crime was committed.
You might feel that what she has done can be ignored. I don’t feel that way. What she did can and likely did have a chilling effect on the people of that area and should be a warning of what these actions unchecked, could have on any other future event like this. Allowing her to get away with this would likely show anyone else thinking of getting involved in such an event. Look what happened to SBD. Its better I don’t stop, I don’t help. I don’t want to get involved, I don’t want to tell anyone what I know. I would subject myself and my family and my community to scrutiny by anyone with bats in their belfry and a computer. Better to just move along. SBD is a martyr and was a brave voice.
In memory of SBD
Bill]Hello Bill. Your goals puzzle and disturb me, ie:(you want to keep a poster in check). Then you state fun and entertainment. These are fairly aggressive statements and most definitely sad. I believe you have taken this as a challange to destroy apparent statements from another poster. The SBD is a witness to a disappearance, nothing more, nothing less. You have created exactly what you wanted, the martyr. It seems to me, you have taken on this subversive, aggressive action as a job with a projected timeline even!
I disagree that the SBD is a hero. He did what anyone in this area would do, he stopped to help a stranded motorist. His own ambivilant, inconsistant statements got him in trouble. His statements were looked at closely and should be. He was not bullied. Bill, this is my opinion, I have looked closely at this diversion you have created and still wonder why? The chilling effect of this embellishment is puzzling and effectively limits discussion.

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Snowy wrote:

a group of women, oddly connected, fancy themselves to be judge and jury in the disappearance, quite some time ago, of a young woman they do not know and never met.
they have attached themselves like velcro to a mission....day and night vigilance, by proxy and from a distance, of certain individuals around the area where she might have last been seen.
Bill focuses on a chief misinformer and carrier of old news to assist in diverting her from spreading her toxins. he uses facts and logic to counter her ignorance, accusations and innuendo. a proper and healthy mission.
it is certain that this undercurrent has affected the opinions of local residents, some of whom state they will be reluctant to assist strangers in need in the future for fear of being falsely accused.
anyone can be a poor witness, as SBD might have been.
that he endured being unfairly and mercilessly attacked makes him heroic in the opinions of some, as he was targeted and bullied to the very end of his life and beyond.
february will mark the beginning of round 7.

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Anne wrote:

Bill]Hello Bill. Your goals puzzle and disturb me, ie:(you want to keep a poster in check). Then you state fun and entertainment. These are fairly aggressive statements and most definitely sad. I believe you have taken this as a challange to destroy apparent statements from another poster. The SBD is a witness to a disappearance, nothing more, nothing less. You have created exactly what you wanted, the martyr. It seems to me, you have taken on this subversive, aggressive action as a job with a projected timeline even!
I disagree that the SBD is a hero. He did what anyone in this area would do, he stopped to help a stranded motorist. His own ambivilant, inconsistant statements got him in trouble. His statements were looked at closely and should be. He was not bullied. Bill, this is my opinion, I have looked closely at this diversion you have created and still wonder why? The chilling effect of this embellishment is puzzling and effectively limits discussion.

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WTF-the-original wrote:

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Wow. Anne, you can't really be stating that the diversion was created by me. That would be a real rewrite of history if you are trying to say that. I don't consider that there has been any embellishment by me. What are you considering to be an embellishment? You were here for this debacle by her. You know. How you can make some of these statements is beyond me. Clearly there are others here that don't remember things the way you do. Certainly, I don't. I'm sorry that you are puzzled and disturbed but again, this has nothing to do with you. It has to do with her. You may continue to post anything of interest or possibly use you wish with no response from me. Again, I am only here to keep her in check until anything, A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G of use is brought up in this forum. Then, I only need to keep her from poisoning the atmosphere. I should also point out, that if you have any interest in making friends, conversing with her by email, meeting you for coffee, inviting her over to your house to schmooze. There is nothing preventing you from doing this. You could even start your own forum with you, her and everyone else in the world allowed, with the exception of me. No problem. If you think her input is actually that useful, I would suggest that you do that. Somehow, I think that won't happen because I know, you know, how useless she is.
And Anne, to be frank, do you really see anything on this forum that even remotely gives the appearance of forward movement in this case? And how can you even suggest, that my keeping her from re-poisoning this forum I am doing any possible disservice?
In memory of SBD
Bill

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Wowzer wrote:

<quoted text>Time to pull one's head out of whatever dark place it's been in and open eyes because for some reason you can't seem to see the truth.
You have the gall to say that Bill is being aggessive for trying to keep the biggest attacker of the people of this area from doing any further damage?? Where the hel* were you when the people here were being attacked, called names and wrongly accused? You make me sick.

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Wowzer wrote:

<quoted text>Time to pull one's head out of whatever dark place it's been in and open eyes because for some reason you can't seem to see the truth.
You have the gall to say that Bill is being aggessive for trying to keep the biggest attacker of the people of this area from doing any further damage?? Where the hel* were you when the people here were being attacked, called names and wrongly accused? You make me sick.

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Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Bill, This world is made up with people like you, me and shack. To subject an individual to coerceion enough to prevent discussion is how our wars are justified. You are an intelligent person whom is allowing emotion to control your choices. You are choosing to bully one poster. I just wish it were different and you would choose to examine Maura's disappearance with judgement withheld.

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Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Wowzer, I love this area I live in and am proud and lucky to live here. Everyplace has their underlying criminal element including haverhill area. There has definitely been an increase in major crime in a small town and a limited area of that town. My husband and I never blamed our children's disagreements on the other child, our kids had to stand up for their actions. More than that, they had to find the solution toward resolution. My extended family are productive community members of Woodsville NH.

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Snowy wrote:

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the head is stuck in the darkness, Wowzer. her reply did not touch on the issue of attacks/name calling, and the wrongly accused local residents. no surprises.
Bill's clear complaints detailed over many, many months are glossed over and turned against him with a counter-accusation. again, no surprises.

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Wowzer wrote:

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There's been years of practice at skirting around any issue that a few here don't want to talk about. They are very good at it.
They will never admit that their buddy was wrong to be so mean, nasty and vile even though as Bill has already said the person was asked many times to stop with the nastiness as it was only doing damage. But that person didn't stop and the damage is done and I no longer have any interest in trying to help the very people that said we people that live in this area were rats in a nest and the area should be sprayed with Lysol.
So Anne can keep covering her eyes and claim it never happened but the ones that were watching and participating in the forums thru the years know the truth.

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Wowzer wrote:

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There's been years of practice at skirting around any issue that a few here don't want to talk about. They are very good at it.
They will never admit that their buddy was wrong to be so mean, nasty and vile even though as Bill has already said the person was asked many times to stop with the nastiness as it was only doing damage. But that person didn't stop and the damage is done and I no longer have any interest in trying to help the very people that said we people that live in this area were rats in a nest and the area should be sprayed with Lysol.
So Anne can keep covering her eyes and claim it never happened but the ones that were watching and participating in the forums thru the years know the truth.

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concerned citizen wrote:

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I wonder what would have happened if a certain "rat's nest" up on Lyme Kiln Road had been "sprayed with Lysol" ?
Instead of being brutally murdered, maybe Chris Gray would be alive today.
Charming neighborhood.

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WTF-the-original wrote:

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Yep! If you want real criminal action and lots of it, Haverhill, NH in Grafton county is the place to be. A murder every 30 or so years.
Sounds like a real hotbed of violent activity to me. A group of mindless thugs that the four of which together couldn't create a decent human being. And that happens how often, every 30 or 40 years. Contrast that with Hartford, CT. They'll shoot you in your car while sitting around. Nightly, often enough, several times a night.
You should refrain from making statements that make you appear foolish - if you can.
In memory of SBD
William T. Franklin

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concerned citizen wrote:

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Speaking of foolish statements, the idea that a murder only happens once every 30 years must be a real comfort to Chris Gray's family and friends.
Probably makes Tom Conrad's and Mr. Powell's families feel all warm and fuzzy too, Mr. Sensitivity.
One murder is too many regardless of where it occurs.

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K-9 handler wrote:

WTF.....
So apparently You don't consider within 15 miles a close proximity.? And all this has happened in the past ....What.....6 YEARS. Hmmmmmmm
Seems You are OFF by about 24 Years or so. This is just an observation on MY part.
Chew on that.

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If you consider Haverhill to be the same town as Warren, I wonder how you ever get to a search area. At least get to one and be useful.
I know k-9 handlers typically don't do a lot of map and compass work but I find it hard to believe you don't use road maps. 15 miles away from your search area would tend to make you pretty useless, but maybe that is how you work. I have never met you.
Bite me. Get it - dog - chew on this - bite me ;)
I have all day if you want to keep insisting that Haverhill and Warren are actually the same town but I would suggest looking at a map before you embarrass yourself further. Especially if you consider yourself to be some sort of SAR professional or even volunteer.
In memory of SBD
Bill