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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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just me wrote: <quoted text>Since when is answering a question off topic and spam too? This is the truth and I don't understand it either, so I get the nutts because it is nutts. press the 'ignore' button, just me.:)
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oo00oo
Tucson, AZ
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just me wrote: <quoted text>Oh, I didn't request it, it was just sent to me. And I just stared at it in awe, because i really didn't expect to see that she was a housekeeper. Helena had told me she worked at Darmouth Hitchcock at some point early on. Bethtold me she was there the night that someone who was attacked came in. I just assumed she may have been a nurse, LE, I really don't recall. But then beth sent me the Shawdow of death book and mentioned where to look for that experience. I still have that book, but heck if I know what it means....that she was there, etc. Obviously she was a story teller?? Still confused as to how the death certificate wound up being mailed to you. Someone had to have requested this, as you are not family. Thanks
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just me
Andover, MN
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oo00oo wrote: <quoted text>
Obviously she was a story teller?? Still confused as to how the death certificate wound up being mailed to you. Someone had to have requested this, as you are not family.
Thanks I was contacted by the PI, well after Beths death via email. I was on the email list. The email had an attatchment, and it was the document. I could see all the others names, some I know from the MMM group. The PI was ranting and making her case that Beth had been steering the investigation in the wrong ways and was by no means qualified to be running the show, or even in the show. From that first email from Beth at snewzertripod, I became an email buddy. One day while reading one of the forums, I got an instant message. It was Beth. She had made up an email account for AOL, she said, so no one could see when she was online. I have had AOL from day one. Anyway, Beth would instant message me about the case whenever she saw that I was online. One week after Beth died, Helena called me to ask if the detectives had gotten ahold of me yet. She asked me if I ever felt "stalked" by Beth. And all I can say is it made my blood run cold, I will not elaborate. I suspect that is why I was included in the whole mess and sent the death certificate. But I don't have much to say. The emails and instant messaging was pretty much like this Topix forum. Alot of tossing around ideas, and some of it turned out to be false. I know that Beth was analizing the Indelicato case. She was reviewing his daughters dark poetry. She had access to everything as an administator on the MMM forum and had taken alot of info, alot of liberties and was not supposed to have had access to thoses poems. Beth was very interested in the Valley killings at the time Maura went missing. Helena had a hard copy of the shawdow of death by her computer too. I'm sure Helena really thought Beth would be a great help. I have no idea what kind of stories, if any, she would have told Helena to gain her trust. But like I say, Helena contacted her, sought her out, this I know for a fact
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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just me wrote: <quoted text> I was contacted by the PI, well after Beths death via email. I was on the email list. The email had an attatchment, and it was the document. I could see all the others names, some I know from the MMM group. The PI was ranting and making her case that Beth had been steering the investigation in the wrong ways and was by no means qualified to be running the show, or even in the show. From that first email from Beth at snewzertripod, I became an email buddy. One day while reading one of the forums, I got an instant message. It was Beth. She had made up an email account for AOL, she said, so no one could see when she was online. I have had AOL from day one. Anyway, Beth would instant message me about the case whenever she saw that I was online.
One week after Beth died, Helena called me to ask if the detectives had gotten ahold of me yet. She asked me if I ever felt "stalked" by Beth.
And all I can say is it made my blood run cold, I will not elaborate. I suspect that is why I was included in the whole mess and sent the death certificate. But I don't have much to say. The emails and instant messaging was pretty much like this Topix forum. Alot of tossing around ideas, and some of it turned out to be false. I know that Beth was analizing the Indelicato case. She was reviewing his daughters dark poetry. She had access to everything as an administator on the MMM forum and had taken alot of info, alot of liberties and was not supposed to have had access to thoses poems.
Beth was very interested in the Valley killings at the time Maura went missing. Helena had a hard copy of the shawdow of death by her computer too. I'm sure Helena really thought Beth would be a great help. I have no idea what kind of stories, if any, she would have told Helena to gain her trust. But like I say, Helena contacted her, sought her out, this I know for a fact thank you, once again, for your first person accounting....and when you cannot verify information as fact, you say so. the integrity of the online search for MM has been tainted by the manipulation of relevant information about MM's background, and associated people and places by the Murray family AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, all the while begging to "find Maura". facts were made intentionally scarce, and often took the form of speculation or outright misinformation, repeated over and over as truth. by way of another example, the insistence by Topix/team Maura that Maura was happily engaged and intending to marry Billy Rausch was apparently untrue. i suspect the motivation was/is the belief that the "killer" would reappear on Topix....and they'd crack the case. the dishonesty has come full circle, however, and has stunted the interest and efforts of the public to assist. it is disgusting to ask the general public for their help, and then, with intent and hostility, mislead that same public audience. Renner is a breath of fresh air.
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Pancake
Secaucus, NJ
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You are all nuts get a life of your own.
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oo00oo
Tucson, AZ
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just me wrote: <quoted text> I was contacted by the PI, well after Beths death via email. I was on the email list. The email had an attatchment, and it was the document. I could see all the others names, some I know from the MMM group. The PI was ranting and making her case that Beth had been steering the investigation in the wrong ways and was by no means qualified to be running the show, or even in the show. From that first email from Beth at snewzertripod, I became an email buddy. One day while reading one of the forums, I got an instant message. It was Beth. She had made up an email account for AOL, she said, so no one could see when she was online. I have had AOL from day one. Anyway, Beth would instant message me about the case whenever she saw that I was online.
One week after Beth died, Helena called me to ask if the detectives had gotten ahold of me yet. She asked me if I ever felt "stalked" by Beth.
And all I can say is it made my blood run cold, I will not elaborate. I suspect that is why I was included in the whole mess and sent the death certificate. But I don't have much to say. The emails and instant messaging was pretty much like this Topix forum. Alot of tossing around ideas, and some of it turned out to be false. I know that Beth was analizing the Indelicato case. She was reviewing his daughters dark poetry. She had access to everything as an administator on the MMM forum and had taken alot of info, alot of liberties and was not supposed to have had access to thoses poems.
Beth was very interested in the Valley killings at the time Maura went missing. Helena had a hard copy of the shawdow of death by her computer too. I'm sure Helena really thought Beth would be a great help. I have no idea what kind of stories, if any, she would have told Helena to gain her trust. But like I say, Helena contacted her, sought her out, this I know for a fact Thanks for explaining. Such a bizarre story.
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oo00oo
Tucson, AZ
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
facts were made intentionally scarce, and often took the form of speculation or outright misinformation, repeated over and over as truth.by way of another example, the insistence by Topix/team Maura that Maura was happily engaged and intending to marry Billy Rausch was apparently untrue. (partial quote) Aaaahhh, the "May" wedding. How persistent some were in stating this as fact. Speaking of persistent, whatever happened to Firecat? She is oddly absent.
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just me
Andover, MN
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In all fairness, Beth may have been like a breath of fresh air in the beginning too. She really did alot to search for Maura and spent alot of her free time going around and around asking questions, checking on leads, and countless hours online too, and all for free or little help. I mean she'd get gas cards and phone cards and lodging, but I know she spent above and beyond that kind of help. Even went to a garage sale at Mr Atwoods house, in cognito, or so she said, and truck stops. She said losing her voice wasa good thing in a way because people thought maybe she was deaf. She had to write everything down, even requests for cigarettes, because people couldn't understand her when she spoke. Anything to try and hear talk of Maura. I was just let down when i found out she was not who she "said" she was. Then again, I admit once again she DID let me think whatever I wanted to think by not correcting me. I was also disappointed to learn she was never in the army from her parents.
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just me
Andover, MN
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oo00oo wrote: <quoted text>
Thanks for explaining. Such a bizarre story. You're welcome and thanks for asking.
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R U Kidding
Franklin, NH
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“"Dancing with wolves"”
Since: Oct 10
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just me wrote: <quoted text> I was contacted by the PI, well after Beths death via email. I was on the email list. The email had an attatchment, and it was the document. I could see all the others names, some I know from the MMM group. The PI was ranting and making her case that Beth had been steering the investigation in the wrong ways and was by no means qualified to be running the show, or even in the show. From that first email from Beth at snewzertripod, I became an email buddy. One day while reading one of the forums, I got an instant message. It was Beth. She had made up an email account for AOL, she said, so no one could see when she was online. I have had AOL from day one. Anyway, Beth would instant message me about the case whenever she saw that I was online.
One week after Beth died, Helena called me to ask if the detectives had gotten ahold of me yet. She asked me if I ever felt "stalked" by Beth.
And all I can say is it made my blood run cold, I will not elaborate. I suspect that is why I was included in the whole mess and sent the death certificate. But I don't have much to say. The emails and instant messaging was pretty much like this Topix forum. Alot of tossing around ideas, and some of it turned out to be false. I know that Beth was analizing the Indelicato case. She was reviewing his daughters dark poetry. She had access to everything as an administator on the MMM forum and had taken alot of info, alot of liberties and was not supposed to have had access to thoses poems.
Beth was very interested in the Valley killings at the time Maura went missing. Helena had a hard copy of the shawdow of death by her computer too. I'm sure Helena really thought Beth would be a great help. I have no idea what kind of stories, if any, she would have told Helena to gain her trust. But like I say, Helena contacted her, sought her out, this I know for a fact Thank you for taking the time to explain all these things.It does answer some of the things I've wondered about. This isn't meant for you Justme because you were only one of the recipients but does anyone else find it strange and disturbing that a PI would get ahold of someone's death certificate and send a copy of it to a group of people on the internet? I find it quite disgusting but that's only my personal thoughts. And the family was so worried about the local NH people??? They should have been a lot more worried about the ones in their group of helpers IMHO. Wow!
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“"Dancing with wolves"”
Since: Oct 10
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oo00oo wrote: <quoted text>(partial quote)
Aaaahhh, the "May" wedding. How persistent some were in stating this as fact. Speaking of persistent, whatever happened to Firecat? She is oddly absent. I think she's still here either under a different name or just lurking. Could be wrong though.
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Lauren
North Falmouth, MA
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just me wrote: <quoted text>
She asked me if I ever felt "stalked" by Beth. Beth may have altered her resume,(like for instance Firefraud calling herself a college professor) but the fact remains Beth worked her ass off to help the Murray family find Maura, She used her time , energy, effort and money. And the thanks she gets???? After she is dead and cannot defend herself Helena implies she is a stalker? A Murray family characteristic? Fred attacked the two pro bono PIs who donated their time , energy and effort, when in fact, a simple thank you from Fred would have been more appropriate. And how about NHLE and all the hard work they did and all the taxpayers' money expended? Do they get a thank you? I think not. Fred vilified NHSP. I have the impression Beth was an armchair detective, came up with some info which someone didn't want revealed and so Murray and Co. turned against her.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Lauren wrote: <quoted text>
Beth may have altered her resume,(like for instance Firefraud calling herself a college professor) but the fact remains Beth worked her ass off to help the Murray family find Maura, She used her time , energy, effort and money. And the thanks she gets???? After she is dead and cannot defend herself Helena implies she is a stalker? A Murray family characteristic? Fred attacked the two pro bono PIs who donated their time , energy and effort, when in fact, a simple thank you from Fred would have been more appropriate. And how about NHLE and all the hard work they did and all the taxpayers' money expended? Do they get a thank you? I think not. Fred vilified NHSP. I have the impression Beth was an armchair detective, came up with some info which someone didn't want revealed and so Murray and Co. turned against her. Don't even get me started, I could blow the cap off your cazoo. You don't need to know anything more than you're reading here. But I will say this. It was in the subject line when Beth died and Helena felt the need to ask me. You're making a huge ball of wax and i hope you back off with it. You can't seriously ball all these things together....there have been a million thank you's, so stay on the subject, if you're responding to something I've said. There was no maybe here, this is nothing like the example with the firecat!
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Shit, and by the way, Helena did not imply anything, she straight up asked me so if you want to fight, keep going....................
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Lauren wrote: <quoted text>
I have the impression Beth was an armchair detective, came up with some info which someone didn't want revealed and so Murray and Co. turned against her. I can assure you this is not even possible. There was an intervention and you are correct. Beth is no longer able to defend herself, but she was made accountable back then. NONE of that takes away from the good. I'm sorry for getting bent on you earlier but to compare all these people like you did threw me for a loop.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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[QUOTE who="Lauren wrote: <quoted text> Beth may have altered her resume,(like for instance Firefraud calling herself a college professor)[/QUOTE]Now why did you call firecat "firefraud. Anybody who wants to throw an x at me should really think twice.
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Lauren
North Falmouth, MA
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just me wrote: <quoted text>Don't even get me started, I could blow the cap off your cazoo. You don't need to know anything more than you're reading here. But I will say this. It was in the subject line when Beth died and Helena felt the need to ask me. You're making a huge ball of wax and i hope you back off with it. You can't seriously ball all these things together....there have been a million thank you's, so stay on the subject, if you're responding to something I've said. There was no maybe here, this is nothing like the example with the firecat! Thou speakest in riddles. Everything u have said is cryptic, cryptic, cryptic. Your statement "You don't need to know anything more than you're reading here". I love it. Just like reading a spy novel. And I do know exactly how Murray and Co. thanked the NHLE, the pro bono PIs and all the many good, kind helpful local residents. Helena allowed her forum to spit in their faces. I was there. I saw it. I read It.
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Right now I really feel the need to say that there's no taking away the glory from Beth. People just do things they ought not, and sometimes they get called on it. Helena was encouraged to bring this mystery person in contact with one of the many PI's. Didn't work out too well. Can we stop now? because I have no beef with you.
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“"Dancing with wolves"”
Since: Oct 10
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Lauren wrote: <quoted text>
Beth may have altered her resume,(like for instance Firefraud calling herself a college professor) but the fact remains Beth worked her ass off to help the Murray family find Maura, She used her time , energy, effort and money. And the thanks she gets???? After she is dead and cannot defend herself Helena implies she is a stalker? A Murray family characteristic? Fred attacked the two pro bono PIs who donated their time , energy and effort, when in fact, a simple thank you from Fred would have been more appropriate. And how about NHLE and all the hard work they did and all the taxpayers' money expended? Do they get a thank you? I think not. Fred vilified NHSP. I have the impression Beth was an armchair detective, came up with some info which someone didn't want revealed and so Murray and Co. turned against her. I think there's much more to the story concerning Beth that we don't know. Thinking back there were a couple of very strange things that happened that left me shaking my head. One concerned a doll head.
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