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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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sophie bean wrote: <quoted text>
Great, you can call it "Silky's map" - you can call it "Bob" - you can call it "late to dinner" - it is totally irrelevant what you call it, that you don't like me mentioning it, that you question the "character" of a person who I never met and presumably you never met. You still refuse to comment on my point, namely, that this map is on NHSP CCU website, which says more about the map's "credibility" than mine. Is my "credibility" the issue here? How about yours? I posted the link because YOU insisted that the homicides in NH were "presumed homicides" - a direct quote. The map shows that they ARE unsolved homicides. Are you saying that NHSP is wrong, that they are NOT unsolved homicides? Why does this matter so much to you? my posts speak extensively to my position on your bold lying about a simple fact, which is the attributable creator of "Silky's map". my points have been made very clearly. your absurd commentary about serial killings has also been addressed by others. there is little more i choose to add to fuel a pointless discussion.
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Stik
New York, NY
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Its seems to me it is much more likely this case won't be 'solved' until they do a lengthy thorough search of that entire area and find that poor girl.
As much as it is romantic to imagine that people can just 'disappear' and 'start a new life' in reality it is nearly impossible to do in this age of technology. Even for people with signficant more financial means that Maura it is virtually impossible.
I hope she is the exception to this, however I suspect she is not. She is up in those forests somewhere.
RIP
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
my posts speak extensively to my position on your bold lying about a simple fact, which is the attributable creator of "Silky's map". my points have been made very clearly. your absurd commentary about serial killings has also been addressed by others. there is little more i choose to add to fuel a pointless discussion. I never, ever said that the map was not created or more accurately assembled by "Silky" - I merely said that a map which looks very significantly like "Silky's" map appears on the NHSP CCU website. What you are calling a "lie" is the fact that I insist that this map is, in fact, on that website. Are you very sure that "Silky" didn't get that map from NHSP? If so, how?
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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sophie bean wrote: <quoted text>
My recollection is that there was a person "investigating" the Ct Valley killings who insisted that she (that person) had solved them. Her business was such "investigation." The very limited email contact I had with "Silky" stated that this woman was in "competition" with "Silky" to solve several cases. It all seemed extremly strnage to me. But that's not the point (unless it's all far more complicated than I understand)- the point is that the maps of unsolved murders and missing persons are valid, whoever put them together, and that those cases are still almost all open, maybe all still open. This is simple fact. It is fascinating that statement of simple fact creates outrage and ferocious reaction. With this number of unsolved cases - with ANY number of unsolved cases - someone has something to hide, rather obviously. "Competition"......I 'll bet thatit did have something to do with it, sure. As Helena and that person spoke, it did get much more complicated, you bet. The PI looked up the vin #'s that were given to her (likely by Helena) and the investigator traced it back to Beths address.(likely to discredit her, but I read the emails, the PI was trying to help Maura's cause, and it was in no way vindictive. The emotions ran high is all, each having a deep passion for the subject). Anyway the vehicle in question belonged to someone else who lived in the building that Beth lived in. I wish I knew why Beth would put on what seems to be a charade. Sorry, don't spell too well. Again, the PI was pretty rough on Beth because of things that weren't adding up. With the Valley killings and also Maura Murray
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just me
Minneapolis, MN
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Judged:
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Rendezvous wrote: <quoted text>
She was not meeting someone from New Hampshire. She was meeting someone from Massachusetts. He/she called her from Londonderry as they were both driving to/in New Hampshire. They didn't know that there was no cell contact in the place of her accident because the accident wasn't planned to happen. They were planning to rendezvous somewhere else and lost contact. He/she went looking for her. This was all preplanned if all went as planned no cell contact was necessary. This call, the Londonderry "ping" never happened according to some, so I wonder....which is it? Did it happen or not....
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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Interesting. The discussion about "Silky" is raising some serious and possibly quite relevant questions - and yet you persist, Snowy, in hammering on about my mention of the map. It seems that it would be more productive, at least potentially, to focus upon that apparent fact that we agree that Renner's inquiry may be helpful, and that the whole involvement of "Silky" and some others with Maura's case may either be relevant or else random.
My very limited experience with "Silky" was very strange. She insited on some things as relevant and other things as not relevant. My sense was that this was quite specific to her hypothesis - which she never shared with me. There were many vague and suggestive comments about coverups that may or may not have had any basis in reality. There is no doubt that she searched and researched very extensively. Beyond that, I couldn't say much because she revealed very little.
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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just me wrote: <quoted text>"Competition "......I'll bet thatit did have something to do with it, sure. As Helena and that person spoke, it did get much more complicated, you bet. The PI looked up the vin #'s that were given to her (likely by Helena) and the investigator traced it back to Beths address.(likely to discredit her, but I read the emails, the PI was trying to help Maura's cause, and it was in no way vindictive. The emotions ran high is all, each having a deep passion for the subject). Anyway the vehicle in question belonged to someone else who lived in the building that Beth lived in. I wish I knew why Beth would put on what seems to be a charade. Sorry, don't spell too well. Again, the PI was pretty rough on Beth because of things that weren't adding up. With the Valley killings and also Maura Murray I hope that I'm making it clear that what I understand of the other "investigator" - based mostly upon material that was on her own website - was absolutely convinced that she had the only correct answers to pretty much any homicide or suspected homicide you could mention, and pretty much anywhere. To me, it seemed that there was plenty of animosity in both directions, hence my conclusion of "competition."
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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My recollection, which I believe is fairly accurate, is that this "investigator" - it still is not clear to me that this person is actually a licensed PI - "liked" the suspect that she claimed was responsible for the CT Valley killings for Maura's disappearance, although it seemed logistically unlikely. "Silky" seemed to have another scenario in mind, which she never clearly articulated to me.
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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Does anyone recall "Silky" speaking about a hypothesis that was based on actual fact? I don't.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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sophie bean wrote: Interesting. The discussion about "Silky" is raising some serious and possibly quite relevant questions - and yet you persist, Snowy, in hammering on about my mention of the map. It seems that it would be more productive, at least potentially, to focus upon that apparent fact that we agree that Renner's inquiry may be helpful, and that the whole involvement of "Silky" and some others with Maura's case may either be relevant or else random.
My very limited experience with "Silky" was very strange. She insited on some things as relevant and other things as not relevant. My sense was that this was quite specific to her hypothesis - which she never shared with me. There were many vague and suggestive comments about coverups that may or may not have had any basis in reality. There is no doubt that she searched and researched very extensively. Beyond that, I couldn't say much because she revealed very little. and, yet, you support her ideas, even if she didn't fully reveal them to you, and feature her, posthumously, in your own blog. if you think she matters, that's fine, SB. we do agree that Renner's inquiry is welcome and probably helpful. i do have a strong opinion about the way all of the MM forums were/are populated by a group of folks who have intentionally mislead the public over so many years. that is unconscionable.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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sophie bean wrote: <quoted text>
I never, ever said that the map was not created or more accurately assembled by "Silky" - I merely said that a map which looks very significantly like "Silky's" map appears on the NHSP CCU website. What you are calling a "lie" is the fact that I insist that this map is, in fact, on that website. Are you very sure that "Silky" didn't get that map from NHSP? If so, how? read, again, your own words....a few pages back...you are quoted as saying that was "NOT" Silky's map. what is wrong with your understanding? clearly, its creation is attributable to her. i have proven that.
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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I do NOT support "Silky's" ideas - and never once have said so. I thought that some of what she thought important was not based in reality - how much more strongly can I say that? I think that maps of unsolved cases which she assembled from information which is public and factual is important information. If the information is factual, the individual presenting it is irrelevant. In short, I have no interest whatsoever in any individual's reading of any information. I am interested in factual information that leads to solving Maura's case, period.
Now, are we going to get over this nonsense and focus on what seemed to be a discussion or not? Your choice, Snowy.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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sophie bean wrote: <quoted text>
I never, ever said that the map was not created or more accurately assembled by "Silky" - I merely said that a map which looks very significantly like "Silky's" map appears on the NHSP CCU website. What you are calling a "lie" is the fact that I insist that this map is, in fact, on that website. Are you very sure that "Silky" didn't get that map from NHSP? If so, how? I am aware your post is not directed at me and I am not trying to answer for Snowy, but I have a clear memory of certain posters (I donīt believe I have to name them) a few years ago claiming Silky was such a brilliant investigator NHSP took her map (as in created by her) and posted it on their website. Not saying this reflects the actual circumstances, just that this is what some posters claimed.
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Lauren
Boston, MA
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just me wrote: <quoted text>This call, the Londonderry "ping" never happened according to some, so I wonder....which is it? Did it happen or not.... Yes, it happened unless a Sprint representative is lying while testifying in an affidavit under oath.
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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Judged:
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What part of this is hard to understand? Saying that "Silky's" map is useful IF it is accurate - if it is an accurate compilation of factual material available elsewhere - is indeed saying that she was able to put together a useful map. If anyone chooses to interpret this as evidence of her being a "brilliant" investigator, that's entirely up to them. I'm merely saying that it's apparently a useful map (or more accurately, maps) to the extent that NHSP finds them useful. As cloudly as the entire picture is, I absolutely believe that "Silky" mislead and quite possibly diverted any number of people to or from information for reasons that we may never understand. Regardless, a fact is a fact, and its source can and should be considered, but if it remains a fact, the source is relatively irrelevant. Any chance of getting back to information here, and leaving semantics behind?
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sophie bean
Lewiston, ME
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Once more, information appears to be surfacing - Renner's inquiry, a few things appearing here - and suddenly the "discussion" turns away from potentially useful questions to an argument about personality.
Let's shift gears.
What in Renner's inquiry seems most relevant to you?
What might be relevant?
What about a FL investiagtor's insistence that a possible (deceased) suspect in the CT Valley cases is apparently the probably-mythical "Suspect Zero"?
What about a former (deceased) "investigator's" inferrences that it was another (unspecified)sort of event?
If this is not where people here choose to go with this, I guess I'll just move along.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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If Maura really had plans to meet up with somebody, wouldnīt she logically just want to 1. get away from the accident scene in case she had been drinking and 2. get to the nearest area with cell phone reception and get in touch with the person she was supposed to meet. Just pointing out the possibility of her having plans to meet up with somebody might be relevant to what direction she went after the accident. The "Londonderry ping" might be indicative of plans to meet somebody.
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citigir
Bryantville, MA
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Lauren wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, it happened unless a Sprint representative is lying while testifying in an affidavit under oath. As I have stated before I have a problem with this affidavit because there is no specific time mentioned in it. You had put out as a possibillity that maybe LE asked not to put the time in because it was an on going investigation? This document was supposedly under oath and with what you implied to me. What you are stating is that in a legal document one may withhold true facts.So with this why bother getting an affidavit if the facts are falsified to the exact time because LE has asked to change things because this is an on going investigation? Then if this were the case I would consider this document null and void because LE cannot dictate under oath what should and should not be put in a legal document.
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citigir
Bryantville, MA
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NHwoodshome wrote: <quoted text>
I agree and the whole answer could be why she was running if she was actually running or just trying to clear her mind with some R&R. Sometimes people blow things way out of proportion in their own minds and make situations much worse than they really are and this could have been the same with Maura.
The answer could be simple as to why she left and it could be something more. What we are left with is a mystery with seemingly twist and turns in the information. I have to wonder if friends and family are protecting her reputation which could impede the investigation. There just seems to be more than one face of Maura painted and it all depends upon who to believe, angel or troubled, like most I think she was somewhere in between, HUMAN!
I will say one thing, she couldn't have found a much worse place or time of year to have an accident. This area is bustling with people and activity in summer and fall but in winter and early spring its not well traveled and desolate. If friends and family were protecting the reputation of Maura then why would many of us want the FBI involved? We want the answers as to what happened to Maura.It is purely accusations and speculation and theorys as to what some posters read on a public forum. So it is unfair to say family and friends are protecting the reputation of Maura. Many of these people have never met any of us and have no clue as to what was said and what was not said to LE about Maura.Although some disagree with the theorys as what may have happened to Maura on that night others but not all post with there on theorys as to what happened to Maura on that night have put it down as to be fact and other posters have built upon these postings as fact. Our family does not know what happened to Maura as all as we know is that she disappeared on the night of Feb. 9th and has never been seen since.
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Since: Oct 09
Rural N.H.
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Please wait...
Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
I don't think I remember anyone stating that the cracked windshield was due to an impact from the drivers head. Could you put a link to where you read that please.
I believe when the car was found with no driver and there were signs that the driver may have been drinking that the police figured it was just another intoxicated person leaving the scene until they sobered up.And they've seen many similar accidents before.
There also were 5 houses in plain view if someone wanted or needed help which also may have ran across their minds.
Why would people involved have nightmares over this? There is no evidence that a crime was even committed. Not in officer Smith's report that it was head contact, after reading previous statements Fred indicated that. I still have to question the cracked windshield though, if it was cracked before the accident I would think Fred would have been aware. I agree there is no evidence of a crime to the public's knowledge.
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