Maura Murray

just me wrote:

Citygirl, do you happen to know if people really did start looking for Maura at UMASS on Monday night? Requesting security so they could have alook in her room? Do you know if this is true? I think it might help Mr Mrenner to know this.

no one was looking for Maura on that night because no one even knew she was missing at that point

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/franconia-nh/...

Think there is a possibility this is why they are giving more credibility to cw?

let me know if link didn't work

dis regard link what I posted did not post once I entered . Anyway the post by Mathew feb 2010 regarding the fabric with duct tape and hair he found while hunting approx 7 miles away. there are hunting roads near 116 where cw said he saw someone in a hoodie

just me wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you hannah_b. This is just one of many, many posts that Dawn so patiently made in an attempt to help us know how cell pings work. She offered up the help of a higher up technician even. She definately knows her stuff, which was greek to me.

According to Maura´s cell phone records, she did not receive any calls that afternoon (apparently comfirmed by Helena, according to Dawn), and her phone was shut off in the "late afternoon" hours. There is no way to trace attempted unanswered calls to a shut off cell phone since information on unanswered incoming calls sits on the local cell phone memory. So - either the theory previously put out on forums was correct - the affidavit was made up to try and make somebody very nervous - OR, it concerns ANOTHER cell phone also operated by Sprint used by Maura and this phone was turned on at the time. Pure speculation of course. But think - Maura did have other boyfriend/s as confirmed by Renner´s research. She would hardly use the phone paid for by Billy´s mother, who could see all the stuff about who Maura talked to on that cell, to call other guys.

matthew

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I was hunting 7.8 miles from the site of the car crash of Maura and found cloths with duct tape with hair in the tape. I called the state police they said they would call me back. Then 4 days they called me and wanted me to show them where the cloths were since the first call to the police it snowed but we found them and never heard nothing else.

sophie bean wrote:

Let's shift gears.
What in Renner's inquiry seems most relevant to you?
What might be relevant?

Today is a new day, I have a bit more time to spend on this forum.
You ask about MR Renner and what he has been able to find.
What I find interesting is that Maura was seeing that coach and her friends did not know. More than that, it just goes to show that she had only been back with Billy somewhere between summer break, and the fall of 03. Sharon only knew so much, and implied that the relationship between her son and Maura was rocky somewhere around 2001, but that the two had been just fine ever since.

Back to the coach now, Maura was able to go spend some time with him in spring of 03. They were quite the item. Renner said she stayed with him for some period of time until poof, she stopped taking his calls, and lost all contact. No. It was uncovered, supposedly, that the people Maura knew on the track team thought that Billy was not for Maura, that this coach would be more suitable, yet Kate had no idea. Not that it matters really, because I don't walk around giving out info on what I do either, so I can relate.

Recently, I remarked that I wondered how Maura could spend New Years in NH. I had previously thought that she was coming back to school directly from being with the Rauches, and just before that her own family. Kathleen said the last time she saw Maura was at Christmas time. Either way, this puts Maura in NH Dec 31st, 2003, through at least Jan 1st 2004. Where did she go from there? Maybe that's when she went to see Billy and his family, just answered my own question maybe, lol. This is only relevant if she did not bring Billy with her, and/or if he didn't know about it. And who lived there in NH, who all was there for the New Years might be relevant too. Lets say they moved to an area somewhere near where Maura's car was found. Was that where she was trying to go? Could someone from that party, someone she met or knew from her visit, that party, be relevant? People who knew Maura best, second and third best seemed not to know alot of what MR Renner has uncovered.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>no one was looking for Maura on that night because no one even knew she was missing at that point

Thank you, then that rumor can be put to rest. I saw mention of that on Advocates forum and Topix, and have always wondered if NH police called UMASS that night after all.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>no one was looking for Maura on that night because no one even knew she was missing at that point

Post by Peripeteia from an old forum:
"information from the Dectective at the University of Mass, learned that on the night Maura went missing several of her friends approached a campus police security to assist in the search for her in the Residence."

Point is, IF UMass security engaged in a search Monday night, there would likely be a record of it.
So I don´t think this is something anyone could just make up.

jwb wrote:

..... Anyway the post by Mathew feb 2010 regarding the fabric with duct tape and hair he found while hunting approx 7 miles away. there are hunting roads near 116 where cw said he saw someone in a hoodie

This info is staying private it would seem, along with the skull found recently. Fabric and duct tape doesn't have to mean trouble, it's one of the best fix it tapes around. There was mention of hair in the tape, on the tape, so maybe it does mean something bad, don't know. Maura may have been trying to dodge someone who was following her. I think of the red truck on Bradley hill rd. The noises that were said to be coming from along side the truck. RO said that she had seen that red truck going the direction of the accident, along with a police car.

hannah_b wrote:

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According to Maura´s cell phone records, she did not receive any calls that afternoon (apparently comfirmed by Helena, according to Dawn), and her phone was shut off in the "late afternoon" hours. There is no way to trace attempted unanswered calls to a shut off cell phone since information on unanswered incoming calls sits on the local cell phone memory. So - either the theory previously put out on forums was correct - the affidavit was made up to try and make somebody very nervous - OR, it concerns ANOTHER cell phone also operated by Sprint used by Maura and this phone was turned on at the time. Pure speculation of course. But think - Maura did have other boyfriend/s as confirmed by Renner´s research. She would hardly use the phone paid for by Billy´s mother, who could see all the stuff about who Maura talked to on that cell, to call other guys.

Good point about a possible second cellphone. If Maura needed to keep contact with certain people Billy would object to, I can see her getting something like a track phone. Not sure if they existed back then, but I think they are pretty anonomous if you pay with cash for example.

hannah_b wrote:

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Post by Peripeteia from an old forum:
"information from the Dectective at the University of Mass, learned that on the night Maura went missing several of her friends approached a campus police security to assist in the search for her in the Residence."

Thanks again, I knew I had seen that somewhere. Maybe this has some merit and it would sure be good to know if it's true after all. From there, I'd ask all those people why or how they thought to call security on Monday night.

Also, the FBI was said to have visited Hanson, MA, to speak wit family and friends. not once the UMASS campus. The UMASS detectives spoke with concerned parties there. Do I have this right?

hannah_b wrote:

Point is, IF UMass security engaged in a search Monday night, there would likely be a record of it.
So I don´t think this is something anyone could just make up.

I agree. I also read that the people at UMASS were told to keep this to themselves.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>Good point about a possible second cellphone. If Maura needed to keep contact with certain people Billy would object to, I can see her getting something like a track phone. Not sure if they existed back then, but I think they are pretty anonomous if you pay with cash for example.

But then, police would have to know that cell number was hers, or that she even had a second phone.

just me wrote:

Does anyone else recall that when Sharon and Billy arrived, not sure if Fred was in the room, but Sharon says she went to get her notebook and was stopped by an officer. He said she would get copies of the meeting, which she never did. But what's important here, is that police said they thought that Fred had been driving the Saturn that night. That perhaps he just left his car sit like some snowmobilers do. I wonder why they would say that, since I have no reason to doubt what Sharon had to say. They had already wondered if Maura had shown at the Cottage, and/or Twin Mountain, loon mountain, and put out the second bolo by that time.

what the police report states in the narrative is H2 REQ ALL FIRE UNITS BOL FOR A FEMALE ABT 507 ON FOOT, VICTIM OF CRASH. the second bol was not put out until the following day. The narrative under the first bol to fire units was h2 clear of scene, lagoies has the veh,any luck locating the party or has she shown up at the cottage?

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I was hunting 7.8 miles from the site of the car crash of Maura and found cloths with duct tape with hair in the tape. I called the state police they said they would call me back. Then 4 days they called me and wanted me to show them where the cloths were since the first call to the police it snowed but we found them and never heard nothing else.

I wonder what year this was that Matthew found the duct tape, etc.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>what the police report states in the narrative is H2 REQ ALL FIRE UNITS BOL FOR A FEMALE ABT 507 ON FOOT, VICTIM OF CRASH. the second bol was not put out until the following day. The narrative under the first bol to fire units was h2 clear of scene, lagoies has the veh,any luck locating the party or has she shown up at the cottage?

h, right. But by the time Sharon and Billy got there, this is what CS was supposed to have said. And I just wonder why they would start out with something like that having already known Maura was driving. I know police have their reasons. They interrogated Billy, and let him have the items from the car. Sorry for the stretch of information there. I have to get going for the day. Bye.

just me wrote:

<quoted text>This info is staying private it would seem, along with the skull found recently. Fabric and duct tape doesn't have to mean trouble, it's one of the best fix it tapes around. There was mention of hair in the tape, on the tape, so maybe it does mean something bad, don't know. Maura may have been trying to dodge someone who was following her. I think of the red truck on Bradley hill rd. The noises that were said to be coming from along side the truck. RO said that she had seen that red truck going the direction of the accident, along with a police car.

sure if it is meaningful they would keep it private as an investigation is going on but if it had no meaning you would think something would be said to say that it is not part of the investigation. yet again LE doesn't have to say anything. We live in a big hunting and hiking area and if maura was harmed I am sure she will be found at some point. My wife and I motorcycle alot and yesterday I took Bradley hill road and I never go up that way and I noticed alot of land clearing going on and thought that if Maura is here someday this land that is inhabited will be cleared. We also went by the A frame on valley ropad and it was spooky as it looks like it has been inhabited in many years and someone had thrown a rock through the front window

anyone ever think about maura ever getting anothe r cell phone for her trip because billy had access to her cell records because he bought and paid for the cell bill. Wonder if any of the other providers were
looked into . Possibly someone else could have bought her a phone. the phone call that maura made on her fathers phone to billy when she wrecked her car? did i miss something? possibly but why didn't she use her phone?

yea i know I said i would not post again but this case is just nawing on my obsesive compulsive disorder (lol)we travel the area on bike alot and it makes you think when you see the blue ribbon

hannah_b wrote:

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Post by Peripeteia from an old forum:
"information from the Dectective at the University of Mass, learned that on the night Maura went missing several of her friends approached a campus police security to assist in the search for her in the Residence."

it was unknown until tuesday the day after Maura disappeared that she was missing.