Maura Murray

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Lauren wrote:
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How could she possibly know? She said she met Maura "once a long time ago". This does not sound to me as if she would be privy to Maura's last minute and spontaneous decisions. The question is why does this matter so much to this one poster? If Maura decided to buy and use a tracfone why would she tell anyone? She's an intelligent and independent adult and does not need permission or approval. She could buy it without anyone ever knowing it if she paid cash.
good point; for once, i'd given her the benefit of the doubt, and assumed her definitive answer comes from a reliable source. hmmm. inversely, it cannot be proven that she did have a trac phone in her possession.
similarly, i've never quite reconciled the presumed fact that M did not get her driver's license until she was 21. although much fuss was made about her being a "new" driver. FireKitty, while claiming knowledge of the reason for the delay, fought very hard not to reveal that reason.
mention of this is in the context of being "adult". an intelligent, athletic young woman delays a rite of passage? doesn't make sense.
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hi citigirl and all,do you know when Maura got the missing cellphone.I am thinking it was christmas 2003 and if so how did she call people before she had it.Also we were told she got prepaid calling cards at some point,why would she need both.take care philip
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Im sorry it doesnt fit into your theory but Maura had one phone only and it was not a tracfone.
Citi, the only way you could possibly know this for sure is if you are Maura. Are you Maura?
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hi citigirl and all,do you know when Maura got the missing cellphone.I am thinking it was christmas 2003 and if so how did she call people before she had it.Also we were told she got prepaid calling cards at some point,why would she need both.take care philip
or, were the prepaid phone cards that can be bought to use with a tracphone type phone?
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Lauren wrote:
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How could she possibly know? She said she met Maura "once a long time ago". This does not sound to me as if she would be privy to Maura's last minute and spontaneous decisions. The question is why does this matter so much to this one poster? If Maura decided to buy and use a tracfone why would she tell anyone? She's an intelligent and independent adult and does not need permission or approval. She could buy it without anyone ever knowing it if she paid cash.
I asked another family member whom would know. Yes I did say I met Maura in the past but I did not say only once. You were the one who posted about the tracfone and this is what I was replying to. It was your theory not mine.
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looking4amoose wrote:
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Citi, the only way you could possibly know this for sure is if you are Maura. Are you Maura?
no Im not Maura.
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whiston wrote:
hi citigirl and all,do you know when Maura got the missing cellphone.I am thinking it was christmas 2003 and if so how did she call people before she had it.Also we were told she got prepaid calling cards at some point,why would she need both.take care philip
I have both. When traveling you cant always get cell service so this is where a calling card comes in handy if you have to make a call.I also found that if I was a distance from home sometimes I would try to make a call on my cell phone and it would not go through to the party I was calling. It is also cheaper and does not run up your phone minutes if you are calling long distance.
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looking4amoose wrote:
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Citi, the only way you could possibly know this for sure is if you are Maura. Are you Maura?
ha! right to the point. good question.
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>I asked another family member whom would know. Yes I did say I met Maura in the past but I did not say only once. You were the one who posted about the tracfone and this is what I was replying to. It was your theory not mine.
I know that you want to think that Maura shared everything with her family, but really, if they knew everything, they would also know why she was travelling through Haverhill the night she disappeared. Maybe she didn't shared a second phone # with them? I wonder how Hossein got in touch with her.
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looking4amoose wrote:
<quoted text>I know that you want to think that Maura shared everything with her family, but really, if they knew everything, they would also know why she was travelling through Haverhill the night she disappeared. Maybe she didn't shared a second phone # with them? I wonder how Hossein got in touch with her.
maybe smoke singles?

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looking4amoose wrote:
<quoted text>I know that you want to think that Maura shared everything with her family, but really, if they knew everything, they would also know why she was travelling through Haverhill the night she disappeared. Maybe she didn't shared a second phone # with them? I wonder how Hossein got in touch with her.
As you stated Maura didn't share everything with her family,but she did share some of her personal life with friends, if she was using a phone other than the one we are aware of, SOMEONE knows. If this is true that SOMEONE hasn't come forward. I have previously stated that it is very possible she used the phone at the desk she worked at or the PC if one there.

I think perhaps alot of things were overlooked initially and opportunities perhaps lost, like the custody of her own PC which turned into a cluster. Even her car wasn't secured for a long period, I think much of this was because law enforcement was initially convinced she disappeared of her own free will. First of all one cannot base everything on assumption which it seems what happened despite Fred's protest. One has to take into account ALL possibilities regardless because evidence can be lost or tainted.

Personally I don't blame Haverhill PD, they are a small town with limited resources and training. The state came into play and it seems made the assumption she left and it seems that where it rested for a period of time.

What really disturbs me is the reports of in fighting with investigators among each other and the state. We have a missing person and EGO'S seem to rule the day.
Snowy

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just me wrote:
I agree that there doesn't seem to be any way to know anything for sure in this case. People didn't know what she was up to, and with whom. Weren't you also a bit suprised by some of the things Mr Renner has been able to uncover?
I realize you do hold maura most high, and you really just want her to be found. We do too, even if it means finding out that Maura kept alot more than thought so, to herself. Maybe people really did wonder at UMASS on Monday night. Maybe one of those people was the super....maybe the one who got back her scrubs.....it's too hard to know and I hope you will open your mind up to most every posibility. Maura does not need to be defended. We are more forgiving than that and it's nice for a change to see so much info that might matter, coming to the surface.
I only mean this in the most heartfelt way.
Linda
i think it's fair to say that the covering-up seems to be the greater motivation than "finding" maura. facts and details exist, but they are either spun or held closely.
over time, Linda, you and another long-time poster have witnessed the preposterous efforts by "family" members....none more closely related than "distant"....who have limited conversation and have actively engaged in the equivalent of brain washing. forum commenters have paraphrased and repeated information about M and her disappearance that has never been verified to be true. those days are over.
an important question remains, then. why has this group of people engaged in this behavior? what is the payoff for them? what, exactly, have they been trying to cover-up? why wouldn't MM's disappearance be more important than any behavior or action for which she might be judged or misjudged by the public?
some of us have been calling them out for some time now. maybe renner, when he returns, will have the potential to more effectively do the same...to get at the truth.
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You know, I think I have met Maura more times than Citigirl, and I only served her coffee. I read this entire forum last night, and the only purpose CG is serving is to rile everyone up. It keeps us from focusing on what's important. Her very PRESENCE here is a red herring.(Normally I only post in Amherst, but man has she got my Irish up right now.) Citigirl, I don't doubt you're related. I don't doubt you've met MM and feel close to the situation. But it is simply impossible that you know all the facts you claim to. You know the official canon inside and out, yes. But your continuous inability to think critically is getting annoying. From the perspective of someone who has advocated for MM for years (I began the wiki article, which tracks back to my real name, so no lies here) I find it completely frustrating that you continually claim knowledge that isn't supported anywhere.

Anyone who claims definitive knowledge and it posting around on the internet should be ashamed. The only way Citigirl knows more than any of us here is if she's revealing things that are supposed to be still under investigation. I am so, so sick of the Facebook forum crowd who refuses to accept that there are more questions about this case than answers. We're all complicated human beings, and to paint Maura as some kind of saintly n'er do wrong is not only inaccurate but blatantly disseminates misinformation. No one's perfect, and until we have a better idea of what was going wrong in her personal life, we'll never know what happened.

And I am prepared to take my licks for posting out of turn. Huge respect to the posters who have kept the faith all this time.
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Snowy wrote:
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i think it's fair to say that the covering-up seems to be the greater motivation than "finding" maura. facts and details exist, but they are either spun or held closely.
over time, Linda, you and another long-time poster have witnessed the preposterous efforts by "family" members....none more closely related than "distant"....who have limited conversation and have actively engaged in the equivalent of brain washing. forum commenters have paraphrased and repeated information about M and her disappearance that has never been verified to be true. those days are over.
an important question remains, then. why has this group of people engaged in this behavior? what is the payoff for them? what, exactly, have they been trying to cover-up? why wouldn't MM's disappearance be more important than any behavior or action for which she might be judged or misjudged by the public?
some of us have been calling them out for some time now. maybe renner, when he returns, will have the potential to more effectively do the same...to get at the truth.
Brilliant. Well said. And accurate.
Lauren

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You know, I think I have met Maura more times than Citigirl, and I only served her coffee. I read this entire forum last night, and the only purpose CG is serving is to rile everyone up. It keeps us from focusing on what's important. Her very PRESENCE here is a red herring.(Normally I only post in Amherst, but man has she got my Irish up right now.) Citigirl, I don't doubt you're related. I don't doubt you've met MM and feel close to the situation. But it is simply impossible that you know all the facts you claim to. You know the official canon inside and out, yes. But your continuous inability to think critically is getting annoying. From the perspective of someone who has advocated for MM for years (I began the wiki article, which tracks back to my real name, so no lies here) I find it completely frustrating that you continually claim knowledge that isn't supported anywhere.
Anyone who claims definitive knowledge and it posting around on the internet should be ashamed. The only way Citigirl knows more than any of us here is if she's revealing things that are supposed to be still under investigation. I am so, so sick of the Facebook forum crowd who refuses to accept that there are more questions about this case than answers. We're all complicated human beings, and to paint Maura as some kind of saintly n'er do wrong is not only inaccurate but blatantly disseminates misinformation. No one's perfect, and until we have a better idea of what was going wrong in her personal life, we'll never know what happened.
And I am prepared to take my licks for posting out of turn. Huge respect to the posters who have kept the faith all this time.
Excellent post and so very, very true.
sophie bean

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just me wrote:
<quoted text>What in Renner's inquiry seems most relevant to you? Well, that Maura was looking up info about the effects of alcohol on a fetus. Mr Renner says it most definately did not relate to any studies she was into at the time. Too tired to elaborate.....just wanted to touch somewhat on all of your questions
What might be relevant?
That she was trying to get out of the pregnancy, or some kind of jam and either didn't know what to do or was meeting up with someone to discuss it maybe? It could be relevant if the person was married and didn't want any of this in the picture.
What about a FL investiagtor's insistence that a possible (deceased) suspect in the CT Valley cases is apparently the probably-mythical "Suspect Zero"?
Oh, I don't think she believes that, she just has other things she can pin on this guy and can name all the times he was living, visiting at/near/or around NH and VT. She also continues to look at Rooney as well.
What about a former (deceased) "investigator's" inferrences that it was another (unspecified)sort of event?
Like some have said, maybe she knew something they didn't.
And just a note here, cause I've got to get going, The PI in FL has all the credentials. When she blew the lid off what Beth was trying to do, or doing, she was able to see that Beth had no business in this because she was not what she claimed to be. Maybe Helena knew this, and did not care, and maybe it was all a suprise to her. And I agree, "Silky" was vague. She used to say she flew under the radar.
Lastly, because I have those first few emails between Helena and Beth,(and know of 2 others), it WAS Helena who sought Beth out. The things Beth had to say about this person and that person, and the way she said it, worded it, must have really been impressive. Helena told me she didn't really know what to think when she first met Beth. But they became team leaders, for lack of a better word.
It doesn't really matter much now to discuss theses two people any longer and I really should stress it's just my opinion.
1) I am by no means convinced that Maura was pregnant, and if so, who mihght be the father. I don't believe it's impossible. She would not be the first unmarried woman to get pregnant. It happens. If it is a fact, it is an important one.

2) LMC has attempted to tie MN to crimes all up and down the East Coast, including (fantastically) the Colonial Parkway Murders)
Both LMC and "Silky" positioned themselves to be "team leaders."

3)I have to wonder about "investigators" in general - hired by the family, with legitimate credentials, is not the same as "volunteers." And no, I am by no means an "investigator." My main interest in anything that any of them have to say is whether any of it contains anything useful amidst the nonsense. I don't think that has ever been established, to my knowledge, and that's why I'm asking now.
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Post by Peripeteia from an old forum:
"information from the Dectective at the University of Mass, learned that on the night Maura went missing several of her friends approached a campus police security to assist in the search for her in the Residence."
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. Are searches for presumed missing persons usually begun on the same evening that they go missing?
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feb 2010
He was hunting in February?
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hannah_b wrote:
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I believe it was in the fall of 2009, not sure though. I also recall someone posting this lead supposedly didnīt pan out.
Regarding the skull found in Littleton, dna testing could take months if not a prioritized case. Iīm surprised though nothing has been said about any exam results of a forensic anthropologist, which is usually made in cases like this. They should at the very least be able to tell if adult or not and if male or female. Also, a dental comparison should not take very long and would be an easy way to rule Maura in or out. Provided the sakull had teeth, of course.
It is entirely possible that if any of these results are relevant to Maura's case, LE would NOT release that information to the public. I had rather expected to hear whether the skull was in fact human, but anything beyond that would take longer and be much more likely to not be released until the case is far more resolved.
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Lauren wrote:
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Tracfones are often associated with criminal activity, so maybe LE seized it as evidence when they were searching the vacant Saturn.
that is an absolutely idiotic statement

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