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sophie bean

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Lauren, I can't imagine you've EVER gone by any other name in discussions of Maura's case? Interesting, I'm still just using the same old name.
As far as your justifiable outrage and character assasination goes, save it for someone who cares.
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Lauren wrote:
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I don't know if you are joking or serious, but there was that post on Renner about the NH bank account. The poster should be canned forthwith, it is an outrageous (and probably illegal) violation of privacy, but still ... it is intriguing, although probably means nothing.
It's actually not legally considered a breach of privacy until you start giving out numbers-- the person who contacted Renner about that was within his/her rights to do so. I deal with the accounts at work, and I often have to confirm bank accounts for people leasing apartments, buying a car, etc. Nothing specific, just something like "To whom it may concern, Jane Doe is a full-time employee at XXXX, who is paid XXX per year. She resides at XXXX, and keeps a checking, savings and money market account with XXXBank."

It does seem like a breach of privacy though, I agree. Even if the law doesn't.

And I'm serious, I think there is a possibility Maura is alive and well, and that police are feigning an investigation to cover up for her. It's her Constitutional right to remain hidden, so why not? It would certainly explain why the official investigation has moved so slowly.
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all we need is citigrl into the mix for a real verbal brawl
Lauren

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The difference is: NG reports, Renner digs.
sophie bean

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Kitten wrote:
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1123458787919...
The link goes to the Maura Murray Missing Group Code of Conduct.
That's where it talks about not posting for profit.
Well, not precisely.

"There shall be NO advertising of any kind of any publications or websites made to profit from the disappearance of Maura Murray."

I understand this to mean that there is to be no direct advertising on the site which will profit from Maura's disappearance. Renner was not banned. Renner is not forbidden from posting, that I can see. I believe, though I may be mistaken, that this code of conduct was in place before Renner even posted, and so it was not "aimed" at him.

sophie bean

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"Kitten" wrote:

"I think there is a possibility Maura is alive and well, and that police are feigning an investigation to cover up for her."

You must be kidding. First of all, of course it is her right to remain hidden if she chooses to do so. But after YEARS of people screaming bloody murder at the slightest whiff that the LE investigation was not what it might or should have been, but now you're suggesting that LE is covering up FOR Maura who's in hiding? Unless she is in witness protection, has that ever happened? Don't think so.
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Kitten wrote:
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It's actually not legally considered a breach of privacy until you start giving out numbers-- the person who contacted Renner about that was within his/her rights to do so. I deal with the accounts at work, and I often have to confirm bank accounts for people leasing apartments, buying a car, etc. Nothing specific, just something like "To whom it may concern, Jane Doe is a full-time employee at XXXX, who is paid XXX per year. She resides at XXXX, and keeps a checking, savings and money market account with XXXBank."
It does seem like a breach of privacy though, I agree. Even if the law doesn't.
And I'm serious, I think there is a possibility Maura is alive and well, and that police are feigning an investigation to cover up for her. It's her Constitutional right to remain hidden, so why not? It would certainly explain why the official investigation has moved so slowly.
Thank you for clarifying that. Mason and other former posters plus Renner and others have always made a point of how it is violating Maura's rights to reveal her present circumstances. I personally believe Maura is alive and well and have always said this. I confess the bank account post did attract my attention and interest. The best place to hide is in plain sight, so I am told. Who would look for Maura alive in the White Mountains? They would look for her remains there, but not, alive and well!
sophie bean

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I was fully prepared to apologizw and say that I was mistaken IF Renner had been banned or IF rules had gone into effect on FB to shut him down. That's simply not accurate (at best) so there's nothing to be learned here. Have fun.
Kitten

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sophie bean wrote:
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Well, not precisely.
"There shall be NO advertising of any kind of any publications or websites made to profit from the disappearance of Maura Murray."
I understand this to mean that there is to be no direct advertising on the site which will profit from Maura's disappearance. Renner was not banned. Renner is not forbidden from posting, that I can see. I believe, though I may be mistaken, that this code of conduct was in place before Renner even posted, and so it was not "aimed" at him.
Actually, you're wrong. It came after Renner. His posts were removed (they linked to his blog, which is, ostensibly advertising the book he's writing.)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/shesnotthere/

Go here. I screen-shot the post where Troy created the terms of the group. I'd post Renner's comments too but they were deleted. He confirms this himself on his blog several times.

I am getting tired of having to backtrack and prove all of this myself. You are capable of searching Facebook and thinking critically, Sophie Bean.
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Also, here is Renner's post where the comments confirm removal of his posts from the MMM facebook group.

http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/07/profi...
sophie bean

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It is certainly within the rights of a FB page "owner" to have any rules they wish, but I do indeed find it unfortunate and somewhat baffling to NOT want information which could lead to solving Maura's case. Thank you for providing the links, Kitten. You have been civil and that is most refreshing.

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sophie bean wrote:
Lauren, many people have been accusing "the ducks," in which they clearly include me, of being offended by Renner's inquiry. I have clearly and repeatedly said that I do NOT feel that way and that I do NOT find his inquiry inappropriate. I am, in fact, requesting the withdrawal or retraction of any statements that suggest that I hold such a position, because they are inaccurate at best.
If I requested the withdrawal or retraction for every statement that was inaccurate there wouldn't be much left to reply to.
And I'd probably be told to go crap in my hat.
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Lauren wrote:
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Thank you for clarifying that. Mason and other former posters plus Renner and others have always made a point of how it is violating Maura's rights to reveal her present circumstances. I personally believe Maura is alive and well and have always said this. I confess the bank account post did attract my attention and interest. The best place to hide is in plain sight, so I am told. Who would look for Maura alive in the White Mountains? They would look for her remains there, but not, alive and well!
I'm sorry, I don't think I was clear before. What I meant there was, it IS illegal/it DOES violate Maura's rights to reveal her location if she wants not to be found. It is NOT illegal/a breach of privacy to provide general information about a bank account in someone's name.(That's what my letters to landlords at work do-- verify that the person is employed and liquid enough financially to have a bank account. It's like I'm speaking for the person and saying, Sure Mister Landlord, Jane Doe will pay her rent!)

I suppose you could make the argument that by revealing the location of the account, Mr. Renner's source violated Maura's rights. But that's only IF she's alive.
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Lauren wrote:
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I don't know if you are joking or serious, but there was that post on Renner about the NH bank account. The poster should be canned forthwith, it is an outrageous (and probably illegal) violation of privacy, but still ... it is intriguing, although probably means nothing.
a teller doesn't typically have access to account/loan information; they can accept and process payments on accounts, but identifying information beyond a balance would be a customer service function. more smoke, mirrors and BS.
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jwb wrote:
all we need is citigrl into the mix for a real verbal brawl
Gotta be honest, I find her writing really hard to read. I think it's the total lack of grammar rules.:)
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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If I requested the withdrawal or retraction for every statement that was inaccurate there wouldn't be much left to reply to.
And I'd probably be told to go crap in my hat.
Wowzer, I so very much appreciate how you bring levity to the discussion.:)
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Snowy wrote:
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a teller doesn't typically have access to account/loan information; they can accept and process payments on accounts, but identifying information beyond a balance would be a customer service function. more smoke, mirrors and BS.
That's not necessarily true-- what if the teller in question was someone who opened/closed accounts, or who managed small business loans, or who did data entry part time? Then they would have access to the main database of bank customers.

That's not to say you're not correct, I'm just trying to stay open-minded.
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Kitten wrote:
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I'm sorry, I don't think I was clear before. What I meant there was, it IS illegal/it DOES violate Maura's rights to reveal her location if she wants not to be found. It is NOT illegal/a breach of privacy to provide general information about a bank account in someone's name.(That's what my letters to landlords at work do-- verify that the person is employed and liquid enough financially to have a bank account. It's like I'm speaking for the person and saying, Sure Mister Landlord, Jane Doe will pay her rent!)
I suppose you could make the argument that by revealing the location of the account, Mr. Renner's source violated Maura's rights. But that's only IF she's alive.
Thanks for the clarification.
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ok I got trashed asking about airbags. None responded but with peanuts and spam lol if someone was in the passenger seat the airbags should have deployed.hence someone else was in the car. I was simply asking if anyone had the info. it was stated that two bags were deployed.
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Kitten wrote:
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That's not necessarily true-- what if the teller in question was someone who opened/closed accounts, or who managed small business loans, or who did data entry part time? Then they would have access to the main database of bank customers.
That's not to say you're not correct, I'm just trying to stay open-minded.
a teller function is very limited; a head teller would have access to account histories, and addt'l info would be available to customer serv and loan officers, or so has been my direct experience with my previous employer at branch offices of a larger new england bank. for all i know, there may be differences between banks of different sizes and locations.

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