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and why is WTF/WTH/Bill so threatened by Renner?
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Renner has NOT accused any NH locals of wrongdoing, and was at a place of business when he was apparently threatened (an action which WTF apparently condones). Neither has Renner said that he believes that Maura did anything wrong. The reaction from both NH and MA is quite strange.
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Just me wrote:
<quoted text>oh. Well in that case, it probably did blow their minds to try and keep certain things at bay. That would be any every day thing I'm sure, because I was always reading, just to find that the thing before was gone. Poof. In just about real time.
Thanks, I'm a little slow at times, I admit.
you're prompting my thought about Topix going "poof" numerous times. one has to wonder how that was achieved. another mystery.

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sophie bean wrote:
Right. Ducks. Whatever. I keep attempting to say that any and all attempts to limit inquiry about Maura's disappearance are not helpful. ANY attempts - by anyone. I have said repeatedly that I disagree with the FB page deleting Renner's comments and banning him. However, this also means that refusing to discuss the possibility of Maura meeting with foul play in NH is equally unhelpful.
Sophie do you honestly believe that after all these years of discussing the disappearance of Maura Murray on several forums that anything helpful in finding her will magically appear?
IMHO the only people that may have helpful information would be LE. With no evidence (that I know of) that a crime was even committed I imagine there's only so much even they can do.
There's been years of discussing the possibility of fowl play. More so than any other cause of her disappearance.
Do you forget the discussions of digging up the SBD basement and yard, searching RF's home and yard and even bringing everyone in within a few mile radius and give them a lie detector test? I seem to remember much talk about fowl play, years of it in fact.
Some people believe she might be alive.Some believe she may have committed suicide. Just because there is a differance of opinion doesn't mean that there's a refusal to discuss it.

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sophie bean wrote:
and why is WTF/WTH/Bill so threatened by Renner?
I didn't know that he was. What makes you think he feels threatened by Renner?

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any thoughts about why Renner was apparently attacked at the SS?
Umm, lets see. Just guessing here.
Guess#1 It's a place of business to sell things to make a living. Not an interrogation room to be questiones in front of customers.
Guess#2 Maybe people are getting tired of being questioned after 7 years of strangers knocking on their doors and asking the same questions over and over again.
Just guessing.

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I am going to my place in Mountain Lakes this weekend and I will feel as safe in my house there as I do in the sleepy little town that I live in full time. My neighbors in both places are treated well by me, and in turn, return the favors. Bad things happen to good people everywhere, and people choose to walk away from their life everywhere also. I have no impact on anyone but myself. I alone am responsible for my own decisions, and I alone am responsible for the way I treat other people. I am also responsible for putting myself in situations which may not turn out favorably or safely. Either way--Maura has disappeared. There is more evidence to show that she planned to get away than there is to show that she was abducted or injured or whatever. Her choice....not mine.
I'm pretty much done with the holding back of information/the misrepresenting of information/the bashing of locals by family and, in all honesty, this whole thing. I've met the people who Fred and Helena bashed--I've had conversations with those same people and did not find them at all the way they were portrayed by Maura's family members. For the sake of bringing closure to some, I hope someday it is learned just what her actions were all about. But...I'm disgusted with this whole thing....justifying this ones words, or that ones actions.....it just encourages people to take sides--to form camps, to be timed out in "the tent". It's useless.
Enjoy your weekend Looking. Your part of the forest is beautiful and peaceful. I drove thru Swiftwater Circle area yesterday. It's been years since I've taken some of those little side roads. Beautiful homes hidden away in the woods. SOme were not there the last time I drove thru so I was amazed how much the area had built up.
***It's useless*** Yes it is but don't give up quite yet.
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Umm, lets see. Just guessing here.
Guess#1 It's a place of business to sell things to make a living. Not an interrogation room to be questiones in front of customers.
Guess#2 Maybe people are getting tired of being questioned after 7 years of strangers knocking on their doors and asking the same questions over and over again.
Just guessing.
I'm voting for Guess#2 Esp. since at least one of these strangers has a reputation for being obnoxious, pushy, aggressive and accusatory. Poor Mr. Renner had no idea what he was walking into. He got the brunt of 7 years patience finally worn thin by certain Murray family sycophants abusing the kindness and patience of local residents. I doubt Renner asked questions in front of customers, I'm sure the others would not hesitate to do so.
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sophie bean wrote:
any thoughts about why Renner was apparently attacked at the SS?
from what I have heard Renner was very persistant when the owner did not want to talk. If the owner was unwilling to talk then Renner should have left.

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I have been going through 302 frequently, its a beautiful drive but lately has been marred by the fatalities. Getting on subject about bashing and trolls the lawyer who lost his NH law license Christopher King aka Kingcast was another with nothing more than an agenda.

This state was smeared by him which was all about his law license being revoked and Kelly Ayotte and the state were his targets. I think Fred didn't help his cause either with referring to locals as scumbags. Going to Bars and antagonizing locals looking for a name of someone to point the finger at.

Every town in every state has problem citizens, some more than others, but I find the north country to be one of the friendliest places around.

I've always felt many peoples TRUE personality comes out online as if they are careful they are incognito. Its sad to see people so deep in self destructive hate and misery, it seems to consume them.
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looking4amoose wrote:
I am going to my place in Mountain Lakes this weekend and I will feel as safe in my house there as I do in the sleepy little town that I live in full time. My neighbors in both places are treated well by me, and in turn, return the favors. Bad things happen to good people everywhere, and people choose to walk away from their life everywhere also. I have no impact on anyone but myself. I alone am responsible for my own decisions, and I alone am responsible for the way I treat other people. I am also responsible for putting myself in situations which may not turn out favorably or safely. Either way--Maura has disappeared. There is more evidence to show that she planned to get away than there is to show that she was abducted or injured or whatever. Her choice....not mine.
I'm pretty much done with the holding back of information/the misrepresenting of information/the bashing of locals by family and, in all honesty, this whole thing. I've met the people who Fred and Helena bashed--I've had conversations with those same people and did not find them at all the way they were portrayed by Maura's family members. For the sake of bringing closure to some, I hope someday it is learned just what her actions were all about. But...I'm disgusted with this whole thing....justifying this ones words, or that ones actions.....it just encourages people to take sides--to form camps, to be timed out in "the tent". It's useless.
The opinions as to where and what happened to Maura differ. But in the long run we are all seeking the same answer and that is where and what happened to Maura.
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sophie bean wrote:
any thoughts about why Renner was apparently attacked at the SS?
I'm thinking the guy may have heard that the "book writer" was on his way to NH. Maybe the officer heard that too, because they both seemed defensive, yet more likely offended, even intimidated in some way. Who knows, right? I agree with both guesses. Being a shopkeeper myself, I don't like it when certain people come into MY space, to solicit something non related and uncalled for. Phone calls are a wee bit better, because I might give them my time and attention on the phone. This can lead to a personal visit, and maybe a phone call would have been better. I do NOT know. But as a writer, If I were, I might rather go for the shock factor so I canstudy the unannounced reaction to me. Tough question, Sophie Bean, it just depends. That shop keeper is on the older side and may have felt he needed to be aggressive to make the man leave. Same goes for the officer, even though he could have made minced meat out of Renner.
But I like MR Renner. I'm not sure why exactly, except to say that he seems fair. I like that in a person. Plus, he's really banging away at this mystery and talking with alot of people who could use this as the perfect chance to be heard.
I never got the impression that WTH had any beef with Renner, except for the fact that he would not like someone coming to him like that either. Maybe it's a guy thing. Dunno...
Lastly, and as we all know, some can't get pat that he's putting together a book about Maura Murray.

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NHwoodshome wrote:
I have been going through 302 frequently, its a beautiful drive but lately has been marred by the fatalities. Getting on subject about bashing and trolls the lawyer who lost his NH law license Christopher King aka Kingcast was another with nothing more than an agenda.
This state was smeared by him which was all about his law license being revoked and Kelly Ayotte and the state were his targets. I think Fred didn't help his cause either with referring to locals as scumbags. Going to Bars and antagonizing locals looking for a name of someone to point the finger at.
Every town in every state has problem citizens, some more than others, but I find the north country to be one of the friendliest places around.
I've always felt many peoples TRUE personality comes out online as if they are careful they are incognito. Its sad to see people so deep in self destructive hate and misery, it seems to consume them.
The latest fatality on Friday was such a tragedy. His life was just beginning. And the others involved will never forget. So sad.
As far as everything else you've said I can't agree more.
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Oh yeah, I agree with both guesses, yet forgot to give my opinion about guess # 2.
This family has been through hell from the moment the calls came in, to the moments they found themselves thrown into another world. From the minute they got to NH, the site of the accident, they were frantic. They really needed more help and maybe some kind of medical attention too. This is not an insult by any means, just thinking about a couple/few times in my life where I was told this would be good for me while I cared for a loved one who was ill.~Making sure I was fit, and not lacking any nutiants. I don't know what kind of support system they had, but they did seem to miss the boat on some of their chances. There were a few good leads that led to nothing. None of them panned out as far as we know and yet so many think foul play did happen. Well, if it did, which scenerio was it?
When you get a rusty knife, etc, you might start getting paranoid. Then it might seem like everybody did it. You don't know who to trust and it shows sometimes all over your face. That's why people start running from ya, or they might just stop talking to ya.
Taking some things into their own hands was a desparate measure, but I would likely do that myself if I felt I had to.
But you have to be ready for the consequences if you're going to tresspass, etc.
I can see alot of caring peope all over the web though, all trying in whichever way to help find "Maura"
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you're prompting my thought about Topix going "poof" numerous times. one has to wonder how that was achieved. another mystery.
Guess what? I was going to write that too because my post would NOT show up for 10 minutes. And when I tried to send a post to that effect, that the threads here may be about to go poof again. But it would not post and I don't see it now either....
R-U a mindreader?
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Maybe the "TOPIX COPS" are deleting.....
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<quoted text>The opinions as to where and what happened to Maura differ. But in the long run we are all seeking the same answer and that is where and what happened to Maura.
But Citigirl, have you found anything new from what MR Renner has been reporting? Were you enlightened, suprised, or did you just want to dispel it? And, please know my heart goes out to all of you near and dear with my next question. Does anything lead any of you to think she was just fed up with her life?

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sophie bean wrote:
and why is WTF/WTH/Bill so threatened by Renner?
Is this the quote of mine that you are referring to?
What you may not be aware of is that a few people, one in particular, made this area a toxic wasteland for asking questions. She and a few others had accused people on the online forums of kidnapping, murder, hiding evidence, that the police were in collusion with the murderers, etc. This went on for years. Fred also didn’t help matters by appearing everywhere and apparently trespassing at will. I think you will find that many of the residents in that area have very hard feelings for how they were portrayed that night and online for years latter. In particular RF and BA had been vilified by these people. The local likely also feel that whatever happened to this young lady who ran away from her car, whatever happened didn’t happen in their town and are tired of the way they have been portrayed and repeatedly subjected to scrutiny about someone they don’t even believe is in their town.

You should have been around in the beginning, and for years after when some of these people were tearing the locals a new one. Every idiot with car fare to get to the area was up there asking likely the same question and making some of the same accusations. Some were trespassing. There were also the private investigators up there poking around asking question. I am sure many of the residents tolerated this for quite a while in the spirit of looking for this lost young lady. When they started to be portrayed as bumpkins and then possible murderers, not by the police, but by unnamed nitwits in cyberspace, for years, I think that may have soured some of the locals appetite for what happened and talking to anyone about it anymore. Is what he did right? Well, he does have a right to kick you off of his property. Should he have attacked you? Probably not. Is his reaction understandable? Considering how some of the locals have been portrayed, when their only “sin” was helping. Yeah, I’d say it was understandable that some are agitated about this case. If you have been following this case, you should know that there are some locals that are utterly sick of hearing about this case. Personally, if I was you. I would keep my head down, and not make my presence known. And don’t twist this into a threat from me. I am telling you what I would do if I was in that area trying to find out information about Maura knowing what others have done to make it such a toxic subject. You would only be somewhere between the twentieth or fiftieth person to be stomping around there asking the same question and in the locals minds likely going to be making the same accusations.
Again, SB, sometimes I don't know what you are trying to say. How does what I have written point to me being threatened by Renner? Which is absurd by the way.

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<quoted text>Guess what? I was going to write that too because my post would NOT show up for 10 minutes. And when I tried to send a post to that effect, that the threads here may be about to go poof again. But it would not post and I don't see it now either....
R-U a mindreader?
nah, no superpowers here.
but...if the game has been to prevent individuals from advancing certain theories or providing info about MM, and if the history of excluding individuals from commenting on forums comes from Maura's family representative(s), then i'd say the family has had the best shot at appealing to Topix to delete certain posts and threads.
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Hi, I'm clueless on a lotta stuff, you can be sure of that. But I just hate it when you do that. Guessing I must have hit a nerve or insulted somebody. My thinking is just all over the board is all. I'll try not to be offensive when I'm jumping around on here.
That's ok, Linda. People will always disagree, carry on........

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